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This election is giving me crazy strong 2000-style "they're all the same, man" vibes.
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lol, gently caress
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Sep 9, 2016 18:14
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Joementum posted:The annoying thing is that Democrats have wildly overstated the threat Putin poses to American interests because they think it helps attack Trump. Like, there are still people talking about how he's going to hack voting machines this fall. I haven't really heard much from Dems about Putin being a direct threat to America - just that he's a brutal, authoritarian leader who is currently helping prop up another brutal, authoritarian leader in Syria.
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Sep 9, 2016 18:14
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https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/774293245186740224 I'm the first response that says "actually these numbers are good for Trump."
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Sep 9, 2016 18:15
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DaveWoo posted:I haven't really heard much from Dems about Putin being a direct threat to America - just that he's a brutal, authoritarian leader who is currently helping prop up another brutal, authoritarian leader in Syria. and currently overtly trying to install a brutal, authoritarian leader in the US
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Sep 9, 2016 18:16
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have we considered that maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle
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Sep 9, 2016 18:18
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Montasque posted:https://twitter.com/CNN/status/774293293517725696 
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Sep 9, 2016 18:18
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TwinsensRevenge posted:christ what an awful logo. looks like someone just finished playing deus ex and had a brand portfolio to turn in that day haha I was thinking the exact same thing altright jenson
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Sep 9, 2016 18:18
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:and currently overtly trying to install a brutal, authoritarian leader in the US i dont know if i believe that theres a concerted effort going on, tbh. theres just considerable overlap between Trump sleaze and Russian sleaze
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Sep 9, 2016 18:18
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Joementum posted:The annoying thing is that Democrats have wildly overstated the threat Putin poses to American interests because they think it helps attack Trump. Like, there are still people talking about how he's going to hack voting machines this fall. I think one thing that has been unnoticed is how deft and focused US policy has been in Ukraine quote:After initially supporting Shokin, U.S. and E.U. officials soured on him. To pressure Poroshenko into removing him, the Obama Administration withheld a billion dollars in loan guarantees. (Ukrainians began calling Shokin “the billion-dollar man.”) A senior official in the White House told me that Vice-President Joe Biden spoke to Poroshenko by phone every few weeks and made it clear that, as far as additional loan guarantees were concerned, “you can meet every single other condition, but until you replace this guy you are not getting this money.” The article is also notable for this paragraph quote:Yanukovych’s return to power was guided by the American political strategist Paul Manafort, who helped to reinvent his client as a businesslike manager—not necessarily likable but an antidote to the disastrous political circus overseen by Yushchenko and Tymoshenko. Manafort also counselled Yanukovych to seize on the country’s geographic and linguistic divides, and play to the grievances of his home region, the Russian-speaking Donbass, in the country’s east. Leshchenko described Manafort’s approach: “He tried to create fissures within Ukrainian society and use them to score political points.” http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/09/05/reforming-ukraine-after-maidan
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Sep 9, 2016 18:18
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Eonwe posted:have we considered that maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle Yes, it turns out that we should all vote Constitution party instead.
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Sep 9, 2016 18:18
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I gazed into the future and here are some excerpts from the debate: MODERATOR: (to Trump) You've been associated with the so-called 'Birther Movement' in the past. Do you now think that President Obama was born in the United States? TRUMP: Yes I do, and furthermore it was actually Hillary who started the Birther Movement in 2008. (blah blah blah) MODERATOR: (to Trump) You seem to have an affinity with Russian President Vladimir Putin, who many have described as authoritarian. Do you think Putin is a good leader? TRUMP: Listen, Putin is a bad man. But we need stronger leadership. Obama is weak. Hillary... (blah blah blah) MODERATOR: (asks Hillary about emails for the seventh time) HILLARY: Well you see, technically... TRUMP: (interrupts) She's a liar! She's lying right now! CNN HEADLINE AFTER DEBATE: "A strong performance for Trump...very presidential"
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Sep 9, 2016 18:20
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Eonwe posted:have we considered that maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle you're welcome to check 
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paranoid randroid posted:i dont know if i believe that theres a concerted effort going on, tbh. theres just considerable overlap between Trump sleaze and Russian sleaze no its worse than that u need to freak out
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Sep 9, 2016 18:22
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please never leave us again joe
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Sep 9, 2016 18:23
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I'm way late here, but ha ha ha at Geraldo trying to cover for his shitheadedness. gently caress that guy. "I learned Tuesday September 6th that after being enthusiastically received, because of my uninformed support of Mr. Ailes, and the relatively flattering portrayal of him in an early manuscript of my war memoir, 'Geraldo of Arabia, From Tora Bora to Trump,' as a direct result, HarperCollins has chosen not to publish," Rivera wrote.
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Sep 9, 2016 18:23
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The thing I am most looking forward to during the debate is Hillary fact checking Trump by citing a 2012 Howard Stern appearance. If she ends her take down with "Baba booey" she will win the white male vote.
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Sep 9, 2016 18:23
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Slate Action posted:This election is giving me crazy strong 2000-style "they're all the same, man" vibes. I blame it on voters too young to remember 2000 Bush v Gore or voters who do remember it but are too stupid to understand the fallout.
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Sep 9, 2016 18:24
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Slate Action posted:I gazed into the future and here are some excerpts from the debate: I think you're ascribing a little too much coherence to Trump here, but basically.
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Sep 9, 2016 18:25
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Montasque posted:https://twitter.com/CNN/status/774293293517725696 They dont have enough pixels at CNN to fill it with Trump Things
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Sep 9, 2016 18:25
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paranoid randroid posted:i keep seeing people like Mark Ames tutting about democrats ginning up a new Red Scare Jeeeez guy, I haven't seen a Mark Ames article in forever. Where are you reading him at?
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Sep 9, 2016 18:25
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radical meme posted:Jeeeez guy, I haven't seen a Mark Ames article in forever. Where are you reading him at? twitter and podcast interviews mostly
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Sep 9, 2016 18:26
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Montasque posted:The thing I am most looking forward to during the debate is Hillary fact checking Trump by citing a 2012 Howard Stern appearance. If she ends her take down with "Baba booey" she will win the white male vote. In all seriousness Clinton should beware. Having the right facts and throwing them in Trumps face may not win her the debate. Is nerds think so, but debate performance is so much more than knowing stuff.
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Sep 9, 2016 18:26
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radical meme posted:Jeeeez guy, I haven't seen a Mark Ames article in forever. Where are you reading him at? He was doing a podcast with the War Nerd last I saw, it was pretty fun but I'm not paying $10 month for it
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Sep 9, 2016 18:27
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Vladimir Putin posted:In all seriousness Clinton should beware. Having the right facts and throwing them in Trumps face may not win her the debate. Is nerds think so, but debate performance is so much more than knowing stuff. Clinton is a good debater, both in style and substance. She's proven this many times and coherently beat Obama every single time in 2008. Her problem is less the debate and more the way that Trump voters and the media responds to Trump in general.
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Sep 9, 2016 18:28
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heres a good interview with Ames about the right wings long-time connection with Russian interests https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bRZkHQyQgM
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Sep 9, 2016 18:28
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Schnorkles posted:https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/774293245186740224 Whenever I see posts like those I want to add them on Twitter just to bask in their election day meltdowns
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Sep 9, 2016 18:29
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i dont think debates will matter unless one of them shits their pants or something really really really embarrassing happens even then tho
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Sep 9, 2016 18:29
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Debates are one of those dumb pieces of political theater that everybody ascribes more importance to than they deserve. The bigger unknown this year is that there are still a lot of undecided and third-party voters comparatively speaking, and sudden events closer to election day could have a larger impact.
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Sep 9, 2016 18:29
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with the polls shifting slightly toward trump, are there any real electoral changes? I keep seeing a lot of talk about shifting polls toward trump, but if the polls aren't shifting in states where a shift matters, then the shift doesnt really matter
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Sep 9, 2016 18:30
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Hobo Clown posted:Whenever I see posts like those I want to add them on Twitter just to bask in their election day meltdowns For reference he's down around 5-20 points in each state vs '12 exits. Most importantly a large decline in NC, Ohio, and Florida. Someone who knows more about politics should tell me about Ohio's latino population, because they seem coherently more republican than even Florida's cuban section.
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Sep 9, 2016 18:31
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so is hillary winning in like every swing state but barely winning nationally a sign that she's just losing by higher %s in red states than she's winning in blue ones?
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Sep 9, 2016 18:31
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exquisite tea posted:Debates are one of those dumb pieces of political theater that everybody ascribes more importance to than they deserve. The bigger unknown this year is that there are still a lot of undecided and third-party voters comparatively speaking, and sudden events closer to election day could have a larger impact. its amazing to me that people could be at this point and have no clue who they are voting for you either like crazy orange clown man's strongman tactics or you don't, I dont get what there is to 'decide on'
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Sep 9, 2016 18:31
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Eonwe posted:with the polls shifting slightly toward trump, are there any real electoral changes? I keep seeing a lot of talk about shifting polls toward trump, but if the polls aren't shifting in states where a shift matters, then the shift doesnt really matter Georgia and Arizona aren't actually in play. Ohio, Iowa and maybe NC and Florida are tight. That's about it.
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Sep 9, 2016 18:31
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For reference, you will see national trends manifest in state polls. It's just that its really hard for Trump to breach the 273 firewall that Clinton has. If there's a series of polls putting Clinton down in: Pennsylvania, Colorado, NH, or Virginia you are allowed to panic.
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Sep 9, 2016 18:33
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TwinsensRevenge posted:christ what an awful logo. looks like someone just finished playing deus ex and had a brand portfolio to turn in that day I would not want to bet against that theory
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exquisite tea posted:Debates are one of those dumb pieces of political theater that everybody ascribes more importance to than they deserve. The bigger unknown this year is that there are still a lot of undecided and third-party voters comparatively speaking, and sudden events closer to election day could have a larger impact. the most dramatic thing i can see coming out of the debates is Hillary picking up a few points from soft supporters sighing heavily and saying "yeah okay fine i guess ill vote for her," much like how Romney garnered a bump from GOP support firming up behind him
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Sep 9, 2016 18:34
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The only way the debates change the narrative is if Trump knocks it out of the park(He wont)
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Eonwe posted:its amazing to me that people could be at this point and have no clue who they are voting for NPR did a section yesterday interviewing an undecided millennial voter in Florida and it felt like a calibrated hit piece designed to make people hate millennials even more.
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