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Happy to do the survey but for gods sake doing part of your wedding on Dota 2?
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Weddings in games? I thought that was mostly a WoW thing.
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Sep 7, 2016 13:29
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completed the questionnaire, please let us know what you find with the results
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Sep 7, 2016 13:44
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yeah i participated as well, keep us updated!
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Sep 7, 2016 13:46
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Completed the questionnaire as well.
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Sep 7, 2016 13:51
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I completed the survey even though I haven't played in a few months, though I think my answers probably do a good job of describing why I stopped playing at least which is probably useful?
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Sep 7, 2016 14:04
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Guys, I feel lonely and I feel like I can talk to the dota2 community about my personal problems. fake e: please don't sell my email
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Sep 7, 2016 14:08
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I'll definitely let you guys know what I find. Like all research, it will be a while though, since after data collection comes analysis and such. Should have some preliminary findings in a few months though! No worries, IcePhoenix, even if you haven't played in a few months, its still useful to see what you have to say. As for you, Beef, I'm not in that line of work. Still need more people to fill it out, so if any of you know others who might be willing to take it, I'd be grateful. Thanks again! alfheimwanderer fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Sep 7, 2016 14:15
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I filled out the survey and passed the link along to non-goon dota players, I appreciate that someone is doing this kind of study
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Sep 7, 2016 15:38
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alfheimwanderer posted:As for you, Beef, I'm not in that line of work. All researchers have to whore themselves out from time to time, it's how you can afford working on interesting stuff  What field are you publishing in? Are you doing a comparative study with other games? Speaking of dota community, where are the dota goons hanging around these days? Ingame lljk na discord channels are silent.
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Sep 7, 2016 15:50
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Sep 7, 2016 15:51
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No joke, having played most mobas (including at least 3 that no longer exist), I've come to the conclusion that DOTA2 players are the most miserable and alien players. Not to say they're the most toxic (HoN easily wins that), but every time I play I have no idea whats going to set off allies or make them randomly DC or whatever. Also I filled out the survey, best of luck in your research 
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Sep 7, 2016 16:04
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Seriously. You're gonna get so many responses like this given that this is the 'I don't play Dota 2 anymore but I will yell at sweaty nerds' thread. Anyway I filled in my survey as well.
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Sep 7, 2016 16:12
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Geight posted:I filled out the survey and passed the link along to non-goon dota players, I appreciate that someone is doing this kind of study Much appreciated. Beef posted:All researchers have to whore themselves out from time to time, it's how you can afford working on interesting stuff Nah, we work with taxpayer money. Well, those of us who are lucky enough. quote:What field are you publishing in? Are you doing a comparative study with other games? Research into this stuff tends to go into Social Psych or Computer-Human Interaction. At the moment, this particular study just focuses on DOTA 2 due to limitations in funding, though I do plan to do studies on other MOBAs for comparison, with LoL being next on the list (since it also has a large community and a official API), and then possibly some of the others, like HoTS, which is the one I actually play these days. Neurolimal posted:No joke, having played most mobas (including at least 3 that no longer exist), I've come to the conclusion that DOTA2 players are the most miserable and alien players. Not to say they're the most toxic (HoN easily wins that), but every time I play I have no idea whats going to set off allies or make them randomly DC or whatever. Heh. Yeah, I've heard things about HoN... alfheimwanderer fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Sep 7, 2016 16:14
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Took the survey, quickly realized I haven't played dotes in a long rear end time and half of the questions were irrelevant to me.
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Sep 7, 2016 17:32
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I'm filling this out on mobile but I'm question 38 and all the answers are blank. I assume this is just something that isn't loading correctly on mobile so is anyone able to remember what those responses are? I assume they're the somewhat un/likely questions so if I can know the order that they are listed in I can do them blindly that way
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Sep 7, 2016 18:15
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Luna Was Here posted:I'm filling this out on mobile but I'm question 38 and all the answers are blank. I assume this is just something that isn't loading correctly on mobile so is anyone able to remember what those responses are? I assume they're the somewhat un/likely questions so if I can know the order that they are listed in I can do them blindly that way I saw those too; I assumed that they used the same measurement system as the prior ones (1-7 strongly disagree to strongly agree).
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Sep 7, 2016 18:39
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I feel like sometimes the questions in the same sections were supposed to be about the same things/people but didn't end up feeling like they were. The biggest example of that for me was an entire section about the people I play DotA with and if I'd ask them for help with personal problems. My answers probably seem extremely scattershot because sometimes the questions made me think of the friends that I play DotA 2 with regularly because I know them in reality, and other times the questions made me think of people I only met through DotA who I would not share anything personal with.
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Sep 7, 2016 20:16
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How did you get Steam Master Keys?
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Sep 7, 2016 20:44
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That is a strangely worded question. Does that imply people don't enjoy the game, or that they just aren't remarking to themselves at the time of play "wow I sure am having fun right now!" I can't think about that now, I gotta yell at this scrub because he didn't stack the small camp before pulling the wave!
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Sep 8, 2016 00:09
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I can't wait to go home and play dota - said no one, ever
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Sep 8, 2016 00:11
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I mean, not out loud, but I am on my way home right now, planning to play DOTA2, and expecting to enjoy it.
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Sep 8, 2016 00:12
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I completed the survey and I found the question about what role you prefer to play to be weird. You used the tags Valve assigns to heroes to describe them, but not all of those directly tie up to every role. Sure Carry and Support do but there's no single tag that signifies a hero as a midlaner or offlaner. From what I've seen, players tend to identify themselves by what lane position they prefer to play. Tons of people pretty much exclusively try to play mid, as an example, which is completely different from being a safelane farming carry. But in your survey there would be no way to signify that.
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Next time I am playing with random people who are screaming at each other in Spanish I am going to ask them If I can bare my soul to them and talk about personal issues. Thanks survey for inspiring me.
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Neurolimal posted:I saw those too; I assumed that they used the same measurement system as the prior ones (1-7 strongly disagree to strongly agree). Its probably the "How do you communicate with people in game" question, which would make the responses ranging from "Not at all" to "Almost Exclusively" im gay posted:How did you get Steam Master Keys? Valve was kind enough to supply me with some Master Keys when I asked, since they're fairly supportive of research (Riot has ceased to help external researchers as much, after Lyte left). They're also one of the big places that like to hire eclectic folk, like economists, UX researchers, and the like. Internet Kraken posted:I completed the survey and I found the question about what role you prefer to play to be weird. You used the tags Valve assigns to heroes to describe them, but not all of those directly tie up to every role. Sure Carry and Support do but there's no single tag that signifies a hero as a midlaner or offlaner. From what I've seen, players tend to identify themselves by what lane position they prefer to play. Tons of people pretty much exclusively try to play mid, as an example, which is completely different from being a safelane farming carry. But in your survey there would be no way to signify that. Hm. You're saying I should have a question for which lane people prefer? Top, bot, mid? I'll keep that in mind for next time - given that I come most recently from HoTS, conventions are a bit different there. Putin It In Mah rear end posted:That is a strangely worded question. Does that imply people don't enjoy the game, or that they just aren't remarking to themselves at the time of play "wow I sure am having fun right now!" There's elements of both, more the latter than the former. Its a question that has to do with where one's attention is, given that there are other questions dealing directly with fun. Superrodan posted:I feel like sometimes the questions in the same sections were supposed to be about the same things/people but didn't end up feeling like they were. The biggest example of that for me was an entire section about the people I play DotA with and if I'd ask them for help with personal problems. My answers probably seem extremely scattershot because sometimes the questions made me think of the friends that I play DotA 2 with regularly because I know them in reality, and other times the questions made me think of people I only met through DotA who I would not share anything personal with. That's actually fairly intentional, which is why sometimes the questions are about "someone you play with" and sometimes about "people in DOTA 2." Surveys of this sort often probe about an issue through a variety of questions, both to make sure people are paying attention (though we use also use the "Please choose ___ " questions as well), and to see if by coming from a different angle, we're actually looking at a different construct (or group) - kind of like when you're thinking about two different groups of people. alfheimwanderer fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Sep 8, 2016 02:55
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looks like Envy's team will be announced imminently https://twitter.com/NPDotA
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alfheimwanderer posted:Hm. You're saying I should have a question for which lane people prefer? Top, bot, mid? I'll keep that in mind for next time - given that I come most recently from HoTS, conventions are a bit different there. The distinctions are generally "1-5" "safelane carry/midlaner/offlaner/support/hard support". The Valve roles generally describe a particular hero preference in regards to their playstyle, so they're still relevant. I like playing support so I play 4 or 5, but I also like playing initiators so I liked playing certain 2s in previous patches and certain 3s currently.
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emdash posted:looks like Envy's team will be announced imminently https://twitter.com/NPDotA logo looks like a sperm
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schmitty9800 posted:The distinctions are generally "1-5" "safelane carry/midlaner/offlaner/support/hard support".
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The roles I would just list would be. Carry Support Offlaner Midlaner None Preferred I think those are the terms people most often use to describe their preferred roles in pubs. Some people use the 1-5 pro positions but a lot of people don't know or understand what those exactly are.
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Sep 8, 2016 03:52
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You're missing "single player jungler" there.
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Sep 8, 2016 03:58
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"Team NP" is only two letters away from being "Team OG" way to pick an original name EE-sama
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Incoherence posted:I would wager that most players don't make a distinction between 4 and 5 (and most of the time in pubs there's only one support anyway), and are less familiar with the 1-5 system in general, so the safelane/mid/offlane/support categorization makes the most sense here. I would say most people understand the distinction between support and hard support its just most people don't see it in pubs because in most pubs people are trying to be the carry instead of the ward bitch alfheimwanderer posted:There's elements of both, more the latter than the former. Its a question that has to do with where one's attention is, given that there are other questions dealing directly with fun. My problem with that question is when Im playing a game I never really think "man Im having fun" my line of thinking is more focused on what is happening in the game that is giving me the feeling of fun. I never really think about fun in the moment, its always an afterthought to me. Like after a session of playing The Witcher I always come out of it thinking "what a great game and I still have so much more to do" but I'm not thinking about that when I'm in game, my mind is always on the doing and its the same thing in Dota. When I'm in game I'm more so focused on the objective of win the game and usually win or lose I come out of it thinking "that was fun, I think I'll do another" until I either have to quit due to time or because of one of those losses that's just plain soul crushing.
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McSharpie posted:"Team NP" is only two letters away from being "Team OG" way to pick an original name EE-sama Bring back No Tidehunter
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Xtanstic posted:Seriously. You're gonna get so many responses like this given that this is the 'I don't play Dota 2 anymore but I will yell at sweaty nerds' thread. Anyway I filled in my survey as well. Pretty much this. It must be a cultural thing (I'm peruvian) because after playing since 5.36 I still come back from work to play dotes while feeling the thrill and yelling "gently caress yesssss" when things go my way. English is not my main language and I'm from an actual Third World Country so I'm at a lack of words to describe someone who would willingly boot up a videogame to be miserable. P.S: Filling the survey, good luck!
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Sep 8, 2016 04:26
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Luna Was Here posted:My problem with that question is when Im playing a game I never really think "man Im having fun" my line of thinking is more focused on what is happening in the game that is giving me the feeling of fun. I never really think about fun in the moment, its always an afterthought to me. Like after a session of playing The Witcher I always come out of it thinking "what a great game and I still have so much more to do" but I'm not thinking about that when I'm in game, my mind is always on the doing and its the same thing in Dota. When I'm in game I'm more so focused on the objective of win the game and usually win or lose I come out of it thinking "that was fun, I think I'll do another" until I either have to quit due to time or because of one of those losses that's just plain soul crushing. No, I get that. For many games, especially those which are designed to be immersive/highly competitive/fast paced, you're not going to be thinking about whether it was fun or not until you reflect on it afterwards, with a high level of engagement during the game leading to enjoyment after (especially if you've accomplished something). For other games, which may be slower-paced or gives you pauses to reflect (like Tower Defense), you might get that hit of enjoyment during the game itself, as opposed to afterward. Of course, its also a standard question adapted from a previously validated psych instrument, which is why its not necessarily a perfect fit. schmitty9800 posted:The distinctions are generally "1-5" "safelane carry/midlaner/offlaner/support/hard support". Ok, will keep that in mind. I was mostly going with Valve's roles since I was looking at hero/role preferences, but I will certainly add something for the next survey. Thank you! alfheimwanderer fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Sep 8, 2016 05:00
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emdash posted:looks like Envy's team will be announced imminently https://twitter.com/NPDotA looks like complexity have some competition haha xd
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Sep 8, 2016 05:39
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Completed the survey. Interesting question set and I can see there are many aspects that could result in very revealing connections to effective game making. I think you could benefit from adding a section that asks or quantifies players feelings and what keeps them playing the game. For me I find that 60 to 70 percent of games are dog poo poo garbage with impossibly dumb humans but the few games that work are incredibly satisfying, so much so that I will put up with so many horrible games Quantifying what brings players back time and time again no matter the flaws of a game could be useful from an industry standpoint.
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Luna Was Here posted:I would say most people understand the distinction between support and hard support its just most people don't see it in pubs because in most pubs people are trying to be the carry instead of the ward bitch There is no such thing as two supports in a game. The standard is carry, Mid, offlane, jungler and mobile ward dispenser.
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Majuju posted:logo looks like a sperm Team NoPorn?
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