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Lol if you think it takes 3-5 mins to dig a poo poo hole in the middle of winter
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EccoRaven posted:except when votefinder is broken, so it's helpful to have say helpful tips on counting votes by hand produced by someone who still does it that way for whatever reason. It is because your argument boils down to the fact that because this was how something was done in the past that automatically means it has merit or is even better than how it is done now.
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Sep 8, 2016 17:25
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JakeP posted:It only takes 3-5 minutes of your life to dig a hole to poo poo in I can still see your posts, so your hole must not have been very deep.
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Sep 8, 2016 17:25
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EccoRaven posted:I can still see your posts, so your hole must not have been very deep. you werent supposed to get in the hole
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Sep 8, 2016 17:27
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Asiina posted:It is because your argument boils down to the fact that because this was how something was done in the past that automatically means it has merit or is even better than how it is done now. games where I have forced mods to hand count their votes: 0 games where I have complained to mods that they should hand counted their votes: 0 games where I have said "this would have been a better game, if only the mod hand counted the votes": 0 I choose to hand count my votes while still providing votefinder as a resource when people want it. Literally nobody is affected by my preferences other than me. But in a world where there is no votebot, I am around to tell people it's neither the end of mafia, nor is it totally unworkable - there are lots of things you can learn how to do in this time of privation and austerity that make it quite bearable until votebot comes back. So please, if you have a problem with my preferences then please just lump it, ok?
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Sep 8, 2016 17:29
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I don't mind votefinder but I want to never have it easily accessible for players ever again
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Sep 8, 2016 17:31
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She just has a problem with the justification you are using to back up why it is your preference because it is a logical falacy kash's argument for it has merit
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Sep 8, 2016 17:31
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What if instead of votefinder everybody who ever played mafia was thrown in prison? I think this is preferable in many ways.
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Sep 8, 2016 17:34
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Kashuno posted:I don't mind votefinder but I want to never have it easily accessible for players ever again Why? What does it take away for players to know the votecount?
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Sep 8, 2016 17:36
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CCKeane posted:What if instead of votefinder everybody who ever played mafia was thrown in prison? Then one day in the future some dude will come up with a new way to play mafia that doesn't involve being in prison, and ecco can argue that "In my day everyone played mafia by being incarcerated and that worked so..."
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Sep 8, 2016 17:37
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CapitalistPig posted:Why? What does it take away for players to know the votecount? Players do vote differently when they can't immediately check the current count; they vote more """naturally""" or whatever without considering how their vote is situated in the broader count, which I find slightly helps with a game's "flow." But a lot of these benefits are somewhat insubstantial stuff that others dismiss as either non-existing or outweighed by the utility. EccoRaven fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Sep 8, 2016 17:43
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I'm fine with votefinder or hand counting, since I don't mod games. Welp that's my two cents, thanks for checking it.
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Sep 8, 2016 17:44
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EccoRaven posted:Players do vote differently when they can't immediately check the current count; they vote more """naturally""" or whatever without considering how their vote is situated in the broader count, which I find slightly helps with a game's "flow." But a lot of these benefits are somewhat insubstantial stuff that others dismiss as either non-existing or outweighed by the utility. I guess, as a player, it just seems important to know who is currently voting who and if someone is close to being lynched. Like I'd be pissed if I voted someone and accidentally put them at -2 and allowed scum to rush the vote or whatever.
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Sep 8, 2016 17:44
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CapitalistPig posted:I guess, as a player, it just seems important to know who is currently voting who and if someone is close to being lynched. well I'd say in that case be more mindful of your vote - it shouldn't matter so much if you bring someone to -2 if you genuinely thought they were scum and needed to die. I feel like mafia players in general, especially in the (still-existing) votebot era, don't give their votes enough weight. But again this is one of those insubstantial things I talked about above. something I saw a long time ago on an IRC channel was doing votes only at the end of the day rather than throughout the day - that is, players simply spent the first half of the day posting cases and arguing about them and saying who they would vote for, then posting stopped save for votes over like 30 seconds (IRC, remember), then flip and night. I wonder how something similar would work for forums, ideally with the voting period being quickly enough that it wouldn't induce stagnation.
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Sep 8, 2016 17:47
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EccoRaven posted:well I'd say in that case be more mindful of your vote - it shouldn't matter so much if you bring someone to -2 if you genuinely thought they were scum and needed to die. I feel like mafia players in general, especially in the (still-existing) votebot era, don't give their votes enough weight. But again this is one of those insubstantial things I talked about above. You know, I know I tend to be slower to throw down a vote than most, I wonder if LEARNING THE ROPES in a pre votefinder world contributed.
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Sep 8, 2016 17:50
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That argument is also stupid. Just don't put the automatically refreshing one in your OP, if players are as lazy as you claim they won't want to go to the site either
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Sep 8, 2016 17:51
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I'm extremely lazy so I think that
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Sep 8, 2016 17:52
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Retro Futurist posted:That argument is also stupid. Just don't put the automatically refreshing one in your OP, if players are as lazy as you claim they won't want to go to the site either  I may start doing this, unless it causes some major backlash
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Sep 8, 2016 17:52
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Agree to disagree - if the information is there, I see no reason not to make it convenient for players. Introducing inconvenience is a surefire way to turn people off of an internet party game.
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Sep 8, 2016 17:56
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Kashuno posted:
There will be. What I do (mostly for aesthetic reasons) is put the image-count in my second post, and provide a little link at the top of my OP to jump to it. This makes people have to click twice, which maybe is enough of a barrier to keep the convenience low (since I hate that as we all know). Podima posted:Agree to disagree - if the information is there, I see no reason not to make it convenient for players. Introducing inconvenience is a surefire way to turn people off of an internet party game. well, I mean I didn't start including votebot information until like 2013 or so, and the main barrier to people joining my games was my caustic personality, not the lack of votebots.
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Sep 8, 2016 17:57
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"if we make information harder to find, then people will want to try harder and read more in our dead forum game that no one plays already" - excellent dead forum game moderators
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Sep 8, 2016 18:09
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Votefinder is a good thing. Hand counting votes is doable but is inferior for multiple reasons. Ecco is a relic from a bygone era and her words are not reflective of the community's opinion, please do not feed the troll !!
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Sep 8, 2016 18:11
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EccoRaven posted:well I'd say in that case be more mindful of your vote - it shouldn't matter so much if you bring someone to -2 if you genuinely thought they were scum and needed to die. I feel like mafia players in general, especially in the (still-existing) votebot era, don't give their votes enough weight. But again this is one of those insubstantial things I talked about above. people shouldnt care if theyre putting people at -2 but they should care more about their votes - oic
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Sep 8, 2016 18:12
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I like to think of myself as an artisan. Speaking of artisanal mafia games: I'm opening a game in a few minutes! Watch this space.
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Sep 8, 2016 18:13
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I think it's time for me to quit mafia
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Sep 8, 2016 18:14
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when i first joined the mafia community (this sickened me to type), i had huge disdain for old players like kash b/c i thought they were clueless about the game but now im totally convinced otherwise after seeing the magnificant play of other oldtimers like eccoraven and mills and such
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Sep 8, 2016 18:14
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im doing a thing where i dont call people retard or shithead anymore its gr8
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Sep 8, 2016 18:14
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MG3 posted:Wait AA is stuntastic??? Yhat son of a bitch tricked me i wish i had actually tricked you but no that's not me what mfer is purporting to be the great and mighty stuntastic
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Sep 8, 2016 18:15
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dongsbot 9000 posted:when i first joined the mafia community (this sickened me to type), i had huge disdain for old players like kash b/c i thought they were clueless about the game but now im totally convinced otherwise after seeing the magnificant play of other oldtimers like eccoraven and mills and such Why do you think Kashuno is an old time poster He's super new 2 me
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Sep 8, 2016 18:16
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Mills was not v good 
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Sep 8, 2016 18:17
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 ecco gives up artisanal mafia, opens italian eateries in new jersey
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Sep 8, 2016 18:18
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dongsbot 9000 posted:im doing a thing where i dont call people retard or shithead anymore its gr8 
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Sep 8, 2016 18:19
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Spiros posted:Why do you think Kashuno is an old time poster i actually dont care whos factually old or new in terms of years its more so a description of your brain and also whether you type w/ capital letters or not
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Sep 8, 2016 18:19
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Spiros posted:Why do you think Kashuno is an old time poster ya hes been here for like ~1 year?
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Sep 8, 2016 18:19
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Stuntastic posted:i wish i had actually tricked you but no that's not me what mfer is purporting to be the great and mighty stuntastic how loving much money do you spend on alt accounts/avs/namechanges, god drat
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Sep 8, 2016 18:20
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i figure your eyes must be twice as strong b/c you dont have ears so it probably hurts extra much to see my mean words on the screen
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Sep 8, 2016 18:20
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for the record, theres a 100% chance i keep it up and remember to type sarcastically instead of meanly b/c i am well-known for my well-crafted posts that are meticulously planned i apologise in advance to podima whos eyes i care about and everyone else whos eyes i also care about (make sure you remember to place the sarcasm in the right place)
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Sep 8, 2016 18:22
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I hope you are all having a nice day.
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Sep 8, 2016 18:23
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dongsbot 9000 posted:today is r u ok? day in australia
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dongsbot 9000 posted:i actually dont care whos factually old or new in terms of years its more so a description of your brain and also whether you type w/ capital letters or not 
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