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Roland Jones posted:So I've been playing 769 Tabriz, and... So far it's actually not so bad? You start off as bigger than most other people in the Abbasid empire, so just target the nearby small ones one at a time (I took Esfahan early because I want it to be my eventual capital and sink points into it from early on, though due to weirdness I got beat to upgrading its trading post, which is disappointing) and slowly expand through forged claims and de jure claims and such. The tech requirement combined with the AI's love for moving its capital around keeps your liege from getting to Religious Revocation for a while, so you just need to make sure you always have more troops than your targets. I haven't played Karen since Old Gods but at least then you succeed or fail catastrophically very early in the game. Here you fail a few generations in when a caliph that hates you and has religious title revocation gets power. At least that was how my first try ended.
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Also I've lost my first game due to lack of dynastic heir in ages. Started with sigudr the Ring and the third generation just died on me. Only murdered one of the brats myself. I think tribals are pretty brutal now, without hospital recruit court physician.
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Silk Road posts are a nice bonus but not really worth going out of your way for unless you can get like five consecutive ones. They use the same Trade Zone scaling as republics so if you only have one or two disconnected posts, they're worth less than a vassal city.
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Sep 6, 2016 09:51
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DarkCrawler posted:
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Various Meat Products posted:Silk Road posts are a nice bonus but not really worth going out of your way for unless you can get like five consecutive ones. They use the same Trade Zone scaling as republics so if you only have one or two disconnected posts, they're worth less than a vassal city. They're great if you can get a max upgraded one in your capital, though. Upgrading Silk Road posts is kind of a pain though since if someone else nearby has built an upgrade then it just locks you out. Worse if they're in your realm since then you can't even raid them to burn it down.
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Sep 6, 2016 14:28
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The Cheshire Cat posted:They're great if you can get a max upgraded one in your capital, though. Upgrading Silk Road posts is kind of a pain though since if someone else nearby has built an upgrade then it just locks you out. Worse if they're in your realm since then you can't even raid them to burn it down. Yeah, someone beating me to upgrading one in range of my capital in my current Tabriz game is disappointing. If I wind up trying this again I'm going straight for Esfahan instead of trying to get the land between me and it first; I didn't realize I could go directly for it despite the lack of adjacency. If I can get it early enough I can probably get it maxed, since the AI probably(?) won't rush Trade Practices to be able to upgrade theirs before I can mine. Hopefully, at least. Anyway, man. My Karen war attempts have been frustrating because sometimes my lost battles utterly baffle me. The times I'm losing when there are no terrain/river/whatever bonuses involved, I have more units, and/or my opponents already have significant morale damage, among other factors, leave me at a complete loss as to what on earth I could be doing to make this work out. Are my levy compositions complete poo poo? Am I just really unlucky? I have no idea.
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Today's DD: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/ck2-dev-diary-21-quarantining-the-bugs.967369/
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Sep 6, 2016 15:00
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Darkrenown posted:Today's DD: I am the 5-10%. (Not that I wouldn't enjoy hearing Groogy get gruesomely killed, you understand, I just always play with the sound off.)
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Sep 6, 2016 15:11
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If I could turn off the background sounds like that annoying clanging in the tech tab or the background murmur when looking at anything to do with court and just keep the death screams, I would be a happy murderer.
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Dareon posted:If I could turn off the background sounds like that annoying clanging in the tech tab or the background murmur when looking at anything to do with court and just keep the death screams, I would be a happy murderer. Same. If I'm playing with headphones I have to mute the game, or those sounds are physically painful they're so loud.
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ShootaBoy posted:Same. If I'm playing with headphones I have to mute the game, or those sounds are physically painful they're so loud. Dareon posted:If I could turn off the background sounds like that annoying clanging in the tech tab or the background murmur when looking at anything to do with court and just keep the death screams, I would be a happy murderer. The ambient volume is a separate slider
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Jedit posted:I am the 5-10%. Same, I always have the music and sound disabled. For that guy that was talking about an Icelandic republic, did you convert to Catholic, or did you conquer enough of Scandinavia to reform the faith?
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Rumda posted:The ambient volume is a separate slider
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Sep 6, 2016 17:00
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Oh look, they're fixing the tortured prisoner bit. Let's see how much torture we can rack up on a single guy.
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You can do a quick and dirty mod to remove sound effects by going into \Program Files (x86)\Crusader Kings II\sound\ and replacing the ones you don't like with blank files. My game is so much better without the noise from the Council and Tech tabs (council_view_01.wav and techview2.wav).
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Darkrenown posted:Today's DD: Oh man, finally I'll be able to completely disable titles changing names.
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ShootaBoy posted:Same. If I'm playing with headphones I have to mute the game, or those sounds are physically painful they're so loud. Someone in the audio department at Paradox should know about the Fletcher-Munson curve and adjust accordingly  (Groogy, please give me an industry job  I miss working with audio in a 9-5 capacity so much).
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genericnick posted:Also I've lost my first game due to lack of dynastic heir in ages. Started with sigudr the Ring and the third generation just died on me. Only murdered one of the brats myself. I think tribals are pretty brutal now, without hospital recruit court physician. You can still appoint a court physician, remember, just find or invite a high learning guy. Also, someone complained about something to do with immortals a few pages back which I thought I should fix, but I cannot find it now. It wasn't losing Berserker, something else. Also also, yeah, horse culture will convert to EU4. I'll do a DD about converter updates in a week or two. Finally, I am also several of the death screams. I think crushing, falling, snake pits, tiger, and bear. I'll look up the exact list tomorrow 
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Darkrenown posted:Also, someone complained about something to do with immortals a few pages back which I thought I should fix, but I cannot find it now. It wasn't losing Berserker, something else. Was it inability to change inheritance law more than once?
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One of the problems with an immortal character is a UI problem with their kids. You live long enough and you eventually get so many kids that they start overlapping so much that you can't really select anyone but the youngest kid easily. But I think someone mentioned having an event giving the option of suicide after seeing so many generations pass. Maybe that's what you were thinking of?
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SeaTard posted:For that guy that was talking about an Icelandic republic, did you convert to Catholic, or did you conquer enough of Scandinavia to reform the faith? Though Catholic is weak; I much prefer to go either Shiite or Ibadi after getting sayyid in the family, so you can be the merchant republic caliphate of Iceland
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Chickpea Roar posted:Was it inability to change inheritance law more than once? Or moving capitals?
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^^^ Capitals, yeah! I guess subjugations too. Any other once per life things while we're here?Chickpea Roar posted:Was it inability to change inheritance law more than once? No, but that is a good point. TheCIASentMe posted:One of the problems with an immortal character is a UI problem with their kids. You live long enough and you eventually get so many kids that they start overlapping so much that you can't really select anyone but the youngest kid easily. Kid UI is a good point too. Suicide is already in 
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Apropos subjugations, have the rules been changed since the last time I played? I remember having the ability to take the become king ambition, subjugating a bunch of rulers in that kingdom, and still having my once per ruler subjugation available. Now it seems you have to use it before you start subjugating your kingdom if you want to min-max it.
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I may have found a bug: my ruler had the Carousing focus, then I changed to Stewardship focus. But she kept receiving the carousing focus events and never got but 1 stewardship event (that one about building a castle, which unfortuntely I had to decline) I roleplayed it out in my head saying that, since she was "the Merry", she she coulndt help herself to just keep partying for the rest of her life
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Elias_Maluco posted:I may have found a bug: my ruler had the Carousing focus, then I changed to Stewardship focus. But she kept receiving the carousing focus events and never got but 1 stewardship event (that one about building a castle, which unfortuntely I had to decline)
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Strudel Man posted:The events she was receiving would have been from vassals with the carousing focus, since carousing is a focus that's entirely active - you have to invite somebody else to your party. Yeah, I think was that. The chancelor who kept inviting her to party (and who was her friend) had the carousing focus himself Chickpea Roar posted:Stewardship focus events seem to be very rare, too. And this too. She got 1 event in like 20 years. I remember they used to be quite common, even annoyingly common (this is my first game since before conclave). Maybe they decided to tone it down and exaggerated it a bit
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Converting to non-Pagan is way, way simpler, because usually you want to stay in Iceland to be out of the way. I don't remember which of the loopholes for converting back they've left in though; I think maybe liege converting still best? Raiding Spain for Sayyid is a good idea, I hadn't thought about going that route. I currently own Island, the Orkneys, and Naumadal (because I was thinking about reforming the faith). The other 4 holy sites are owned 2 and 2 by Francia and my brother-in-law, the King of Denmark, Sweden, and England. Once he gets 750 piety I was thinking about just swearing fealty to him so he can reform the faith.
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What is a good Muslim start? I've done Mali before and the Saffarids as a way of then converting to Zoroastrianism but I don't think I've ever done a full Muslim playthrough.
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Darkrenown posted:^^^ Capitals, yeah! I guess subjugations too. Any other once per life things while we're here? Law changes for immortals. Currently you can only do it once per lifetime. I remember someone wanting to change something but had already switched things to Ag-Cog and couldn't. FreudianSlippers posted:What is a good Muslim start? Abbassid 1066. Can you break free of Seljuk tyranny and re-establish the Caliphate? This is my favorite as it's the first real Ironman game I did in any Paradox game.
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Darkrenown posted:Today's DD: This is really neat. The addition of game rules for realm names and stuff is extra-nice. Will there be tweaks to how often you can execute people without tyranny issues at some point? There was the earlier discussion of it, and I think it's kind of a shame that so many new execution-related things were added but the game itself seems to try to disincentivize execution most of the time. I want to break people on the wheel. (This is a lie, I play goody-two-shoes most of the time.) Also man, reading about the history of some of the things in this game makes me want to try playing them; I decided to look up Mazdakism and was fascinated and now want to make a glorious socialist Persian Empire, despite Mazdakism being an even harder start than normal Zoroastrianism (with about the only benefit being starting in Esfahan).
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Roland Jones posted:This is really neat. The addition of game rules for realm names and stuff is extra-nice. Letting you execute/banish people who really wronged you would be nice. As it is you almost never wanna use it because of the tyranny penalty.
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FreudianSlippers posted:What is a good Muslim start? This is an especially good start, because it's got vassal fuckery, you can expand really any direction, and it usually concides with Mongols and Crusades.
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axeil posted:Law changes for immortals. Currently you can only do it once per lifetime. I remember someone wanting to change something but had already switched things to Ag-Cog and couldn't. I agreed with succession laws in the post you quoted  Crown laws are already on a 50 year cool down or death since 2.6.Roland Jones posted:Will there be tweaks to how often you can execute people without tyranny issues at some point? There was the earlier discussion of it, and I think it's kind of a shame that so many new execution-related things were added but the game itself seems to try to disincentivize execution most of the time. I want to break people on the wheel. (This is a lie, I play goody-two-shoes most of the time.) I'll see what I can do about some justified executions. Personally if someone is annoying enough I saw them in half regardless of tyranny though.
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FreudianSlippers posted:What is a good Muslim start? Why not go for the Muslims in the Indus Valley in North-West India/Pakistan? Really fun to try and get a Muslin India.
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Are achievements still disabled if Steam goes offline? I have a bunch of 10-12 hour flights coming up, and was thinking about trying for some achievements to waste time on them.
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Romuva Lithuania snagged the four holy sites that aren't in horde lands and reformed their faith, pretty cool. First time I've seen non germanics manage it
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genericnick posted:Also I've lost my first game due to lack of dynastic heir in ages. Started with sigudr the Ring and the third generation just died on me. Only murdered one of the brats myself. I think tribals are pretty brutal now, without hospital recruit court physician. As a tribal you have tons of piety, just mash the invite holy man decision for 5 piety a bunch of times and you'll get a solid court physician. You can still end up game overing in two generations due to bad luck with fertility and diseases but ck2.txt
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