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Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

COMMENCE THE RITE OF SHITPOSTING

greatn posted:

In Japan this character was 14. The translation says she's 18, and that's censorship. Now watch me dox an unrelated employee of the company and prove she's an escort and get her fired.

It was even better if I recall -- the localization team put more clothes on the totally-18-year-old-girl and they bitched about that too.

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Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

awesmoe posted:

If you dont pay for good journalism then you're gonna get bad journalism :frogbon:
Like, do you think that the people finding the pam bondi story or getting the background on brannon or finding the visa status of the trump modelling agency models or, yes, investigating the clinton foundation and checking whether there was corruption there - do you think they work for free?

No, and I think those people deserve the money they make because they earned it by doing their loving jobs.

The hacks who are enforcing false equivocation narratives are not doing their jobs and are actively working against the public good and the safety of the republic and they deserve to go out of business. lovely, dangerously disengenous "journalism" should be punished, not rewarded. Because we live in a society with freedom of the press, that punishment must take the form of the only type of protest these people understand: gently caress you, no payment for bad press, money talks. Do meaningful work and actually inform people in the truth or get rightfully called a massive prick.

On Terra Firma
Feb 12, 2008

awesmoe posted:

If you dont pay for good journalism then you're gonna get bad journalism :frogbon:
Like, do you think that the people finding the pam bondi story or getting the background on brannon or finding the visa status of the trump modelling agency models or, yes, investigating the clinton foundation and checking whether there was corruption there - do you think they work for free?

If we keep getting dowds and lauers they will be.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
I can't believe that they changed the female protagonist to 18. What was wrong with her being 17?

MY IMMERSION IS RUINED.

*is a 28 year old white dude*

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Phone posted:

I can't believe that they changed the female protagonist to 18. What was wrong with her being 17?

MY IMMERSION IS RUINED.

*is a 28 year old white dude*

https://twitter.com/aceattorneygame/status/773973311139086337

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

SquadronROE posted:

That's polls-plus. You're thinking of the now-cast, I think.

Your'e right, but still, way too early to freak out about this IMO.

FairGame
Jul 24, 2001

Der Kommander

Lightning Knight posted:

Lmao those hacks don't deserve a single dollar and can go get hosed. You don't owe major corporations jackshit and they aren't deserving of their positions if they'll happily let fascism march on for pageviews.

This is an extremely stupid take.

Remember that great Mother Jones article with the guy who posed as a prison guard for a while? It cost FAR more to produce than it made in digital revenue. The whole business model is wildly unsustainable as we're in the era of ad block, and Facebook Instant Articles eating into everyone's bottom line.

But if you think that people should provide you with ~content~ for free, then you're part of the problem. If you think that you should use ad block to get at that content for free, you are literally stealing. If you don't like a site with ads, don't go there at all (god knows there are some sites with loving autoplay videos and poo poo that I won't go to anymore.)

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat

Eschers Basement posted:

Yeah, honestly, if I had to write an SNL sketch to parody the different levels of expectations the media was setting for the candidates, I don't think it would've been much different from how Lauer acted last night.

Too late.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/282499

Edit: http://snltranscripts.jt.org/00/00bpress.phtml if you don't want to watch something on Hulu which is understandable.

Push El Burrito fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Sep 8, 2016

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

FairGame posted:

This is an extremely stupid take.

Remember that great Mother Jones article with the guy who posed as a prison guard for a while? It cost FAR more to produce than it made in digital revenue. The whole business model is wildly unsustainable as we're in the era of ad block, and Facebook Instant Articles eating into everyone's bottom line.

But if you think that people should provide you with ~content~ for free, then you're part of the problem. If you think that you should use ad block to get at that content for free, you are literally stealing. If you don't like a site with ads, don't go there at all (god knows there are some sites with loving autoplay videos and poo poo that I won't go to anymore.)

Mother Jones are good journalists who do good work. I said hacks, which is specific in this context because amazingly, not every journalist in America is a sell out who would happily push Donald Trump on us for pageviews.

These people are getting paid either way by the business that employ them, not be me watching their ads. And that business believes that crappy journalism sells best. It's up to us to prove that wrong by not rewarding them for their terrible behavior. We do not owe corporations a drat thing, full stop. Either they change and do proper journalism, in which case they will have earned their profits, or they don't and rightfully go out of business. But corporations are not owed profits by us, they earn it for providing a quality service. These people are not.

Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Sep 8, 2016

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004




I love localization weirdness



What the hell is with this 14 -> clothed 18 year old drama, is this a recent thing?

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


FairGame posted:

If you think that you should use ad block to get at that content for free, you are literally stealing.

It is literally not stealing.

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!
My problem with the Johnson gaff and the defense of "well most people don't know Aleppo/He thought it was an acronym" is that the biggest issue isn't that he didn't immediately know what Aleppo meant. Sure most people if asked about "the Syrian refugee crisis" could tell you at least something about it, as opposed to asking about "the Crisis in Aleppo". But Gary Johnson is running for president. He does need to be held to a higher standard. The issue is that this shows how little this crisis means to him. It shows how little the problem of almost 5 million refugees matters to him, and how little it matters to him that a major power in the Middle East is having such a deadly civil war that it's displacing enough people that it's causing global disruption.

It's not like he hasn't heard of it. It's been a major issue for years now. The Syrian Civil War didn't just happen at 4am the morning of this interview and he missed the briefing. This isn't defensible as "Well I'm human enough to admit what I don't know." This is not a niche issue, this is major world news. And even if you give him the benefit of the doubt with the acronym defense his further response was crap as well. Which makes sense since he has no policy position on Syria. The words "Syria", "Aleppo", and "Refugee" do not appear in any of Johnson's policy positions on his site under those relevant topics. Even elsewhere he has no position on Syria or the refugee crisis. The closest assumption you can make comes from his Foreign Policy page: "No Nation Building. No Policing the World. More Security Here at Home.". Most likely he has no plan because he doesn't plan on extending beyond America's borders. This is a man who wants to be placed in a position to handle crises like this saying that situations like this don't even register with him.

It's the standard libertarian "gently caress you, got mine" mentality but placed on a global scale. If Johnson is president, based on this answer, I'd be really worried about what the position of the United States of America would be with regards to global aid. We certainly aren't helping Middle Eastern Refugee's, given Johnson's current policy positions and today's comments. What about another type of disaster? What about the whole concept of US aid to allies? Hell, if there's another Hurricane Sandy or Katrina would Johnson just say "Well everyone should help how they can but that's up to each individual. However the Federal Government's money will be staying where it is"?

That's the real issue with his response.

FairGame
Jul 24, 2001

Der Kommander

Lightning Knight posted:

Mother Jones are good journalists who do good work. I said hacks, which is specific in this context because amazingly, not every journalist in America is a sell out who would happily push Donald Trump on us for pageviews.

These people are getting paid either way by the business that employ them, not be me watching their ads. And that business believes that crappy journalism sells best. It's up to us to prove that wrong by not rewarding them for their terrible behavior. We do not owe corporations a drat hint, full stop. Either they change and do proper journalism, in which case they will have earned their profits, or they don't and rightfully go out of business. But corporations are now owed profits by us, they earn it for providing a quality service. These people are not.

In your context a "hack" is "anyone who doesn't do the work that you, Lighting Knight, think is sufficient."

Which is stupid.

If you don't like something, don't read their poo poo. Consuming someone's poo poo WITHOUT paying for it is not only stealing, but it also defeats the purpose. Publishers see shitloads of traffic to dumb poo poo that lightning knight doesn't like, which begets more dumb poo poo that lightning knight doesn't like.


Andrast posted:

It is literally not stealing.

At best, it's the equivalent of going up to a newsstand, reading someone's newspapers and magazines, and then putting them back without paying for them. That strikes me as stealing. It also strikes me as "a thing I'm not going to get the denizens of somethingawful dot com" to agree with me on, so *shrug*

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Epic High Five posted:

What the hell is with this 14 -> clothed 18 year old drama, is this a recent thing?

Tokyo Mirage Sessions for the Wii U.

Ironically the localization is really good and the big thing people complained about with regards to censorship actually makes more sense than the original, but y'know bikinis.

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

hiddenriverninja posted:

I've been seeing this "22 for 22" thing pop up on social media where people do pushups or burpees or something to promote awareness about veteran suicides. Maybe that's where he got it from?

22 military suicides a day was from a report released in 2013. It is where the 22 pushup thing came from. The VA revised that number to 20 in July.

botany
Apr 27, 2013

by Lowtax

FairGame posted:

At best, it's the equivalent of going up to a newsstand, reading someone's newspapers and magazines, and then putting them back without paying for them. That strikes me as stealing. It also strikes me as "a thing I'm not going to get the denizens of somethingawful dot com" to agree with me on, so *shrug*

that might be because you're wrong

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

FairGame posted:

At best, it's the equivalent of going up to a newsstand, reading someone's newspapers and magazines, and then putting them back without paying for them. That strikes me as stealing. It also strikes me as "a thing I'm not going to get the denizens of somethingawful dot com" to agree with me on, so *shrug*

... Do libraries not exist where you come from?

My local library literally has newspaper and stuff available. Larger ones have back issues of newspaper and stuff too.

Are you saying libraries are stealing? :psyduck:

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

FairGame posted:

In your context a "hack" is "anyone who doesn't do the work that you, Lighting Knight, think is sufficient."

Which is stupid.


At best, it's the equivalent of going up to a newsstand, reading someone's newspapers and magazines, and then putting them back without paying for them. That strikes me as stealing. It also strikes me as "a thing I'm not going to get the denizens of somethingawful dot com" to agree with me on, so *shrug*

A hack is someone who doesn't report literal factual truth. Like "Donald Trump is a racist bald-faced liar." That's not a political opinion, that is the reality we live in.

I don't feel like opening the "is copying something that doesn't physically exist and remains with its original owners after the fact stealing" can of worms.

FairGame
Jul 24, 2001

Der Kommander

ImpAtom posted:

... Do libraries not exist where you come from?

My local library literally has newspaper and stuff available. Larger ones have back issues of newspaper and stuff too.

Are you saying libraries are stealing? :psyduck:

How...how do you think the library acquires their newspapers, books, and magazines in the first place?

they pay for them

e: though I guess that reminds of an interesting story where some country has banned the sharing of newspapers because their newspaper industry was going out of business as a result.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

Epic High Five posted:

I love localization weirdness



What the hell is with this 14 -> clothed 18 year old drama, is this a recent thing?

The only one I can think of is the latest Persona game (Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE). They made the 17 year olds 18 year olds and made a cinematic with a centaur-esque demon have smoke covering up an anime bikini.

This. Will. Not. Stand.

Nintendo: you're done messing with MY video games. (Please ignore the fact that 90% of the PS Vita's catalogue are boobie games)

E: I forgot about the bikini DLC being turned into normal outfits NINTENDOOOOOOOOOO :argh:

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc
i think adblockers suck but I use them because of sites that abuse them

which sucks a lot for sites that don't abuse them

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

FairGame posted:

How...how do you think the library acquires their newspapers, books, and magazines in the first place?

they pay for them

... So? What does this have to do with your point?

Would you be complaining if someone posted the entirety of the article on Somethingawful after reading it on their own account?

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug

Lightning Knight posted:

No, and I think those people deserve the money they make because they earned it by doing their loving jobs.

The hacks who are enforcing false equivocation narratives are not doing their jobs and are actively working against the public good and the safety of the republic and they deserve to go out of business. lovely, dangerously disengenous "journalism" should be punished, not rewarded. Because we live in a society with freedom of the press, that punishment must take the form of the only type of protest these people understand: gently caress you, no payment for bad press, money talks. Do meaningful work and actually inform people in the truth or get rightfully called a massive prick.
They did good journalism, and the internet happened, and they stopped making money. then they had to change the way they did journalism. Other organizations learned that the only way to make money is clickbaity bullshit and headlines, and so now good journalism is turning to that, because it's not a charity. Maybe it should be! but it's not.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the horserace bullshit and I'm absolutely not defending whatever the gently caress the ny times is doing recently with the rewriting stories and that crap, but look, if you don't pay for (eg) the washington post, based on the reporting they've been doing this election cycle, then don't expect them to be around in 2020 or 2024.

Like, your "protest" only works if you were paying in the first place. Otherwise they lose something they never had, and maybe if they had it in the first place they would have done better.

radical meme
Apr 17, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

greatn posted:

What happens to men like that when they finally lose that dominance?

Even if and when white people become the minority compared to all other social segments, white people will still control the majority of money. So under the current political system, white people will control the government into the foreseeable future.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

awesmoe posted:

They did good journalism, and the internet happened, and they stopped making money. then they had to change the way they did journalism. Other organizations learned that the only way to make money is clickbaity bullshit and headlines, and so now good journalism is turning to that, because it's not a charity. Maybe it should be! but it's not.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the horserace bullshit and I'm absolutely not defending whatever the gently caress the ny times is doing recently with the rewriting stories and that crap, but look, if you don't pay for (eg) the washington post, based on the reporting they've been doing this election cycle, then don't expect them to be around in 2020 or 2024.

Like, your "protest" only works if you were paying in the first place. Otherwise they lose something they never had, and maybe if they had it in the first place they would have done better.

Cool fan fiction, idiot.

Who owns the WSJ? Who owns the NYT?

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

theflyingorc posted:

i think adblockers suck but I use them because of sites that abuse them

which sucks a lot for sites that don't abuse them

IIRC you can set which sites do and don't get blocked

Annoying sites that have auto-play things that routinely crash my browser gets blocked.

Sites that don't I'll allow even if I don't click on the adds.

turn it up TURN ME ON
Mar 19, 2012

In the Grim Darkness of the Future, there is only war.

...and delicious ice cream.
Three cheers for the new Apartheid and the Libertarian/Republican party that supports it!

kaleedity
Feb 27, 2016



what's the cost of handling adware and other malware served by compromised ads? is an IT manager that blocks ads in order to protect their network committing thievery? Have you seen the javascript poo poo that typical news sites run on folks' systems? I mean typical news sites like cnn or nbc.

incompetent
Jun 4, 2013

radical meme posted:

Even if and when white people become the minority compared to all other social segments, white people will still control the majority of money. So under the current political system, white people will control the government into the foreseeable future.

But Jews are not white people.

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

A Winner is Jew posted:

IIRC you can set which sites do and don't get blocked

you can but I am a very lazy internet user

i should do that but i don't, oh well

A Winner is Jew
Feb 14, 2008

by exmarx

incompetent posted:

But Jews are not white people.

... :whatup:

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

SquadronROE posted:

Three cheers for the new Apartheid and the Libertarian/Republican party that supports it!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXpuRIZzJog

FairGame
Jul 24, 2001

Der Kommander

theflyingorc posted:

i think adblockers suck but I use them because of sites that abuse them

which sucks a lot for sites that don't abuse them

Yeah. In theory whitelisting solves this, but it's far easier to just blanket "block all ads; gently caress everyone."

ImpAtom posted:

... So? What does this have to do with your point?

Would you be complaining if someone posted the entirety of the article on Somethingawful after reading it on their own account?

My point is that if you are using ad block, you are not paying for what you consume. Which only increases the ad burdens on sites for the poor bastards who aren't using ad block. You seem to want to treat the entire Internet as a library. Which it isn't. Sorry poo poo doesn't work that way; it would be really nice if it did but instead we're rapidly approaching a moment where poo poo gets bad enough that essentially everything is run through Facebook.

And yes, I absolutely would complain if someone posted gated content on somethingawful. That's just another way of circumventing a paywall and it's a lovely thing to do.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

FairGame posted:

And yes, I absolutely would complain if someone posted gated content on somethingawful. That's just another way of circumventing a paywall and it's a lovely thing to do.

So you want information to be for-pay and you don't see the issue with that?

Like we're not talking about video games here, we're talking about a news article. That is absolutely not something that should be limited only to people who pay for it. There is an actual vested public interest in that information being widely available.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
Guys please don't block ads. *loud rear end siren goes off as a flash ad plays infecting your computer with ransomware and you'll never see those dick pics again*

awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug

Phone posted:

Cool fan fiction, idiot.

Who owns the WSJ? Who owns the NYT?

Great and i'm so proud of you for fighting the good fight, but can you explain how you personally support and encourage good journalism? Cos dude if your idea is better than mine I'm all ears!

FairGame
Jul 24, 2001

Der Kommander

ImpAtom posted:

So you want information to be for-pay and you don't see the issue with that?

I don't see the issue with "having to see a few ads* when I read information," no.

*provided the ads aren't filled with malware, browser-crashing, auto-play video, or the litany of other annoyances that users really shouldn't have to deal with.

ImpAtom posted:

Like we're not talking about video games here, we're talking about a news article. That is absolutely not something that should be limited only to people who pay for it. There is an actual vested public interest in that information being widely available.

Other than like, PBS, please name a news organization in any medium that doesn't rely on ad revenue.

You seem to be trying to shift the argument toward "people should have to pay money to get access to the news" rather than "people should not use ad block, which is stealing."

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

awesmoe posted:

Great and i'm so proud of you for fighting the good fight, but can you explain how you personally support and encourage good journalism? Cos dude if your idea is better than mine I'm all ears!

Answer the questions.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



FairGame posted:

I don't see the issue with "having to see a few ads* when I read information," no.

*provided the ads aren't filled with malware, browser-crashing, auto-play video, or the litany of other annoyances that users really shouldn't have to deal with.
Yeah I wouldn't mind if they just had visual ads or the like, but instead it's all that nasty poo poo because they don't give a gently caress. If they could force you to open the other website I'm sure they would.

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Random Asshole
Nov 8, 2010

FairGame posted:

In your context a "hack" is "anyone who doesn't do the work that you, Lighting Knight, think is sufficient."

Which is stupid.

If you don't like something, don't read their poo poo. Consuming someone's poo poo WITHOUT paying for it is not only stealing, but it also defeats the purpose. Publishers see shitloads of traffic to dumb poo poo that lightning knight doesn't like, which begets more dumb poo poo that lightning knight doesn't like.


At best, it's the equivalent of going up to a newsstand, reading someone's newspapers and magazines, and then putting them back without paying for them. That strikes me as stealing. It also strikes me as "a thing I'm not going to get the denizens of somethingawful dot com" to agree with me on, so *shrug*

Gosh, my local Barnes & Noble is chock full of thieves!

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