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Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer

SRM posted:

This is another one of those models I'd been eyeing for a long, long time, but after seeing a bunch in the flesh (well, resin) I had to pick one up! Here's my Sicaran Battle tank:

This is awesome. I'm getting real jealous of your transfer sheet. You even get to cheat at checker patterns. :argh:

How was the build on the Sicaran? I just ordered one a few days ago along with some characters and bits to get some use out of the lowered shipping threshold. I've heard it used to be quite difficult, but that they've redone the molds since then to make it easier.

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Drake_263
Mar 31, 2010
The new redone molds are very simple to put together - the main lower hull is literally six pieces to put together, plus greebling like the engine exhausts and the heavy bolter. The old one, I'm told, was a pain in the rear end since the side blocks and the treads were separate pieces, and the treads never fit. Now the treads are integrated with the side blocks, which makes putting the tank together really fast - albeit if you want to use those kickass Blood and Skull Industries alternate tread sets you'll have to dremel the old treads off.

Lord Twisted
Apr 3, 2010

In the Emperor's name, let none survive.
I'm reading some HH books - just finished Prospero Burns and now I'm on the Outcast Dead.

I'm getting quite loving sick of endless dream sequences with trippy symbolism. Is this a constant theme in this series? FROST CAVES AND ENDLESS DESERTS etc.

JackMack
Nov 3, 2007
it is crap. It does keep continuing.i think the black library authors are quite limited in their own skill and scope. I have read most of them and so many are completely unmemorable. I largely read them now as they are non taxing for late night send-me-off-to sleep.

It was interesting to hear the limitations that BL editors place on the authors in the IC podcast on the subject, I actually want to hear about the human beings and their lives rather than endless space marines bickering. It is interesting that they insist books are about battles.

I will continue to read Abnett and Dempski Bowden and famous battle (hopefully written by the first two). A lot of the other authors have some nice ideas but are hamstrung by battles and creating conflict between ultimately bland superhumans . I also think the imperium as basically a fascist xenophobic(literally) regime is completely glossed over and this is concerning when you think about it. I do think Alan Bligh's work is loving genius and I will likely buy all the big HH tomes for that reason (in the next four decades as I am crawling through the first when I can still.

JackMack fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Sep 3, 2016

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you
Skip everything outside of the FW books that's not Abnett, ADB or Chris Wraight.

Seriously, read the White Scars books if you haven't yet.

Lord Twisted
Apr 3, 2010

In the Emperor's name, let none survive.
I think I will do. Honestly this one seems to have interesting tidbits of Magnus thrown amongst absolutely boring shite about some dude rediscovering himself.

Any ones which are good for Word Bearers? I've read Battle of the Abyss which was OK. I just want to get hard for WB and Salamanders basically as thats what I play.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
First Heretic. By our lord and saviour, ADB. then go read know no fear.

Salamanders are Vulkan Lives and Deathfire.

The Sisko
Jan 9, 2009

"Whenever there's injustice, wrongs to be righted, innocents to be defended, The Sisko will be there, delivering ass-whooppings."

Lord Twisted posted:

I think I will do. Honestly this one seems to have interesting tidbits of Magnus thrown amongst absolutely boring shite about some dude rediscovering himself.

Any ones which are good for Word Bearers? I've read Battle of the Abyss which was OK. I just want to get hard for WB and Salamanders basically as thats what I play.

Aurelian by ADB is pretty cool IMO. First Heretic and Betrayal at Calth are also pretty good , though the latter has a fair bit of bolter porn. Betrayer also has some great Word Bearers bits.

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER
I don't know if this is the right place, but does anyone have the pictures of the Alpha Legion painted up with the hyras positioned so it looks like the Ultramarine symbol? Cuz that poo poo was sick as hell and I want to look at it again.

SRM
Jul 10, 2009

~*FeElIn' AweS0mE*~

Safety Factor posted:

This is awesome. I'm getting real jealous of your transfer sheet. You even get to cheat at checker patterns. :argh:

How was the build on the Sicaran? I just ordered one a few days ago along with some characters and bits to get some use out of the lowered shipping threshold. I've heard it used to be quite difficult, but that they've redone the molds since then to make it easier.

Thanks man! The transfer sheets are godsends and I recommend them to anyone. The assembly was fine, there was a little tab inside the hull that was a problem so I snipped it and it was all good.

Also First Heretic, Know No Fear, then Bettayer is the best trilogy of books in the Heresy line, ans you get to bounce between ADB and Abnett.

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you

Lord Twisted posted:

Any ones which are good for Word Bearers? I've read Battle of the Abyss which was OK. I just want to get hard for WB and Salamanders basically as thats what I play.

Abyss is the absolute nadir of the whole series and is utterly dreadful. Read First Heretic, Know No Fear and Betrayer for some hot Word Bearers action and accept Argel Tal and Kharn into your heart(s).

Mango Polo
Aug 4, 2007

adamantium|wang posted:

accept Argel Tal and Kharn into your heart(s).

But not too much because that road leads to misery.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
I listened to Know No Fear a while ago and the structure and delivery was excellent, but it turned into bolter porn a few times. The WBs were cartoonishly evil, which was probably my biggest pet peeve. It was also really rushed at the end.

Drake_263 posted:

The new redone molds are very simple to put together - the main lower hull is literally six pieces to put together, plus greebling like the engine exhausts and the heavy bolter. The old one, I'm told, was a pain in the rear end since the side blocks and the treads were separate pieces, and the treads never fit. Now the treads are integrated with the side blocks, which makes putting the tank together really fast - albeit if you want to use those kickass Blood and Skull Industries alternate tread sets you'll have to dremel the old treads off.

The sicaran has always had molded on treds. You're thinking the spartan, which I heard was a bitch to work with until they integrated the treds. The new sicaran kit is better, but you still have the issue with how the armoured plates come together. Basically if anything is warped or miscast your hull will be cattywampus with gaps. It sucks, but it's pretty typical with resin models unfortunately.

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer

BULBASAUR posted:

The sicaran has always had molded on treds. You're thinking the spartan, which I heard was a bitch to work with until they integrated the treds. The new sicaran kit is better, but you still have the issue with how the armoured plates come together. Basically if anything is warped or miscast your hull will be cattywampus with gaps. It sucks, but it's pretty typical with resin models unfortunately.
Can't be worse than the Fire Raptor. :shepface:

Lord Twisted
Apr 3, 2010

In the Emperor's name, let none survive.
Thanks guys!!

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
I finally figured out why I've been burned out on 40k and hamming in general. It's people who think that it's my job to build an army they can win against. People who want to control what I am allowed to put in my army, and then whine and bitch when I still beat them because I have a better army.

People who think that army building is all about just going online and looking at the latest FOTM army list.

Idiots who demand that everyone play the game the way that they want to play, and berate and belittle anyone who actually wants to win in a warhammer game.

I hate those loving people. And they are loving everywhere. I thought I could get away from them by switching to 30k. But no. Now they have infested the danish 30k scene with stupid loving rules like no allies, or other arbitrary restrictions like no fliers.

:negative:

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you
Wait, why the gently caress would they do that? Each of the Rites has enough restrictions on their own so if you want some goodies you're giving up access to others.

Lord Twisted
Apr 3, 2010

In the Emperor's name, let none survive.
Eh tbh the only restriction I can see which is valid in 30k is no primarchs at 1500/2000. Otherwise any halfway decent list can tackle a super heavy at 2000 or some sort of spam at 1500. The missions are balanced enough.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
LOWs only open up at 2000 points I thought? Unless you're talking about the super friends FOC, then yeah, screw that.

DJ Dizzy posted:

I finally figured out why I've been burned out on 40k and hamming in general. It's people who think that it's my job to build an army they can win against. People who want to control what I am allowed to put in my army, and then whine and bitch when I still beat them because I have a better army.

People who think that army building is all about just going online and looking at the latest FOTM army list.

Idiots who demand that everyone play the game the way that they want to play, and berate and belittle anyone who actually wants to win in a warhammer game.

I hate those loving people. And they are loving everywhere. I thought I could get away from them by switching to 30k. But no. Now they have infested the danish 30k scene with stupid loving rules like no allies, or other arbitrary restrictions like no fliers.

:negative:

I'll be in Copenhagen / Malmö starting tomorrow for at least a few weeks. Maybe we can grab a beer? We're both bitter Iron Warriors players so it should be extra bitter. If you aren't listening to the Eye of Horus podcast, check their most recent episode:
https://soundcloud.com/eye-of-horus-podcast/episode-72-running-an-event

They ran an event recently and it's probably best described as garage ham scaled up to ~30 dudes. No awards for winning. Just awards for coolest dude, best painted, lots of alcohol, and a crazy scoreboard system. They had DMed tables, ZM games influencing other tables, and a bunch of 2nd edition shenanigans thrown in that made the event unpredictable and an opt-in experience for everyone who attended. I think this is the direction 30k is headed at least in Australia and the West Coast USA. It makes me want to run a similar event. Sweden/Denmark has a powerful 30k scene too, but if fantasy is anything to go buy Northern Europe has always more competitive than friendly.

I'm sorry you don't have a bunch of assholes to play with like Hixson, Panascope, and Sisko. Having cool dudes that DGAF and just want to slam is really key to enjoyment to this hobby IMO. Instead of restricting people we ere on the side of buffing poo poo so people just take more of what they want. I think the only thing I'd ever hesitate to play against would be a primary knight detachment unless I knew ahead of time (so I could ally with Panascope and his Warhound titan, so he could lay down a proper ownage)

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you

Hencoe
Sep 4, 2012

MY LIFE GOAL IS TO STICK A FLESHLIGHT INTO THE END OF A HOWITZER AND FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF IT

BULBASAUR posted:


I'm sorry you don't have a bunch of assholes to play with like Hixson, Panascope, and Sisko. Having cool dudes that DGAF and just want to slam is really key to enjoyment to this hobby IMO. Instead of restricting people we ere on the side of buffing poo poo so people just take more of what they want. I think the only thing I'd ever hesitate to play against would be a primary knight detachment unless I knew ahead of time (so I could ally with Panascope and his Warhound titan, so he could lay down a proper ownage)

This, up here almost every single staple 30k player is a veteran 40k player and is doing it entirely because it's stupid fun to slam 30k, the only unspoken rule has been just don't rock primarchs in small games because it's usually not fun.

Every single one of them has had more fun doing this than the past couple of years of 40k and it's awesome. We are putting together a massive showcase battle with fully painted armies at an upcoming convention here and I'm hoping to pull more people into the Heresy with it.

DrPop
Aug 22, 2004



So... definitely Ahriman then?

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Or generic TS sorcerer. But definitely 30k prospero.

SRM
Jul 10, 2009

~*FeElIn' AweS0mE*~
The 30k stuff at NOVA has been insane; the level of armies and terrain is so much higher quality than the 40k stuff. I'm definitely bringing my Heresy Ultras next year; apparently a lot of the cool dudes from the narrative groups have gone over to the Heresy events instead.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
Thats because heresy is for cool dudes.

PantsOptional
Dec 27, 2012

All I wanna do is make you bounce

DrPop posted:

So... definitely Ahriman then?

That's never been a doubt. It's a dead ringer for the illustrations of him.

Drake_263
Mar 31, 2010

DJ Dizzy posted:

I finally figured out why I've been burned out on 40k and hamming in general. It's people who think that it's my job to build an army they can win against. People who want to control what I am allowed to put in my army, and then whine and bitch when I still beat them because I have a better army.

People who think that army building is all about just going online and looking at the latest FOTM army list.

Idiots who demand that everyone play the game the way that they want to play, and berate and belittle anyone who actually wants to win in a warhammer game.

I hate those loving people. And they are loving everywhere. I thought I could get away from them by switching to 30k. But no. Now they have infested the danish 30k scene with stupid loving rules like no allies, or other arbitrary restrictions like no fliers.

:negative:

This is like, the tabletop equivalent of FOX ONLY, NO ITEMS, FINAL DESTINATION.

adamantium|wang
Sep 14, 2003

Missing you
gently caress it, these guys are pretty much done.



BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
gently caress yeah

Lord Twisted
Apr 3, 2010

In the Emperor's name, let none survive.
Well I know what I'm doing today... the Last Knights of Colchis have had their demonic allies bolstered! Fiancee did a superb job for the ol' birthday.

JackMack
Nov 3, 2007

Lord Twisted posted:

Well I know what I'm doing today... the Last Knights of Colchis have had their demonic allies bolstered! Fiancee did a superb job for the ol' birthday.



Happy birthday! Engagement ring earns one many brownie points!

GreenMarine
Apr 25, 2009

Switchblade Switcharoo
Yeah! Those warhounds are much cooler than Khornedogs.

Lord Twisted
Apr 3, 2010

In the Emperor's name, let none survive.
The kit has held up well, but holy hell the gaps!!! Shouldn't be too tricky to sort out with some liquid greenstuff.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Mango Polo posted:

Holy poo poo



New exclusive mdoel for FW Open Day, a Librarian.

Krushgroove, i need you.

I'm making my way through 2,000+ posts I've missed and I had to stop 30 pages from the end to say I've never been more upset at missing out on a model.

Mango Polo
Aug 4, 2007

ijyt posted:

I'm making my way through 2,000+ posts I've missed and I had to stop 30 pages from the end to say I've never been more upset at missing out on a model.

China got you covered. Or you still have a couple of events this year where you could nab one, I think.

DJ Dizzy
Feb 11, 2009

Real men don't use bolters.
:china: truly the saviour of hams everywhere.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

It's not like I already have enough models to paint across like, 4 game systems. Haha. :smith:

Having said that this threads got me in the mood, and it helps that the weathers cooling down so I don't feel like dying next to my nuclear reactor of a lamp. When did Betrayal at Calth come out? It took me this long to finally decide what Legion to paint.

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer

ijyt posted:

It's not like I already have enough models to paint across like, 4 game systems. Haha. :smith:

Having said that this threads got me in the mood, and it helps that the weathers cooling down so I don't feel like dying next to my nuclear reactor of a lamp. When did Betrayal at Calth come out? It took me this long to finally decide what Legion to paint.
Who're you going with? :allears:

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Safety Factor posted:

Who're you going with? :allears:

Well, I thought if it's Horus Heresy I'll be playing might as well go with the big shitters who started it so Word Bearers - and if they die on the table then gently caress it, they deserve it. I've got a scheme in mind that should be quick to paint and actually look decent so I might finish an actual army for once!

If they ever release a Mk III box set throw in some Death Guard or Iron Hands too.

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Drake_263
Mar 31, 2010
I've been hearing rumors that there's an upcoming 'Burning of Prospero' type 30K set with MKIII Marines and maybe plastic Tartaros terminators. So far the only 'real'thing we've seen is what appears to be a plastic Ahriman sprue, with the dude standing on a thoroughly mauled Space Wolf MKIII Legionnaire.

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