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Riso posted:Historians have come around on quite a few things, saying they were good ideas at the time. Ah yeah, the ever elusive "historians", one of the great sayer tribes. Some thought they had been lost to time, or that they were pure fiction, like the expert sayers and the studies sayers, but in my heart I know they are real.
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ThaumPenguin posted:Ah yeah, the ever elusive "historians", one of the great sayer tribes. We appreciate it thx
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ThaumPenguin posted:Ah yeah, the ever elusive "historians", one of the great sayer tribes. The no retreat order in 1941/1942 is the most famous example. First heavily criticised but turns out it was the only way to save the army as fighting force and retain gains made.
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Riso posted:Historians have come around on quite a few things, saying they were good ideas at the time. David Irving is not a historian.
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Funky Valentine posted:David Irving is not a historian. I was thinking about Michael Jones but please do keep listing your favourite writers.
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I decided the sale was a good time to get back up to date with CK2 so I clicked down the list thinking all the DLC was really cheap and then hit checkout and holy poo poo it was more than I paid for the game when new nope nope nope sorry I'm out.
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Alchenar posted:I decided the sale was a good time to get back up to date with CK2 so I clicked down the list thinking all the DLC was really cheap and then hit checkout and holy poo poo it was more than I paid for the game when new nope nope nope sorry I'm out. Skip all the cosmetic and music DLC if you're worried about price, they are entirely optional. I'd say all the major DLC's are definitely worth it with special mention for Way of Life, Reapers Due and Old Gods. Sons of Abraham, Conclave and Legacy of Rome all bring good poo poo with them though and I wouldn't skip them. Horse Lords, Republics, India and Sword of Islam are optional and only really worth getting if you want to trying playing any of those ruler types.
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Legacy of Rome is core DLC now? All I remember that bringing in was event packs for Byzantium. What made it good?
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YouTuber posted:Legacy of Rome is core DLC now? All I remember that bringing in was event packs for Byzantium. What made it good? Isn't that the retinues one?
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Huh, is Paradox just not doing 75%+ off sales anymore? Even Sword of Islam and Conquest of Paradise are just 66% off and I think it's been this way for the past few sales.
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The only DLC I skipped on was Charlemagne. Or does that add anything besides an early starting date?
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Viceroyalties, Custom Kingdoms and Empires, Chronicles, Zuni religion features (playable with The Old Gods or Charlemagne but some of their extra stuff is paywalled) and as always a wide array of events. Don't remember if seasons were free patch or DLC.
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Jeoh posted:The only DLC I skipped on was Charlemagne. Or does that add anything besides an early starting date? charlemagne gets a bunch of events
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YouTuber posted:Legacy of Rome is core DLC now? All I remember that bringing in was event packs for Byzantium. What made it good? It's always been core because: LordPants posted:Isn't that the retinues one? You could argue it is less so now since they got toned down a lot, but they are still pretty handy I think. The wiki is good for listing DLC features: http://www.ckiiwiki.com/Downloadable_content#Expansions Groogy posted:Don't remember if seasons were free patch or DLC. Free patch.
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corn in the bible posted:charlemagne gets a bunch of events hell yeah gonna buy it
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Charlemange also lets you play as Ragnarr Lodbrok, if playing as almost certainly fictional people is your thing. Although come to think of it, almost every non-major ruler even in the 1066 start is more or less fictional.
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I'm going to introduce a friend to CK2 or EU4 in multi sometime soon. I know EU4 a bit better, so I can handle that, but is (original starting date) Ireland still a good "starting area" in CK2? I think they changed it a bit? I was thinking either doing that, or making him a vassal under me in a larger nation so he can kind of sandbox and I can intervene to protect him if things start going south.
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Larry Parrish posted:Charlemange also lets you play as Ragnarr Lodbrok, if playing as almost certainly fictional people is your thing.
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If you watched and liked the Vikings series, playing Ragnar in CK2 is almost mandatory
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"Mythic History" is a good term for it; they probably did exist, did real things and had real consequences, but whether they wrestled ghosts, hid Byzantine treasure behind waterfalls or simply were relatively dull people is impossible to say~ think of it the same way you do the romance of the three kingdoms, really
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Deceitful Penguin posted:"Mythic History" is a good term for it; they probably did exist, did real things and had real consequences, but whether they wrestled ghosts, hid Byzantine treasure behind waterfalls or simply were relatively dull people is impossible to say~ I think the trouble is that when you go back far enough it's hard to tell the difference between someone who might have been real but whose accomplishments were embellished to the point of myth, or someone entirely fictional, since in both cases they often treated them as about equally "real". Like compare Ragnarr to King Arthur.
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Got me thinking: is there any other game where you can play Ragnar Lotbrok?
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https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/looks-like-the-game-is-dying.965251/ Wrap it up 4ailures, HoI is dead. RIP.
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/looks-like-the-game-is-dying.965251/ wow. I did nazi that coming...
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corn in the bible posted:wow. I did nazi that coming... I cannot believe what I am heering
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Not even the modders can save this one for you, Podcat. How does it feel to see the accumulated filth of all your AI and design foam up about your waist and all the devs and QAs look up and shout "Save us!"... and they'll whisper "no." ?
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/looks-like-the-game-is-dying.965251/ Rollback to 2 year old version of the game and build nothing except airplanes.
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Slime Bro Helpdesk posted:https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/looks-like-the-game-is-dying.965251/ quote:No man´s sky and Hearts of Iron IV are really making me thinking about searching for new hobbys, as my trust in the game industry is going really low. I think, for people who take gaming this seriously, that might be the best idea
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I suspect HoI4 is doing just fine. Although, IMHO, you can only refight WW2 so many times, and it doesn't play to Paradox's strengths. Hearts of Iron should be 1901 - 2001 and the victory condition should be the last remaining super power of your chosen ideology Democratic/Fascist/Communist without triggering a game over nuclear war. With a stronger focus on economy and population/political movements than military conflict. 
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Famethrowa posted:I think, for people who take gaming this seriously, that might be the best idea Wait how is he mad at HOI4? You can not like it but it's basically exactly what they said it was.
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Fintilgin posted:I suspect HoI4 is doing just fine. Although, IMHO, you can only refight WW2 so many times, and it doesn't play to Paradox's strengths. Incorrect, HoI should be 1918-2050 and the victory condition should be the last remaining superpower of your chosen ideology Democratic/Fascist/Communist/Transhumanist/Human Preservation, and have a robust system for nuclear war, depopulation, wasteland, and rebuilding from the ashes. With a stronger focus on economy and population/political movements than military conflict.
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Mister Adequate posted:Incorrect, HoI should be 1918-2050 and the victory condition should be the last remaining superpower of your chosen ideology Democratic/Fascist/Communist/Transhumanist/Human Preservation, and have a robust system for nuclear war, depopulation, wasteland, and rebuilding from the ashes. With a stronger focus on economy and population/political movements than military conflict. And the other cultures you encounter should be procedurally generated.
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Fintilgin posted:I suspect HoI4 is doing just fine. Although, IMHO, you can only refight WW2 so many times, and it doesn't play to Paradox's strengths. So basically Victoria: Modern Age. I would play that.
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The Narrator posted:And the other cultures you encounter should be procedurally generated. A Paradox postapocalyptic 4X Grand Strategy game with procedurally generated factions filling out a semi-randomly generated wasteland Earth would be insanely my poo poo. Like After the End crossed with Stellaris.
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