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Mirthless posted:lol It's a small thing that helps to humanize them to the jury, and all on its own evokes a certain mystique that's very deeply ingrained in a lot of people's minds. It seems like a stupid thing to fight over, but given how screwed they all are, a hail mary like this isn't the craziest thing to try.
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I wish I could write headlines for this trial. Confederate Cosplaying Cowboys Currently Being Convicted By Court
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nm posted:It actually depends. The most common for "normal" cases in california is called the six-pack. This sounds a trillion times more efficient than what I went through. 
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Azathoth posted:I don't know anything about the lawyer, but trying to get them to be able to wear cowboy boots makes a lot of sense to me if they're angling for jury nullification. It also may just be a client control thing.
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His lawyer believes that the constitutional convention was unlawful federal overreach and we're still under the Articles of Confederation.
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Mirthless posted:Your honor my client's reputation relies on his authenticity as a cowboy, can we please dress him up as a cowboy to show that he is in fact a cowboy despite not having ever earned a living as a cowboy? What if he identifies as trans-cowboy?
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Legal question: if the federal government can't own land what happened to the Louisiana Purchase
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hobbesmaster posted:nm will probably explain it from the lawyer side I've only experienced the juror side of it because I'm such a lucky person. Whats being talked about is something called "voir dire" which is where they whittle down a large jury pool to the 12 (or 6 or whatever) members of the actual (petit) jury. The prosecution and defense asks a bunch of questions of the pool like "Do you trust cops more than other people" or "Do you know the defendant, any of the witnesses or anyone else in the court room?" and if you raise your hand you go up and give a brief explanation about your answer. The judge will strike you from the pool for some reasons otherwise the prosecution and defense get a number of strikes remove jurors for any reason. After they're done with all that they draw the numbers of 12 jurors+alternates or whatever the number is out of a basket. nm posted:It actually depends. The most common for "normal" cases in california is called the six-pack. Thanks! I find court proceedings genuinely interesting in a lot of ways though I'll probably never get to be on an actual jury because I'm a grubby socialist pacifist hippie scumbag that I certainly wouldn't want on a jury if I were a prosecutor 
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Jewel Repetition posted:His lawyer believes that the constitutional convention was unlawful federal overreach and we're still under the Articles of Confederation. I mean I guess you could say that the constitution was an act of treason against the articles of confederation though you could also say that maybe your great great great grandpappy should have brought it up at the time rather than waiting two centuries
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ansel autisms posted:Legal question: if the federal government can't own land what happened to the Louisiana Purchase That depends. Does Napoleon have any descendants?
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Mors Rattus posted:That depends. Does Napoleon have any descendants? I googled it and surprisingly yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Bonaparte#List_of_Heads_of_the_House_of_Bonaparte_.28since_1852.29 e: It looks like his direct family line died out in the 1830's but his brother's is still going strong Shame Boy has issued a correction as of 23:05 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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I hope that guy likes being the King of Half The North American Continent, then.
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Mors Rattus posted:I hope that guy likes being the King of Half The North American Continent, then. Sure looks like it: 
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Sure looks like it: Justin Trudeau? 
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Mirthless posted:For the record I believe that Ammon and Ryan should be allowed to dress as cowboys, but only if the rest of the occupiers get dressed up in similar costumes. We could have a native american, and a biker, and a firefighter, and a policeman... With the little toy cap guns
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I mean I guess you could say that the constitution was an act of treason against the articles of confederation though you could also say that maybe your great great great grandpappy should have brought it up at the time rather than waiting two centuries I was specifically taught by my high school social studies teacher that it was treason, he went so far as to describe how they covered up the windows while they were meeting, to keep word from getting out. He also said that, if they hadn't done that, we wouldn't have the United States today. In the intervening years, I haven't heard or read anything that doesn't make me think he was right on both counts.
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Tayter Swift posted:Per my client's traditional customs bureau of land management staff must only be addressed as "varmints" This may work if they can select a jury solely based on whether they "hates that rabbit" too.
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I was on a jury. It was very dull. We awarded a 20-something 300 thousand dollars. The judge came in to talk to us after the trial and asked us to tell our friends jury duty was cool and good and that it was a privilege to be chosen and to serve and she seemed like a very nice person but it was mostly just dull. Volcott has issued a correction as of 00:53 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Motion to remove standby counsel denied. Bundy's getting into it with the judge as we speak. On https://twitter.com/maxoregonian Be wary, man ryan, bundy clan of, she's trying to create joinder!
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Mirthless posted:For the record I believe that Ammon and Ryan should be allowed to dress as cowboys, but only if the rest of the occupiers get dressed up in similar costumes. We could have a native american, and a biker, and a firefighter, and a policeman...
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ansel autisms posted:Legal question: if the federal government can't own land what happened to the Louisiana Purchase Illuminati plans for one world government. Your honor I present to the court an Animus device.
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Jury Story: My buddy was in a jury pool with Rob Cordry and got to chill out with him for a morning. Said he was a nice guy, heard about how he busted his rear end until he got his break in his 30's or so. They let him go pretty quickly because he was a celebrity. I like the idea of Ammon stealing folksy old Will Rogers bits and repeating them to the jury. *Ammon twirls lasso vertically and hops through the hole* "If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out, your honor?"
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 Post your dream jury.
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Azathoth posted:I was specifically taught by my high school social studies teacher that it was treason, he went so far as to describe how they covered up the windows while they were meeting, to keep word from getting out. He also said that, if they hadn't done that, we wouldn't have the United States today. In the intervening years, I haven't heard or read anything that doesn't make me think he was right on both counts. See we were told they covered up the windows but it was because "you don't really want people from the surrounding town to hear you discuss the future of the entire country in uncertain terms" and that the founding fathers were great glorious wonderful men for dealing with shut windows in summer 
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https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/773644568843603969 https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/773643173742514176 https://twitter.com/maxoregonian/status/773643933658128384 Don't gently caress with the birdwatchers people.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I always wondered how famous people can be on juries since I thought one of the key points was they had to keep the jurors anonymous oprah was a juror in a murder trial 
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I'm still pissed I haven't been able to buy a new MNWR mug after my handle broke
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Lutha Mahtin posted:oprah was a juror in a murder trial Too bad you can't see into jury rooms.
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hobbesmaster posted:Too bad you can't see into jury rooms. You get the chair! You get the chair! Casimir Radon has issued a correction as of 05:20 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Jurors are not anonymous except in like mafia cases. I (the defense attorney) get all your names. Yes, the records aee destroyed at the end and the names are "juror 1" in th transcripts, but it isn't really a secret. When I was a PD I had an ipad and would google your rear end.
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It's a little bit hosed up that you have to go in and state your name, where you work, and a bunch of other personal information in front a potentially lovely person. Seems like they could find a slightly better way to do jury selection where a juror has better privacy.
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^That reminds me, I had a boss who I worked for who was a kind of vulture capitalist. He was good at finding lending bubbles and building a small business within them before the bubble popped. He liked to brag about the time he got out of jury duty by saying that he didn't want to give his name and place of work out in public. What was to stop the violent black offender he would potentially be presiding over from tracking him down? This, apparently, made the defendant laugh and call him a cool dude. He may have been right though. When he showed up the next day the offender had escaped custody and he was sent home (I think he was bullshitting though).
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They're absolutely representatives of the government, so couldn't you just plead the fifth? I'm not giving anything to a cop or lawyer not representing me for free lmao what do you think I am, an idiot?
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Casimir Radon posted:It's a little bit hosed up that you have to go in and state your name, where you work, and a bunch of other personal information in front a potentially lovely person. Seems like they could find a slightly better way to do jury selection where a juror has better privacy. Well for me it was on a form the clerk had, we only used the juror numbers aloud. So you have that going for you at least. Does the defendant have a right to know the jurors names and stuff?
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Epic High Five posted:They're absolutely representatives of the government, so couldn't you just plead the fifth? Your right to avoid self-incrimination does not mean you can refuse to answer any random question. E: basically, how would giving your name incriminate you in any way? If it won't, the Fifth ain't gonna do poo poo. Mors Rattus has issued a correction as of 05:51 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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hobbesmaster posted:Well for me it was on a form the clerk had, we only used the juror numbers aloud. So you have that going for you at least. Casimir Radon has issued a correction as of 06:00 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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I'm 44 years old and I've never been called for jury duty.  I'd be happy to do it, I have a lot of free time.
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