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Alright, so I'm new as gently caress at this game. If I want to say, transfer a hauler from 72 Opichui to Wolf 379 (where I'm at now), how does that work, and how will it change?
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oRGy posted:I mean, I get the This was something they had already tested internally, though, isn't it? Their in-house testers pretty much unanimously said "no delay is the way to go" and it's been the brown sea spergs getting up in arms and being extremely vocal about it that triggered this whole step back and reconsideration. Someone earlier in the thread pointed out that this is SRV fuel all over again, and it really is, except worse in every way. SRV fuel, for all its faults, at least provides a resource to be "managed". While it's effectively a time limit on puttering around on the surface, it's easy to extend it with resources you gather by puttering around on the surface and the duration is sufficiently generous that I've never really had to worry about running out of fuel. Since you can just call your ship to come pick you up at any time, it's not like you have to track your fuel to make sure you have enough to make it back to wherever you parked or back to the surface base from which you disembarked. It's inoffensive currently Significantly delaying ship transfers doesn't do anything to discourage rampant ship transfers that tweaking the cost formulas couldn't do, except it's less player friendly to people using cheap ships and expensive ships alike. LostCosmonaut posted:Alright, so I'm new as gently caress at this game. If I want to say, transfer a hauler from 72 Opichui to Wolf 379 (where I'm at now), how does that work, and how will it change? Normally the way it works is you fly a ship - (optionally buy a cheap Sidewinder and fit it with an A-rank FSD for this purpose) - from where you are at now, over to 72 Ophiuci, then get in your Hauler (optionally selling your cheap Sidewinder) and fly it back. The way it was sold was that you would instead just be able to pay a transfer fee to ship your hauler directly to wherever you are and then can get in and fly it around right away. The way things appear to be going is that you still pay a transfer fee to ship your hauler directly to you, but it won't actually arrive for 5-60 minutes after you start the ship transfer. For reasons. Olesh fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Sep 7, 2016 22:58
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and making fun of spergs but some of the cognitive dissonance here is a bit, dunno, slap in the face. My feeling as to what happened reading Sandros post: They designed instant ship transfer because "barriers to fun are bad". This was the beginning and end of their thoughts on the matter. They most certainly did not do any internal A/B testing regarding this, and only realised that it might have downsides after reading reddit/forums and Braben then probably threw in his 2 pence.
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LostCosmonaut posted:Alright, so I'm new as gently caress at this game. If I want to say, transfer a hauler from 72 Opichui to Wolf 379 (where I'm at now), how does that work, and how will it change? The way it works right now is you fly your rear end to 72 Opichui and get your hauler and manually fly it to Wolf 379, leaving your other ship behind. There is no transfer right now. The way we were hoping it would work, and the way they initially telegraphed, was that you would now pay a fee and your ship would be transferred, no waiting around. The way it looks like it will end up working is that you pay a fee, and then wait around for long enough that you might as well have just trucked your rear end over to 72 Opichui and picked up the drat thing yourself. Although I guess at least you don't have to leave your old ship behind, if that helps you at all.
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Sep 7, 2016 23:02
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legooolas posted:I kicked it at the start. Did I not give them a sufficient amount of money to be able to tell then that they are wrong in the secret forum? It was the "£300 or more" pledge level. We've had goons here in the past that had access to said  "secret" design decision forum, and they've left the impression that it isn't any more influential than standard Brown Sea bitching.That hasn't stopped it from being a boogeyman for people to blame regarding design choices they disagree with.  EDIT: Here's a link to the DDF archive, which is visible to all forum users. Alehkhs fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Sep 7, 2016 23:08
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I suspect if frontier just implemented the ability to transfer and said "Hey you can transfer your ships, and after a short period of time they will appear at the new station". No one would have really cared and would have appreciated the feature. But by creating this whole debate people are drawing battle lines and fighting like its a vote on going to war.
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Sep 7, 2016 23:13
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CapnBry posted:Autohotkey script This is awesome. Thank you. 
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Sep 7, 2016 23:18
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Mouko posted:This is awesome. Thank you. Also from me. Danke Capnbry! Totally missed this initially in the sea of transfer madness. Thankfully, the delay in getting it has only added to the enjoyment!
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Sep 7, 2016 23:25
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Knifegrab posted:I've got good money on the fact that frontier are already developing it one way and will completely disregard the poll. Well, yeah. Sandro openly said as much - they've already decided to go with delays, and even if the poll comes down in favor of instant, he's reserved the right to ignore the poll if instant doesn't win by a "significant" enough margin or if he decides that the number of people voting didn't add up to a "significant" portion of the playerbase.
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Sep 7, 2016 23:42
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CapnBry posted:Wait... people play in Open Play? why? Do they like sitting outside the outpost Medium docking pad for 45 minutes while some guy AFKs in the hangar? Is it exciting to be blown to smithereens trying to come into station after a 20kly trip? Are RES boring unless you have to beat 5 other players to getting a hit in on the only spawned ship? Playing in Open Play brings annoyances, griefers, and spawn competition but on the plus side, sometimes the filled squares you see on the scanner are not filled! I play in open as often as I can because watching people try to dock is hilarious, but if I am doing anything productive it is on Solo Play because I don't want to wait for landing pads or get killed in 3 seconds with 2 hour's worth of cargo I spent mission board scumming to get. I always play in open because it is really neat to see other players zipping around the ports going about their business and because you hardly ever get interdicted
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Sep 7, 2016 23:46
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Goons wanting to be social?!
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Sep 7, 2016 23:48
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Main Paineframe posted:Well, yeah. Sandro openly said as much - they've already decided to go with delays, and even if the poll comes down in favor of instant, he's reserved the right to ignore the poll if instant doesn't win by a "significant" enough margin or if he decides that the number of people voting didn't add up to a "significant" portion of the playerbase. Hopefully, it'll go down the same route as the Engineers: lots of talk and hype and discussion and then… absolutely pitiful usage because it turns out that artificial barriers are stupid and don't create good gameplay. So they'll scratch their heads as to why only 0.05 ships per player were transferred on average over the first few months in spite of it being such a heavily anticipated feature. And then they change it because maybe the initial implementation was a bit daft.
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Sep 7, 2016 23:49
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orcane posted:Another case study for why listening to a video game community can be a really stupid loving idea. What is wrong with people... Space ship games interact with autism and other mental problems in special ways.
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Tippis posted:Hopefully, it'll go down the same route as the Engineers: lots of talk and hype and discussion and then… absolutely pitiful usage because it turns out that artificial barriers are stupid and don't create good gameplay. So they'll scratch their heads as to why only 0.05 ships per player were transferred on average over the first few months in spite of it being such a heavily anticipated feature. And then they
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If ship transfer becomes instant... then why should I have to plot a course to get to Beagle Point, Jaques Station or the Formadine Rift? I should be able to insta-transfer to them because it takes way too many jumps and drags down my game-playing enjoyment! It isn't fair to people who only have 30 minutes of playtime. People won't have to use the insta-teleport mechanic if they don't want. Also FD should tell us the whole story of E: D already; I don't have time to wait until they dole out "clues." It really affects my gameplay, not knowing what's going on.
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Sep 8, 2016 00:40
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Also FD should tell us the whole story of E: D already; I don't have time to wait until they dole out "clues." It really affects my gameplay, not knowing what's going on. So is whatshername, Avril, still Space Empress? I thought that was going somewhere end of last year.
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Sep 8, 2016 00:47
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:If ship transfer becomes instant... then why should I have to plot a course to get to Beagle Point, Jaques Station or the Formadine Rift? I should be able to insta-transfer to them because it takes way too many jumps and drags down my game-playing enjoyment! It isn't fair to people who only have 30 minutes of playtime. People won't have to use the insta-teleport mechanic if they don't want. This but unironically. I've stopped playing altogether because there is absolutely nothing to do out at Jaques, I'm not flying that 22kly ever again, and I don't feel like losing my Conda.
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Sep 8, 2016 01:29
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Wow there's over a hundred new posts in the Elite thread! I wonder if it's a new CG or some more reveals about aliens or... ...  But yeah, the best I can say is it's not like I'm any worse off for it. Elite is in desperate need of both quality of life features and content, but apparently they're going down a different direction.
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Sep 8, 2016 01:55
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I know this is an utterly newbie question but why to turreted weapons cost more than gimballed?
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Sep 8, 2016 02:05
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:If ship transfer becomes instant... then why should I have to plot a course to get to Beagle Point, Jaques Station or the Formadine Rift? I should be able to insta-transfer to them because it takes way too many jumps and drags down my game-playing enjoyment! It isn't fair to people who only have 30 minutes of playtime. People won't have to use the insta-teleport mechanic if they don't want. sure, there's no middle ground between pointless tedium or just handing over everything in the game
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Sep 8, 2016 02:07
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the last 3 pages of this thread: that thread on the fdev forums is the gift that keeps on giving
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Sep 8, 2016 02:16
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:the last 3 pages of this thread: nice meltdown gif
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Sep 8, 2016 02:21
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:the last 3 pages of this thread: haha you sure showed them how they were wrong about all the  s they were mocking 
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PoorMoralCompass posted:I know this is an utterly newbie question but why to turreted weapons cost more than gimballed? Thanks guys 
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PoorMoralCompass posted:Thanks guys Prepare to have a lot of non-answered questions in this thread. As far as I know (and I'm an Elite newb), you essentially pay for convenience/better tech. For fixed weapons, you have to be precise/accurate but you do more damage at a lesser cost. As you go into gimballed and turrets, you pay more, and you do less damage but can technically hit wider areas.
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Sep 8, 2016 02:38
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The grogs freaking out over instant ship transfer is probably the most fun that Frontier has implemented in the game thus far.
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Morter posted:Prepare to have a lot of non-answered questions in this thread. I figured that out slower than you did.  http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Weapons Thx morter. e- I know the info is there but this wiki is about as easy to comb through as something packed with information with little organization. Complaint Compilation fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Sep 8, 2016 02:40
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magic mountain posted:nice meltdown gif it really is
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Sep 8, 2016 02:54
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PoorMoralCompass posted:I know this is an utterly newbie question but why to turreted weapons cost more than gimballed? To discourage you from using them. They do less damage but they can fire in any direction not obscured by your own ship. They have a particular niche use and they don't want new players to think they should start with them.
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Sep 8, 2016 03:33
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PoorMoralCompass posted:I know this is an utterly newbie question but why to turreted weapons cost more than gimballed? Yeah it's basically to dis- PoorMoralCompass posted:Thanks guys -maybe wait more than five posts when you're wading into the middle of a heated discussion with something unrelated huh
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Chrysophylax posted:
Voted delay, have fun grognards  Nostalgia4Infinity posted:It isn't a meltdown when it's a statement of fact. Nice meltdown  Nostalgia4Infinity posted:>yawn Nice meltdown  loving lol how is this jackass a mod
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Chrysophylax posted:I'm not concerned with transferring within the bubble. I don't want people running to places like Jaques with fast ships while there's a CG and then instantly bringing in their FDLs and killing everyone. Chrysophylax posted:Dude, basically all of the balance for combat ships is centered around having a short jump range. Multirole ships only exist because there's a need to compromise between combat ability and exploration/cargo hauling ability. You don't want to wander too far into dangerous territory without having at least a little bit of power to fight back, right? At the same time, you give up long-range travel ability to be king of the hill in pure combat. Chrysophylax posted:Delivering gold--Now you don't have to fly your massive short jumping type-9 3-5 jumps back to the station that has gold for sale. Get your hauler with max jump range, run to the supply station and insta-transfer your ship to you. Load up the type-9, jump to the station, sell your stuff, insta-deliver your hauler and fly back fast. Rinse/repeat. Reduces your jumps by 50%. Total exploit. quote:After you get tired of that, have your combat anaconda delivered to you in seconds (even though it took 12 hours of play time to get there with 50 LY jump range). Murder all of the explorers in your insta-delivered death machine. FronzelNeekburm fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Sep 8, 2016 04:25
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Well, I applied to the PGS group thing, gonna see what this game is like when it's not just me or one other person at most I hope. It's a good solo game but the few times i just did open play all i did was dodge tons of interdictions in my Eagle while trying to go literally anywhere. Speaking of my eagle. I miss my eagle. I may sell my asp scout and just go back to that lovely little thing. They really should put new players in the eagle instead of the sidewinder. It has been my favorite ship so far. Given, I've only been in a few ships, but still.
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Sep 8, 2016 04:28
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PoorMoralCompass posted:Thanks guys Visit the PGS thread, sign up for frogs, join discord, get answers. Those might not all be in the right order. You're getting into the middle of a gamedev forumwar breakdown so this might not be the best place to get real answers for the next couple of days. Frogs are fun. Join Frogs. Ribbit.
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Sep 8, 2016 04:42
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Chrysophylax posted:Jaques Station--haul your rear out there carrying 700 tons of cargo, scream back home a ship that goes 3x faster, same as above. You realize the people competing in jaques station trade CGs sell their condas when they get there and take a one-way back to the bubble already, right? Like what you're proposing is significantly slower than what people already do.
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Sep 8, 2016 04:42
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Knifegrab posted:I wish they just made all ships free, and eliminated open all together. Its kind of ridiculous they expect players to play the game in order to progress. Just give me everything from the get go. That is actually a pretty good idea. It'd be great to just paste a Coriolis build into the game and just .... be in the ship. Same for Engineers. It would be suddenly become practical to try out crazy builds. Players could spend time doing things that are actually fun: Mine asteroids or do trade runs to affect the BGS for a faction instead of for credits. Explore to save your name in a database table somewhere or appreciate the sub-par version of Space Engine that is this game's procgen. Play combat the way it was originally presented in the trailers, without all the waiting.
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Sep 8, 2016 04:45
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Well if single player was a thing then I could do whatever I want in my own bubble but nooooo
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Sep 8, 2016 04:56
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By the way, is there a good reason that i can't play this entirely offline? I may lose internet for a few days soon and im trying to make the most of this game in the meantime but for those days im gonna be reduced to No Man's Sky, a game i've had to jump through insane hoops just to get a stable framerate at a resolution less than my native, and... I just don't want to install the nvidia openGL drivers to see if that works, because nvidia says i shoudnt and i'm gonna take their word over a reddit post that swears they went from a 15fps crawl to a stable 60... this isnt the place to whine about NMS but i really feel hosed that i won't bea ble to enjoy the actually good space game i own when i lose my internet.
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hemophilia posted:By the way, is there a good reason that i can't play this entirely offline? I may lose internet for a few days soon and im trying to make the most of this game in the meantime but for those days im gonna be reduced to No Man's Sky, a game i've had to jump through insane hoops just to get a stable framerate at a resolution less than my native, and... I just don't want to install the nvidia openGL drivers to see if that works, because nvidia says i shoudnt and i'm gonna take their word over a reddit post that swears they went from a 15fps crawl to a stable 60... this isnt the place to whine about NMS but i really feel hosed that i won't bea ble to enjoy the actually good space game i own when i lose my internet. i believe it was originally going to have an offline mode then they figured out that no non-supercomputer could handle the galaxy generation and background simulation in a reasonable amount of time and thus we have the quasi-mmo...thing we have now. Short answer: internet connection required.
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Isn't the internet side of this super low bandwidth? Like would it be fine to play using a tethered phone and you'd just have to wait slightly longer for station menus?
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