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Spoeank posted:Remember Torrey Smith on the Ravens? That's Mike Wallace on the Ravens. If that much, more likely a poor man's version of Smith. Do you want to roster a guy who will boom/bust his way to WR35? 
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LmaoTheKid posted:https://twitter.com/clarencehilljr/status/773547304011730944 They rushed Dez and Romo back from injury last year and look how that worked out.
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Richard Sherman once said that Mike Wallace was the hardest-to-defend player he's ever been up against. Unfortunately, the reason Sherman gave for that was his speed, and Wallace is now 30 and hasn't flashed that speed in years. I wouldn't expect much. "boom/bust his way to WR35" sounds about right.
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I've made 6 trades between my two leagues so far, and the season hasn't even started. 
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Mike Wallace is a great bye week sub if you're in some wacky 14+ team league where you need to start 3+ WRs and there are big play bonuses.
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I took Julius Thomas as my TE in like the last round because I had to roster one. But I don't particularly like him. Drop him for any of these guys, either as a 1 week stream or straight season-long upgrade? 12 team ESPN standard league, 0 PPR Jesse James @WSH Vance McDonald vs LA Dwayne Allen vs DET Clive Walford @NO
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Docjowles posted:I took Julius Thomas as my TE in like the last round because I had to roster one. But I don't particularly like him. Drop him for any of these guys, either as a 1 week stream or straight season-long upgrade? They're all going to be a gamble in 0 ppr, but if I had to pick one of those 5 to get a TD I'd guess McDonald.
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Should I start Sanders tomorrow night (vs Cin) over the likes of Demarco Murray (vs Min) or Vincent Jackson (@ Atl)? .5 ppr.
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Week 1 Start/Sit Thread: Don't sit your studs
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oh yeah, sorry! I'm still shaking off the rust of the off season.
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I feel like I'm in a bad place with my RBs, my starters are Jeremy Langford and Matt Jones. Should I try to trade for Jamaal Charles in hopes of getting a break when he comes back? Is TY Hilton too much value to offer up as trade? I figured I'd start by offering someone like Kamar Aiken, Kenny Stills, or Ajaiyi and see if he bites before going all the way to Hilton. 0 PPR, Standard ESPN.
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Vargo posted:I feel like I'm in a bad place with my RBs, my starters are Jeremy Langford and Matt Jones. If you offered me Aiken, Stills, or Ajayi for JC (peace and blessings be upon him), I would reject your offer and not consider for a moment trying to work out a trade with you. I would rather watch you suffer, week after week, as your RBs hold you back and you ultimately find yourself trying to escape the Sacko. If I were you, I wouldn't start with Hilton, though. Hilton seems fair but there IS some risk with JC (peace and blessings be upon him), so I would offer a bit less. Just not THAT much less.
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Vargo posted:I feel like I'm in a bad place with my RBs, my starters are Jeremy Langford and Matt Jones. edit: MarquisDeCarabas posted:If I were you, I wouldn't start with Hilton, though. Hilton seems fair but there IS some risk with JC (peace and blessings be upon him), so I would offer a bit less. Just not THAT much less. mega dy fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Vargo posted:I figured I'd start by offering someone like Kamar Aiken, Kenny Stills, or Ajaiyi and see if he bites This is a good way to immediately end negotiations. Don't offer people 10th round picks (or later) for their 2nd or 3rd round pick. At least make it SOMEWHAT reasonable if you want to get a back and forth going.
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I have a really big problem not getting personally insulted and telling people to gently caress themselves when they offer me poo poo trades like that. Don't waste my time. I'm not going to start at dogshit and work my way up to even, this isn't the market in Aladdin.
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dy. posted:Nah try to trade one of those guys for Todd Gurley instead. Why set your sights so low? I'd rather have JC, too, but if you look at ADP right now, JC is only a couple spots ahead of Hilton. You are operating under the assumption that JC is only missing one game. I don't think it's unreasonable to think he might miss several games and/or be on a snap count and/or be a member of a committee when he returns.
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MarquisDeCarabas posted:I'd rather have JC, too, but if you look at ADP right now, JC is only a couple spots ahead of Hilton. You are operating under the assumption that JC is only missing one game. I don't think it's unreasonable to think he might miss several games and/or be on a snap count and/or be a member of a committee when he returns. I think it's highly unlikely that someone would trade their freshly-drafted Charles for TY Hilton having literally just chosen him. Unless it was an autodraft or something.
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At the same time, a lot of JC owners aren't going to immediately punt on a 2nd or 3rd round pick like that. The ADP probably matters less than where they drafted the player, as they are only probably evaluating where they took the player vs what they think they are getting in return.
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I think it depends on when you drafted, too; a lot of folks drafted him before the news of his delayed recovery broke. Y'all are mostly right, I don't think we really disagree much, but I think there may be in some leagues opportunities to get JC for cheap if the owner is panicking as week 1 approaches. That being said, I think you are more likely to find a JC owner in need of a starting RB rather than a TY Hilton.
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MarquisDeCarabas posted:If I were you, I wouldn't start with Hilton, though. Hilton seems fair but there IS some risk with JC (peace and blessings be upon him), so I would offer a bit less. Just not THAT much less. Okay, point taken. But the only one I have in the a-little-less-than-Hilton range is Sterling Shepard. Should I offer him for Charles or just hope for a miracle with Jones?
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We haven't even seen week 1 of the season yet. Outside of autodraft, anyone who has a given player on their roster has them because they were their choice. There is zero chance that someone would trade said player for anyone who was drafted lower than them. If they wanted the latter player then they would have drafted them in the first place when both were available. The only way that this changes is if the draft occurred weeks ago and recent news has scared them.
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Vargo posted:Okay, point taken. But the only one I have in the a-little-less-than-Hilton range is Sterling Shepard. Should I offer him for Charles or just hope for a miracle with Jones? Offer him Sterling Shepard for Jamaal Charles.
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Vargo posted:Okay, point taken. But the only one I have in the a-little-less-than-Hilton range is Sterling Shepard. Should I offer him for Charles or just hope for a miracle with Jones? edit: Here, I'm going to rewrite this conversation using real-world items which approximately represent players value. Maybe that will get the point across. Vargo posted:Hey guys, I really need a need TV. I was thinking about offering my neighbor a trade. I'm going to start by offering some old socks, or maybe a few old pennies. If he doesn't bite, I can work my way up to a DVD player. The Thread posted:That's an unrealistic, borderline insulting trade offer. Vargo posted:OK, point taken. What if I offer this box of colored pencils? mega dy fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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dy. posted:You are so precious. Something tells me the point was not actually taken. Is Shepard really such a garbage offer? I know he's a rookie and he's behind ODB but he had good... okay yeah I see your point. But I meant it, he's the only guy I have that's between Hilton and like Aiken. I'm really really bad at valuing players against each other and I'm just looking to dig my way out of the RB hole I'm overthinking. I thought picking up JC on the cheap might be a possibility but it sounds like the answer is definitely no.
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RIght idea, wrong execution. Take a chance on someone that's not quite so bright a star. See if you can grab a Rashad Jennings, or a Thomas Rawls, or take a chance with Terrance West or someone like that. Also comb your waiver wire and see what's there. Maybe Forsett went undrafted?
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SouthShoreSamurai posted:RIght idea, wrong execution. Take a chance on someone that's not quite so bright a star. Also this is kind of the worst possible time to trade because everyone literally just hand-selected all of their players, and so will be pretty tied to them. Maybe wait a few weeks and try to snag someone who is underperforming.
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MarquisDeCarabas posted:I think it depends on when you drafted, too; a lot of folks drafted him before the news of his delayed recovery broke. This isn't new news, his recovery has been on track with every modern acl recovery with exception to Adrian Peterson. Kelvin Benjamin and Jordy Nelson are in the same boat and their injuries happened weeks earlier. It's possible he misses a couple weeks like gurley last season (I still think he plays week 1 in a limited role) but no informed person drafted Charles without knowing this. This whole spencer ware adp explosion is bizarre and just shows how much influence rotoworld and Twitter have on fantasy sports.
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SouthShoreSamurai posted:RIght idea, wrong execution. Take a chance on someone that's not quite so bright a star. Forsett was actually the first thing I checked for but he was taken. I doubt I can get Rawls but Jennings is a good idea. Also my league's JC owner seems to have backed the wrong handcuff and is starting Charcandrick West. But I don't see anyone else he has that I'd trade for. Spiller, but I don't know that's any better than my options. I guess I asked the wrong questions. Better question. I need an RB better than Matt Jones and the most I'm willing to give up is TY Hilton. What names, if any, should I try to trade for?
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West isn't exactly the "wrong" guy. They both performed quite well last year. He's been a little dinged up but will also play.
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Ware is going to be startable for like three weeks. When Jamaal is back he's tiers above West and Ware. They aren't, you know, ACTUAL fantasy starters. If they were able to combine their stats into the same guy they would be though.
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Vargo posted:I also might be getting sucked up in.the Ware hype and kicking myself for leaving him undrafted in the last round when I had the chance. Don't worry so much about Ware. Plug in one of your bench RBs until Charles is healthy, and keep churning out the bottom of your roster to find the 2016 version of 2015 West/Ware/Hightower, 2014 Forsett. Let other leaguemates throw too much capital at a hyped name who will get some run early, but will ultimately be behind a probable Hall of Fame RB once he's healthy. Week 1 is when everything comes crashing down in terms of projection and hype once we see what new coordinators/coaches/free agents do in terms of scheme, roles and production.
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Yea bad trade offers particularly if you dont know that person really makes you hate them and want them to fail. Like its probably human and correct to assume theyre new to FF and dont understand value but its lot easier to lean to "this guy is an rear end in a top hat" Like someone offered me Doug Martin straight up for Lamar Miller yesterday in a ppr league. No explanation, nothing and its like what the gently caress
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I got Charles at 3.12\4.1 in GoonTier B. I'll be running with Riddick, Langford, and Sproles until he's back, but hopefully that'll be worth the gamble.the_american_dream posted:Like someone offered me Doug Martin straight up for Lamar Miller yesterday in a ppr league. No explanation, nothing and its like what the gently caress I'll never understand the rationale behind offering to trade someone with the same position as the guy being asked for. Professor Moriarty fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Should I take Kelvin Benjamin for Gio Bernard? My other RBs are Lacy, Charles, Foster and Henry and my WRs are Maclin, Hilton, Aiken, and Green-Beckham.
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