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here is the story of the hurricane the coolest item in this goddamn game
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Some pros still go I.e rush but in most cases bf into zeal. Completing bf is only good if u are rushing Essence Reaver or Duskblade. U could go bf>zerkers>i.e if u want to delay zeal item. Completed Zeal item is much better than I.e though. Zeal completed item can give waveclear and better teamfighting but i.e only gives flat dmg.
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Sep 8, 2016 19:55
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Endorph posted:skipping to 7:49 is a proclick Im honestly kinda glad tyler1 got the attention he did because we get glorious moments like this, I just want him to tell people to not troll games
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Sep 8, 2016 21:18
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Tyler1 has a very unfortunately shaped head
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Sep 8, 2016 21:59
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Libertine posted:You can see on both pro builds and in pro games that there is wide disagreement about this even on the champions you mention. You are coming down in favor of Hurricane first, I'm coming down in favor of Zeal-item second in all circumstances. No, I actually did the math (although IE is 70 AD and not 65, mea culpa). 15 extra damage/auto is not a fair trade for 40% AS and the Runaan's passive. IE and ER do not provide any power spikes when complete. IE gives 3650g worth of combat stats (it is a pure stat stick) and ER 3250g (+ some utility that is harder to quantify). Compare to items that actually do, like Ghostblade (+10 armor pen, an active) or Bork (% health passive, active), Shiv (lightning passive) or Runaan's (secondary bolts). Note that BF sword provides 100g more AD than just buying longswords, so the remaining components of IE (including the complete cost) are -50g efficient, and ER is -450g (it only actually becomes gold efficient after completing your Zeal item ... which is exactly why you build the Zeal item first). The 'wide disagreement' you refer to is false. On Ashe on Probuilds among ADC mains: Deft, Imaqtpie, Steelback, Loken, Stitch, Pilot, Fury, Sneaky, Kramer -- Runaan's first Loken -- IE first Pray: ER first, but finishes zeal before ER even when he could have finished ER. On Jinx: Sneaky, Loken, Stitch, Arrow, Steelback -- Runaan's first Pray, LOD -- IE first On Caitlyn: Sneaky, Doublelift, Loken, Maple, Pilot, Stixxay, LOD, Arrow -- Runaan's first Fury -- IE first The only other crit builder in the current meta is Sivir, and people actually do consistently build her ER first -- but unlike the others she doesn't build Runaan's, is less of an autoattacker, and has no particular synergy with any of the Zeal items (and is by far the most mana intensive of those 4 champions). blah_blah fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Sep 8, 2016 |
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Sep 8, 2016 23:16
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You are cherry picking the games on probuilds. In the last 20 Jinx games where either item was completed, there's 10 games of IE>Hurricane and 10 games of Hurricane>IE. I'd count the others right now but since I did earlier today I can tell you did the same for those as well. Like I said, it's totally split.
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Sep 8, 2016 23:56
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Libertine posted:The problem is that Gnar and Yasuo have bullshit overloaded kits that make Frozen Mallet ridiculous, so instead of not making them bullshit, they just nerf Mallet because that's actually way easier to do quickly. Does GNAR! even really need the extra crowd control from that? He just vomits crowd control nonstop with even the tiniest amount of CDR so an extra slow is like "meh." I generally build him Cleaver -> Tank, aiming for 30% or 40% CDR and just be a disruptive poo poo bag all game that won't die, ever.
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Sep 8, 2016 23:58
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It makes mini Gnar absurdly difficult to escape since he can combo his AAs with Q over and over to perma slow people, then use Hop/Crunch to pincer the person he is diving. It also absolutely shits on melee lane champions while giving him a bunch of HP. It's a really good offensive + defensive item for him.
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Sep 9, 2016 01:30
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yeah, it makes him basically an unmatched split pusher. i don't think there's a single champ who can itemize to survive against him and also be useful in any other way, while also probably not even being able to defend his split push
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Sep 9, 2016 01:33
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oh poo poo kog'maw is back BABAY!!!! http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/NZK9A5NP-upcoming-kogmaw-changes 
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Sep 9, 2016 02:12
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rabidsquid posted:oh poo poo kog'maw is back BABAY!!!! holy poo poo thank loving god welcome back puke dog
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Sep 9, 2016 02:18
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kinda makes me sad for wacky onhit builds, both present and future cant they just make it so that he can slide on his belly through the puke trail while attacking, that would be cute
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Sep 9, 2016 02:42
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rabidsquid posted:oh poo poo kog'maw is back BABAY!!!! Is...is this the first time riot just full on went backwards?
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Sep 9, 2016 03:08
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nice
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Sep 9, 2016 03:15
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Kog maw is back baby
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Sep 9, 2016 03:17
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Libertine posted:You are cherry picking the games on probuilds. In the last 20 Jinx games where either item was completed, there's 10 games of IE>Hurricane and 10 games of Hurricane>IE. I didn't cherrypick anything. I picked games from actual pro ADCs in major regions and unsurprisingly those substantially favor the superior build.
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Sep 9, 2016 03:57
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Why aren't they reverting his ult too? Bring back AP Kog...
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Sep 9, 2016 06:04
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i lost a bot game
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Sep 9, 2016 09:36
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rabidsquid posted:oh poo poo kog'maw is back BABAY!!!! "No plans to revert any other updates" God dammit Give me old graves back
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Sep 9, 2016 09:41
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Luna Was Here posted:"No plans to revert any other updates" My man. Why did they change him again? I have the sneaking the suspicion that it was something like "because we feel like it".
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Sep 9, 2016 10:28
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Firebert posted:Why aren't they reverting his ult too? Bring back AP Kog... i think they specifically do not want ap kog coming back, which is a shame, but i loved old adc kog so much i can live with it.
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Sep 9, 2016 11:45
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Zoidomania posted:My man. Why did they change him again?
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Sep 9, 2016 11:57
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one of the best parts about them reverting kog is that in the post they admit that kog already had a really unique niche and had perfectly fine long term character design. it always bugged me that they said "we need to rework kog so we can tool him to be a real late game carry and to have a unique niche" when he was already the late game carry, and he had the most unique kit of any adc to begin with
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Sep 9, 2016 12:07
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Looke posted:i lost a bot game I've lost 11 in 700. I know one of those was a troll throw, the other 10... 
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Sep 9, 2016 13:32
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I don't think I've ever played a bot game (as my lovely CSing attests to)
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Sep 9, 2016 13:36
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now when will they give us back old shen
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Sep 9, 2016 13:36
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rabidsquid posted:one of the best parts about them reverting kog is that in the post they admit that kog already had a really unique niche and had perfectly fine long term character design. it always bugged me that they said "we need to rework kog so we can tool him to be a real late game carry and to have a unique niche" when he was already the late game carry, and he had the most unique kit of any adc to begin with I'm pretty sure that was just after-the-fact reasoning, and the actual reason was "we want all these ADC's to have new gimmicks" I really like new graves, old one felt kind of awkward and meh. Honestly the ADC patch is second only to the mage patch for me in terms of making heroes I wasn't interested in really fun (I pretty much never touched Caitlyn, now I marathon her whenever she's free)
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Sep 9, 2016 13:48
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Endorph posted:now when will they give us back old shen better yet, put him in the game alongside current shen so that both teams can pick him. bring back the two shen glory meta
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Sep 9, 2016 13:51
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Endorph posted:now when will they give us back old shen New Shen is way better, honestly. Shen's old kit was boring af.
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Sep 9, 2016 13:51
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Sexpansion posted:New Shen is way better, honestly. Shen's old kit was boring af. old shen was boring af but new shen is boring af and has that dumb sword
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Sep 9, 2016 13:54
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Sexpansion posted:New Shen is way better, honestly. Shen's old kit was boring af. It was fun chucking swords at stuff and AP shen was pretty funny. I imagine all the shield amps and ap ratio items would make him even funnier. New shen's problem for me is that he's just kind of awkward to play, and working with his gimmick doesn't really provide immense value; you just do it because its braindead to hit Q after taunting.
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Sep 9, 2016 13:54
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old shen was a boring piece of poo poo split pusher with free poke
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Sep 9, 2016 13:58
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I would take old Shen back because he could much more easily ranged CS in difficult lanes with old Q. New Shen is exactly the same as old Shen except the added a layer of needless complexity to make him "fun & interactive"  Nothing more fun than dragging an imaginary TPA thunderstick around the map all game.
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Sep 9, 2016 13:58
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what a shame, less resourceless free ranged poke in the game
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Sep 9, 2016 13:59
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rabidsquid posted:old shen was a boring piece of poo poo split pusher with free poke yeah. also what was really annoying is that he had lots of free sustain. i don't think pure tanks should have in-lane sustain because it removes what's supposed to be the weakness of their class (they are very tanky so you can't burst them down, instead you're meant to wear them down over time). like, what was his weakness? i don't even know maokai is similarly hitler when he's good for this reason
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Sep 9, 2016 14:14
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shen tip: instead of aiming for optimal sword placement, land your taunt and then stand on them with sunfire. it's simple, it's good. as long as that's preserved, who cares what riot changes his Q and W to next?
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Sep 9, 2016 14:17
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if there has to be tanks toplane id rather it be shen and gnar than maokai and ekko at least. maybe bring sion back, he was cool.
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Sep 9, 2016 14:17
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Old Shen could flex support, at least, and that was fun to play/watch. I don't really have an issue with new Shen but I don't think the ghost-sword makes any sense for his LOOOORE or character so it's kind of irritating, also it just doesn't seem to DO all that much. Like, I haven't seen people do sick outplays via sword positioning, it's not even a good zoning tool. It presents no actual threat on it's own. I think this is kinda due to not being able to throw it forwards into any kind of threatening position, and the enemy team being completely unable to interact with it.
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Sep 9, 2016 14:23
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the sword possesses threat because its literally percent health damage turned on if you can land it. its actually a huge deal and totally changes whether or not you can fight.
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Sep 9, 2016 14:26
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Yeah but positioning the sword is literally a matter of having the SUMMON SWORD button available or not. It's not like Orianna where there's outplay potential or solid micro.
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