Pro LoL 2016 Championships: Underdog does not mean loser

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Luna Was Here: Mar 21, 2013; Lipstick Apathy

That quote is just depressing wow

# ? Sep 1, 2016 22:56

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# ? May 9, 2024 22:57

Luna Was Here: Mar 21, 2013; Lipstick Apathy

Luna Was Here posted:

https://twitter.com/MonteCristo/status/771392123216269312

im quoting this for the new page because this is way to fuckin good

# ? Sep 2, 2016 00:01

Libertine: Jun 21, 2004; When I die, I hope they say I made the eSports industry a better place than I made millions of dollars.

MonteCristo like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_aQupiaCSA

# ? Sep 2, 2016 00:06

KicksYouInHalf: Aug 6, 2007; National tragedy.

Is it weird that I don't seem to like any esports personalities that aren't players?

# ? Sep 2, 2016 00:53

Failboattootoot: Feb 6, 2011; Enough of this nonsense. You are an important mayor and this absurd contraption has wasted enough of your time.

KicksYouInHalf posted:

Is it weird that I don't seem to like any esports personalities that aren't players?

It's weird that someone couldn't like Doa, yes.

# ? Sep 2, 2016 01:06

Libertine: Jun 21, 2004; When I die, I hope they say I made the eSports industry a better place than I made millions of dollars.

Yeah man you sound like a jerk

# ? Sep 2, 2016 01:40

Wol: Dec 15, 2012; See you in the
UNDERDARK

By the court of Something Awful, you have been found guilty of weird

# ? Sep 2, 2016 02:00

Jenny Angel: Oct 24, 2010; Out of Control
Hard to Regulate
Anything Goes!; Lipstick Apathy

KicksYouInHalf posted:

Is it weird that I don't seem to like any esports personalities that aren't players?

Wow. This is v rich coming from someone who was friends with Slender Man

# ? Sep 2, 2016 02:04

Kashuno: Oct 9, 2012; Where the hell is my SWORD?; Grimey Drawer

I feel bad for achillios because he's good but doa is next level. I mean just listen to the man do solo casting

https://youtu.be/5Au0qlSt6JY

# ? Sep 2, 2016 02:53

KicksYouInHalf: Aug 6, 2007; National tragedy.

Failboattootoot posted:

It's weird that someone couldn't like Doa, yes.

oh nvm I forgot about Doa because I'm a grandpa and sleep through LCK

I like one esports personality

# ? Sep 2, 2016 02:59

Kashuno: Oct 9, 2012; Where the hell is my SWORD?; Grimey Drawer

Jatt tells you why the monte vs jatt question is actually just fine

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sp2jvc

# ? Sep 2, 2016 03:16

Redmark: Dec 11, 2012; This one's for you, Morph.
-Evo 2013

As someone who has gone through his fair share of bullshit interview questions all of that seems totally believable and commonplace (if bullshit).

# ? Sep 2, 2016 04:15

Chernobyl Peace Prize: May 7, 2007; Or later, later's fine.
But now would be good.

Luna Was Here posted:

im quoting this for the new page because this is way to fuckin good

in this scenario i'd imagine monte spinning in his grave

one last rotation no one else cares about

# ? Sep 2, 2016 04:22

The Lore Bear: Jan 21, 2014; I don't know what to put here. Guys? GUYS?!

Kashuno posted:

Jatt tells you why the monte vs jatt question is actually just fine

https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sp2jvc

Link is dead.

But yeah, the question is generally fine. It's bullshit, but it's not any more bullshit than most bad interview questions are. The real shitshow portion is the fact that there's a right answer when asking to pick between them, and on top of that, answering the question wrong gets people shouting. If it was an analytical question, where you compare strengths and weaknesses, etc, it would maybe even approach a good question.

# ? Sep 2, 2016 04:25

Radical: Apr 6, 2011

so is jatt sitting in on all those interviews or what

# ? Sep 2, 2016 04:51

RealFoxy: May 11, 2011; I'm not making a fucking QCS thread for this but seriously can we take a harder stance on Kiwifarms freaks like this guy, Jesus Christ seriously, you used to be better at knocking these creeps down. I guess ADTRW mods aren't responsible like GBS mods are.

Remove the s in https and it's readable.

Jatt's answer is bullshit because there's nothing wrong with the way that Monte casts, he's extremely knowledgeable and second to none and the ONLY thing I could consider a negative is that Riot's environment discourages idle banter about things that don't relate to League, which Monte does sometimes when there's downtime.

He does redeem himself by saying a better question would be "It would be different if you were asked between Deficio and Kobe" but they're both good casters without any real downsides and I'm 100% sure the question was asked out of pettiness by Riot.

RealFoxy fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Sep 2, 2016

# ? Sep 2, 2016 05:21

SSJ_naruto_2003: Oct 12, 2012

Monte/doa are the best casters. Most nalcs is yelling random words during a team fight and talking about how "xxxx team isnt out of it yet!" when they're down 10k gold and 4 dragons. I prefer the casting duo that talks about how cute Smeb is or whatever they talk about. Also Monte seems a lot more knowledgeable about the strats

# ? Sep 2, 2016 05:49

RealFoxy: May 11, 2011; I'm not making a fucking QCS thread for this but seriously can we take a harder stance on Kiwifarms freaks like this guy, Jesus Christ seriously, you used to be better at knocking these creeps down. I guess ADTRW mods aren't responsible like GBS mods are.

GreyPowerVan posted:

Monte/doa are the best casters. Most nalcs is yelling random words during a team fight and talking about how "xxxx team isnt out of it yet!" when they're down 10k gold and 4 dragons. I prefer the casting duo that talks about how cute Smeb is or whatever they talk about. Also Monte seems a lot more knowledgeable about the strats

Monte can tell when a game is over by Champion select and isn't afraid of saying a team is totally out of the game 10 minutes in. Then instead of trying to hype the match he just banters with the other caster and it's really enjoyable to listen to

# ? Sep 2, 2016 05:51

Asema: Oct 2, 2013; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

RealFoxy posted:

Monte can tell when a game is over by Champion select and isn't afraid of saying a team is totally out of the game 10 minutes in. Then instead of trying to hype the match he just banters with the other caster and it's really enjoyable to listen to

Pro Tip this is what real actual sportscasters do and I could listen to Jim Palmer talk on and on and on and on and on and on and on about loving anything baseball related.

# ? Sep 2, 2016 08:04

Luna Was Here: Mar 21, 2013; Lipstick Apathy

RealFoxy posted:

Remove the s in https and it's readable.

Jatt's answer is bullshit because there's nothing wrong with the way that Monte casts, he's extremely knowledgeable and second to none and the ONLY thing I could consider a negative is that Riot's environment discourages idle banter about things that don't relate to League, which Monte does sometimes when there's downtime.

He does redeem himself by saying a better question would be "It would be different if you were asked between Deficio and Kobe" but they're both good casters without any real downsides and I'm 100% sure the question was asked out of pettiness by Riot.

To add onto it, zirene went on reddit and said he was asked this question and a few others like it and said it was a way to see of you could offend your opinion. However he doesn't mention what those 'similar questions' were. I imagine they were something like which region is better NA or eu, which team is better coast or dig, but I guarantee you that the only casters they asked about were jatt and monte

# ? Sep 2, 2016 08:14

PlaceholderPigeon: Dec 31, 2012

RealFoxy posted:

Remove the s in https and it's readable.

Jatt's answer is bullshit because there's nothing wrong with the way that Monte casts, he's extremely knowledgeable and second to none and the ONLY thing I could consider a negative is that Riot's environment discourages idle banter about things that don't relate to League, which Monte does sometimes when there's downtime.

He does redeem himself by saying a better question would be "It would be different if you were asked between Deficio and Kobe" but they're both good casters without any real downsides and I'm 100% sure the question was asked out of pettiness by Riot.

While it's not a 'wrong' thing, Monte's casting is specialized towards an enthusiast audience, and assumes that the viewer follows the games and knows a certain amount about the pro scene. This is a deliberate approach that Monte and DoA have chosen based on the kinds of people that watch OGN. It's not a flaw, but someone could make the argument that another caster might choose to not gloss over some of the things he does, and make the info more accessible, etc.

There is a world where this "Monte's casting vs Jatt's casting" is an argument not so much about the casters themselves, but the styles and approaches that they represent. So it's possible that the question was meant a different context than "is Monte a better caster than Jatt". But Riot has been pretty stubborn so I'm not going to stake a claim on it. Especially not if they're going to only allow one answer.

Also just because Monte really looks good in comparison to the rest of the casting field I don't think he should be given a free pass on everything. He's still smug as hell and has his own biases (like his hate-on for China). It's a credit to him that it doesn't come into his casts so much (more his SI/talk outside of game).

# ? Sep 2, 2016 09:05

Luna Was Here: Mar 21, 2013; Lipstick Apathy

PlaceholderPigeon posted:

While it's not a 'wrong' thing, Monte's casting is specialized towards an enthusiast audience, and assumes that the viewer follows the games and knows a certain amount about the pro scene. This is a deliberate approach that Monte and DoA have chosen based on the kinds of people that watch OGN. It's not a flaw, but someone could make the argument that another caster might choose to not gloss over some of the things he does, and make the info more accessible, etc.

There is a world where this "Monte's casting vs Jatt's casting" is an argument not so much about the casters themselves, but the styles and approaches that they represent. So it's possible that the question was meant a different context than "is Monte a better caster than Jatt". But Riot has been pretty stubborn so I'm not going to stake a claim on it. Especially not if they're going to only allow one answer.

It possible but I still doubt it. If it were really a question of two different styles, why specifically Monte, and why tell people they're wrong if they choose Monte? Jatt and Zirene said there wasn't anything malicious to it but I would seriously doubt most of the stuff that comes out of Riot officially at this point as I refuse to believe there isn't at least one person at Riot who has taken all of their social media logins and told them to gently caress off for the week.

# ? Sep 2, 2016 10:19

PlaceholderPigeon: Dec 31, 2012

For anyone who's interested there's an English cast of the LMS regional qualifiers going on shortly. Will be AHQ vs Hong Kong Esports.

Luna Was Here posted:

It possible but I still doubt it. If it were really a question of two different styles, why specifically Monte, and why tell people they're wrong if they choose Monte? Jatt and Zirene said there wasn't anything malicious to it but I would seriously doubt most of the stuff that comes out of Riot officially at this point as I refuse to believe there isn't at least one person at Riot who has taken all of their social media logins and told them to gently caress off for the week.

Yeah, even though the context could be looked in a more favourable way, all the other dumb and petty poo poo Riot's esports division has done regarding Monte has me agreeing with you. The disagreement and telling people they're wrong looks extra bad that way.

# ? Sep 2, 2016 10:34

SSJ_naruto_2003: Oct 12, 2012

Reminder that no matter how bad the league casters are at least they aren't dota 2's largest caster, Tobi "have you ever heard the phrase lamer than a friend of the family's baby" wan

This really has nothing to do with the conversation but the caster talk made me think of it and I laugh every time.

# ? Sep 2, 2016 10:50

Freaksaus: Jun 13, 2007; Grimey Drawer

PlaceholderPigeon posted:

While it's not a 'wrong' thing, Monte's casting is specialized towards an enthusiast audience, and assumes that the viewer follows the games and knows a certain amount about the pro scene. This is a deliberate approach that Monte and DoA have chosen based on the kinds of people that watch OGN. It's not a flaw, but someone could make the argument that another caster might choose to not gloss over some of the things he does, and make the info more accessible, etc.

This is why I've really enjoyed all of the second streams they've done so far. There is basically no play by play and it's just some pros and a riot caster either going very in depth about some matchup or mechanic, or just shooting the poo poo.

# ? Sep 2, 2016 11:30

Savage Cracker: Jul 21, 2010

GreyPowerVan posted:

Reminder that no matter how bad the league casters are at least they aren't dota 2's largest caster, Tobi "have you ever heard the phrase lamer than a friend of the family's baby" wan

This really has nothing to do with the conversation but the caster talk made me think of it and I laugh every time.

I don't know who that is but is he worse than racist pedophile krug killing krepo ?

Savage Cracker fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Sep 2, 2016

# ? Sep 2, 2016 11:31

SSJ_naruto_2003: Oct 12, 2012

He unironically said the quotes phrase, Idk

And if I remember correctly he never really apologized, it was more of a "sorry you're offended" thing.

# ? Sep 2, 2016 11:52

rabidsquid: Oct 11, 2004; LOVES THE KOG

montecristo would be a lot better caster if his biases didn't get in the way of his analysis

# ? Sep 2, 2016 12:26

Kashuno: Oct 9, 2012; Where the hell is my SWORD?; Grimey Drawer

I love monte's casting but I am all good hearing him sarcastically say "wow standard lanes so exciting" all the time

# ? Sep 2, 2016 12:29

Sexpansion: Mar 22, 2003; DELETED

GreyPowerVan posted:

Reminder that no matter how bad the league casters are at least they aren't dota 2's largest caster, Tobi "have you ever heard the phrase lamer than a friend of the family's baby" wan

This really has nothing to do with the conversation but the caster talk made me think of it and I laugh every time.

As someone who basically only watches the International and a smattering of other tourneys, I agree.

# ? Sep 2, 2016 13:14

rabidsquid: Oct 11, 2004; LOVES THE KOG

Kashuno posted:

I love monte's casting but I am all good hearing him sarcastically say "wow standard lanes so exciting" all the time

standard lanes remove picks from the meta :argh:

so do lane swaps

# ? Sep 2, 2016 13:26

general anime: Jan 8, 2013; by Lowtax

no ive never heard that phrase before

# ? Sep 2, 2016 13:27

Servaetes: Sep 10, 2003; False enemy or true friend?

Was Toby the guy that hysterically screamed all the time about whatever was going on in a dota game because that poo poo was unwatchable

# ? Sep 2, 2016 13:37

Kibner: Oct 21, 2008; Acguy Supremacy

Servaetes posted:

Was Toby the guy that hysterically screamed all the time about whatever was going on in a dota game because that poo poo was unwatchable

Yes. Also, goes on tangents how a couple of the champs in the game are his waifus.

# ? Sep 2, 2016 13:45

The Mash: Feb 17, 2007; You have to say I can open my presents

Montecristo is a good in-game analyst/caster and a bad everything else, including team owner, esports environment analyst and human being.

# ? Sep 2, 2016 13:49

Kashuno: Oct 9, 2012; Where the hell is my SWORD?; Grimey Drawer

More reason DoA/Monte casting combo is the best combo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI2JMQB2HZo

# ? Sep 2, 2016 14:14

Schnorkles: Apr 30, 2015; It's a little bit juvenile, but it's simple and it's timeless.

We let it be known that Schnorkles, for a snack, eats tiny pieces of shit.

You're picturing it and you're talking about it. That's a win in my book.