orcane posted:

Another case study for why listening to a video game community can be a really stupid loving idea. What is wrong with people...

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We’re not very interested in having minor delays just for the sake of appearances – if there’s to be a delay, it should try to be roughly appropriate to a bulk freighter’s ability: reasonably slow compared to an explorer type vessel, but able to reach any destination – eventually.

Sultan Tarquin posted:

Voted, but it's pretty much a fools errand at this point. Never underestimate the grognards ability to spite himself for the sake of 'realism'

orcane posted:

Another case study for why listening to a video game community can be a really stupid loving idea. What is wrong with people...

FileNotFound posted:

It's not so much the "community" it's the zealots who actually bother to make 50 posts a day on the brown-sea. Those are the same people who are stuck in the 80s and bring up idiotic crap like "The Real Elite" never had this!

timn posted:

From the OP of the thread that Chrysophylax linked:

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We’ll run the poll until Monday next week. *Unless there is a significant, majority vote against ship transfer delivery times, along with a high turnout*, we will likely be moving towards implementing plausible delays into ship and module transfer, though such a change may affect when the features comes online. 

orcane posted:

Yeah that sounds like they surrendered to the already, and just want to cover their asses. A majority vote against delays practically can't happen because the reason they backtracked has to be related to how many grognards pushed for delays in the first place, not sure where this significant majority vote is supposed to come from all of a sudden. Because I'm pretty sure normal people don't go to the brown sea.

Mike the TV posted:

Keep in mind the secret Kickstarter backer forum has the most influence out of the whole community. We can't even see the level of grognard they spew.

orcane posted:

Yeah that sounds like they surrendered to the already, and just want to cover their asses. A majority vote against delays practically can't happen because the reason they backtracked has to be related to how many grognards pushed for delays in the first place, not sure where this significant majority vote is supposed to come from all of a sudden. Because I'm pretty sure normal people don't go to the brown sea.

Main Paineframe posted:

Well, the big informal poll on the forums was just about 50/50 between "little to no delay" and "lots of delay", so they already know that a significant majority coming down on either side is highly unlikely.

Chrysophylax posted:

There are no words

Libluini posted:

If my math isn't too far off, that would be a delay of about 6 days if you want to transfer something to Jaques' Station. 6 days! And I'm guessing the high costs for a super-transfer stay the same? Has some kind of alien madness-virus taken over ?

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I am an explorer at heart. 100 minutes is ridicilously small, given that my journey to BP and back took me about half a year. I don't want griefers at Jacques station hence:

- time to transfer a ship should be no less than one week
- if player dies in a ship he resurrects back at the original station before the ship was transferred.

A brown sailor posted:

I realize that my vote counts for naught but I must have a token disagreement comment. 100 minute wait to bring my ship to across the bubble? If matter can be transported in a matter of minutes, what would be the logic behind transporting goods for profit, for example? No logic, such implementation would render it obsolete. It would only work for ships but not ore, you say? That opens another can of worms.

First the ridiculous random generators, now concepts that make no sense. What next? Flying dragons and hopping unicorns? I guess anything can be worked into "gameplay" now.

I'd feel stupid casting a vote for either option. Abstain.

LCL-Dead posted:

I'm highly amused and disappointed that the "instant trasnfers will undermine the scale of the galaxy" bit made it into the considerations.

You can't send a ship to a place with no station.
You can't send a ship to a station with no ship yard.
You have to be there to request your ship be sent to you (no sending it ahead of you).

So how in the gently caress does that undermine the scale of the galaxy?

Knifegrab posted:

I voted for delay. Have a good day.

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Not surprising since you don't play the game/are a gigantic piece of poo poo.

Kurr de la Cruz posted:

!addhostile knifegrab

Strategic Tea posted:

it all depends on the length of the delays. It's dumb as hell to havy any wait at all but five minutes really isn't the end of the world.

Chrysophylax posted:

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So transfer delay is only stopped if the vote is a massive landslide with high turnout against it? Why then even have the poll? I have to congratulate your guys for the utter contempt you're showing to a huge part of the player-base.

To explain what I mean, let's take the four arguments for a delay apart, one by one:

* Instant transfer is likely to have a less plausible/desirable explanation for how the feature works in game lore.
While I could live with the proposed transfer-time, since I'm an explorer and in almost all cases, far away from any station anyway, at some point we should remember that we're playing a video game, not a real-life simulator.

Having delayed transfers just because of lore is like inventing some convoluted element where we have to log in every couple hours to feed our pilots. Which is to say, absurd.

* Instant transfer will lessen the need to have decent frame shift drives in ships other than one, “main” explorer type vessel.
This is an argument I can just marvel at. So Frontier has given less then decent FSDs to most ships and because players rebel against this by using explorer-ships as taxis the players are at fault? How about raising the range of all ships instead, so people don't have to do this?

* Instant ship transfer will remove any potential game play from deciding when/if transfer should be initiated.
And this is actually an argument for instant ship transfers, because there shouldn't be any gameplay about this kind of thing, anyway. It's a convenience meant to make the game more fun and less tedious, why would you try to punish players by putting some extra hoops there for players to hop through? That's an almost sadistic approach to gameplay.

* Instant ship transfer undermines the scale of the galaxy.
And this finally isn't even an argument, it's a random jumble of words. We have the entire Milkyway with 400 billion stars in it and even if Frontier adds new stations as fast as we can, travel times will be weeks and months between those places. And if Frontier, like they have hinted to, plan to add a new type of FTL with longer range, they're undermining their own "argument". So what, are the people transfering our ships not allowed to use these future drives? I think I have to call this point Absurdism Squared, since just calling it "absurd" wouldn't give it enough honor.

In conclusion, I obviously voted against the delays and for instant transfers. It's the only logical choice.

Chrysophylax posted:

It's 5 minutes minimum, 100 for 300ly. If it were 5 minutes flat it'd be completely dumb but acceptable IMO.

Some grognard posted:

I'm still voting for the delay despite their specific proposal being over the top though, because it will be FAR easier to get them to nerf an overly long delay than it will be to get the instant gratification monkeys to let go of the instant transfer banana.

FileNotFound posted:

What's dumb is that 100 for 300ly is longer than travel time there AND back.

I can get to Sothis which is 400ly away in 20 minutes in a Cutter.

They're literally making it ship transfer take LONGER than me hauling it by hand.

TorakFade posted:

Did.. did we just get slapped in the face?

TorakFade posted:

Did.. did we just get slapped in the face?


Is everyone on that board a jobless outcast with no family, schedules or commitments that can afford to twiddle their thumbs for 1 hour waiting for a ship to arrive? I mean, I (like most normal people I guess) have lots of poo poo to do, so most of the time I can't just wait around for my ship to arrive or log in, set up the move, log out and then come back 1 hour later. And yes, I mostly want to play a videogame to get instant gratification. I like fun, I want to play the game my way, if I want to just hop in my Asp and start an exploration trip or jump in my Vulture and shoot mans right now and not in 1 hour/tomorrow, why should I be called a monkey?

I actually think most of those people reasoning is something like "I keep all my ships somewhere, if I want to do poo poo somewhere else I'll move over everything and stay there for a couple weeks, then repeat the procedure", they don't even consider that someone could want to move to different places every day, and that it could actually add to the sense of scale of the galaxy because you'd be visiting different places all the time instead of seeing the same 5-6 systems over and over and over again like when you set up shop semi-permanently somewhere.

But hey I was a literal baby when the original Elite came out so what do I know. But I maintain that making the game online-only, cutting off any possibility of modding, is the worst thing did


Edit: I'm gonna go ahead and say to myself, "nice meltdown"

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

There's people asking if ships in transit can be pirated/destroyed

frank.club posted:

Like, can it at least still happen offline? If I get a ship transfer and log off for the night will it still be in transit?

frank.club posted:

Like, can it at least still happen offline? If I get a ship transfer and log off for the night will it still be in transit?

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

There's people asking if ships in transit can be pirated/destroyed

holy poo poo is this even real posted:

First of all, I don't think the decision of feature implementation should be on the actual devs (sorry Frontier devs ) who work on implementation or testing. Why? Because, devs and testers are usually clueless about how the product or service should look/feel like to the end user (again, sorry Frontier devs ).

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On the other hand it shouldn't be a decision made by the community either. Why? Because, today's gaming community is made of people that want to go in, shoot or do whatever for 30 minutes, log out and make the game as easy and convinient as possible for them in the process. I don't blame them, that's the gameplay that suits most of the people and that most of the games publishers adopt because it gets them a larger chunk of the market (people). Long run, what makes the game 'easy and convinient' is what ultimately kills the game.

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Having said all this, I'm an Elite player since the 80s