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I do wonder how long will it take the neoliberals tecnocrats to cosy up to the neo-authoritarian leaders as they progressively grab leadership positions. Probably not long.
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54.4 crowns posted:OK, I need to type this out as belated theraphy because the realisation loving broke me. If I understood your posts correctly: Yeah, the refugees are completely inconsequential and most of Europe had multiple much larger refugee waves over the last couple of decades without any issues. It's all just scaremongering and distraction tactics that the right wing parties use to get in power and gently caress everyone over. This tactic is as old as humanity and Russia is obviously very supportive of Europeans weakening themes by electing these clowns. Poland is probably the best and funniest example. Piiisssss got elected over something like taking in 100(?) refugees. And now Poles have to live with piiiisss loving everyone over for years and running the rule of law and the country into the ground. It's gonna take years to repair all the damage after they are done pissing over everything.
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waitwhatno posted:If I understood your posts correctly: OK, I really deserve a hit in the noggin if these gimmicky posts of mine are so strung out. What I really wanted to point out is that Putin by indirect and direct consequences is a huge driver of refugees, and the responce is to fellate the fucker? Nationalists truly are the dumbest of fucks.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I'm pretty happy about it's death TBH. National borders are such a quaint and outdated concept, get hosed.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:National borders are such a quaint and outdated concept, get hosed.
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blowfish posted:National borders are such a quaint and outdated concept, get hosed. Bitch some more, see if it helps. The death of the euro project will be great for workers rights and a great backlash for the neoliberals and free trade wankers.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Bitch some more, see if it helps. The death of the euro project will be great for workers rights and a great backlash for the neoliberals and free trade wankers. Here's the horrible truth that I would have thought even some of the dumber leftists would have realized after the Brexit debacle. The European project is all about neoliberalism and free trade wankery because the constituent parts are madly in love with neoliberalism and free trade wankery. Additionally Popular anti-EU sentiment tends to be really xenophobic.
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khwarezm posted:Here's the horrible truth that I would have thought even some of the dumber leftists would have realized after the Brexit debacle. The European project is all about neoliberalism and free trade wankery because the constituent parts are madly in love with neoliberalism and free trade wankery. Additionally Popular anti-EU sentiment tends to be really xenophobic. Pretty sure even the dumbest leftist like me realised what the nature of the EU was after Greece. It's only the fact that eurosceptics are either xenophobic or literally fascists that keeps the parties from publically admitting the fact. The project is over, and I wanna see neolibs hanging from branches for the fact.
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khwarezm posted:Here's the horrible truth that I would have thought even some of the dumber leftists would have realized after the Brexit debacle. The European project is all about neoliberalism and free trade wankery because the constituent parts are madly in love with neoliberalism and free trade wankery. Additionally Popular anti-EU sentiment tends to be really xenophobic. Good thing it's dead.
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Sep 9, 2016 22:44
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Can't wait till we invade England. I'll be singing this while coming for Johnny Englishman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gC_152tUQo
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Kurtofan posted:Can't wait till we invade England. Not this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE70jrhOrjk
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Nonsense posted:Good thing it's dead. Kill the EU and Neoliberalism will only return, stronger, faster, sexier.
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Sep 9, 2016 22:58
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Kopijeger posted:Not this one? Austerlitz 2 Electric Boogaloo
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France invading a country that has only existed in the minds of Tories and Sun readers for the past 300 years would be a good thing. They could all have a fight on some lovely east coast beach and nothing of value would be lost. Unless you mean taking over the football team, but why would you even want to?
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I'm partial to this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-srLjMRjoVI
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Yes, and they are. That's why most of them are in NATO. Soon momma Hillary will take over from big Daddy and shield us with threat of nuclear destruction.
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I wonder if Trump would dissolve NATO if he became president like he said he would? That would be awesome. Can you imagine T72s rolling down the streets of Berlin? The Socialist Worker's Paradise finally realized under Czar Putin!
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54.4 crowns posted:OK, I really deserve a hit in the noggin if these gimmicky posts of mine are so strung out. You blame Russia but don't see what USA is doing? Remember Iraq? Or Libya? Or USA's involvement in Syria? You should maybe also watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw Russia isn't innocent, but god drat is USA the biggest problem causer.
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fits my needs posted:I wonder if Trump would dissolve NATO if he became president like he said he would? That's why France spends like one third of its defense budget on independent nuclear deterrence.
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khwarezm posted:Kill the EU and Neoliberalism will only return, stronger, faster, sexier. Hey, I am interested in your train of thought. Can you detail what you mean? I want to understand if what you mean the EU is a protection or a roadbump of neoliberalism, or rather, what do you see the role of the EU as it is today. If you have the time and inclination.
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lmao(laughing my rear end off) if you think the EU is going anywhere. I thought people were talking about the eurozone, which might really be in danger if the south rises up, but you gotta be a special kind of delusional if you think the EU is in any kind of real danger.
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:You blame Russia but don't see what USA is doing? Remember Iraq? Or Libya? Or USA's involvement in Syria? You should maybe also watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw I don't know what's real anymore.
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Stockholm Syndrome posted:You blame Russia but don't see what USA is doing? Remember Iraq? Or Libya? Or USA's involvement in Syria? You should maybe also watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw That piss poor deflection does not change the fact that your darling fascist bully boy is responsible for Muslims comming to Europe to rape all your white women. Quisling
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waitwhatno posted:lmao(laughing my rear end off) if you think the EU is going anywhere. I thought people were talking about the eurozone, which might really be in danger if the south rises up, but you gotta be a special kind of delusional if you think the EU is in any kind of real danger. Perhaps the EU won't die but this european project in it's current form isn't doing too well. I'll be happy if the eurozone fucks off and dies, ofcourse it would be even better if there was some real change to the EUs core policies as well. A reversal of the lisbon treaty, going back to a simpler more trade-only style deal, and without all the political top down enforcement to try and homogenize us into some pan-european neoliberal framework. I mean the EU forced us to privatize a lot of state owned things like the post office, and also prevents us from simply re-nationalizing other things and from running mercantilist policies. These are things that need to go. Privatization of state monopolies have been utter failures and need to be recalled. Like gently caress your face Brussels, we'll loving nationalize the post office if we want to, and anything else we want too and gently caress your treaties. There are so many small things that could help our economy if the state just took over the old institutions again. loving car inspections rose like 1000% in price since privatization, renationalize, put the CEOs in prison. Stimulate our economy by doing un-free market things like subsidizing the cost of small mail parcels to bring down the cost of internet trade and give is a leg up against countries with privatized, more expensive shipping. And free movement of capital? Fuggedaboutit. That's the single most important thing to stop really. And the financial sector? Tear it down, all of it, return to pre-Reagan era.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Perhaps the EU won't die but this european project in it's current form isn't doing too well. I'll be happy if the eurozone fucks off and dies, ofcourse it would be even better if there was some real change to the EUs core policies as well. A reversal of the lisbon treaty, going back to a simpler more trade-only style deal, and without all the political top down enforcement to try and homogenize us into some pan-european neoliberal framework.
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Not a clue. Impossible to predict. Most of this is likely not happening anyway so I'm just setting my goals on the eurozone dying and being grateful for that.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I mean the EU forced us to privatize a lot of state owned things like the post office, and also prevents us from simply re-nationalizing other things and from running mercantilist policies. These are things that need to go. Privatization of state monopolies have been utter failures and need to be recalled. Like gently caress your face Brussels, we'll loving nationalize the post office if we want to, and anything else we want too and gently caress your treaties. There are so many small things that could help our economy if the state just took over the old institutions again. loving car inspections rose like 1000% in price since privatization, renationalize, put the CEOs in prison. Stimulate our economy by doing un-free market things like subsidizing the cost of small mail parcels to bring down the cost of internet trade and give is a leg up against countries with privatized, more expensive shipping. At least in Finland lot of the privatizations were basically voluntary with the EU providing a convenient scapegoat for various rightwing politicians who got to look sombre on camera and lie through their teeth that the big bad EU forced us to do this thing we've been wanting to do all along but couldn't justify to the voters.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Not a clue. Impossible to predict. Most of this is likely not happening anyway so I'm just setting my goals on the eurozone dying and being grateful for that.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Perhaps the EU won't die but this european project in it's current form isn't doing too well. I'll be happy if the eurozone fucks off and dies, ofcourse it would be even better if there was some real change to the EUs core policies as well. A reversal of the lisbon treaty, going back to a simpler more trade-only style deal, and without all the political top down enforcement to try and homogenize us into some pan-european neoliberal framework. homogenisation into a non squabbling superstate is exactly what Europe needs and I wouldn't be so quick to assume that the EU is forever doomed to be run by neoliberalism
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blowfish posted:homogenisation into a non squabbling superstate This isn't a very realistic goal
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blowfish posted:homogenisation into a non squabbling superstate is exactly what Europe needs and I wouldn't be so quick to assume that the EU is forever doomed to be run by neoliberalism Smash the god drat nation states already.
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ReagaNOMNOMicks posted:Smash the god drat nation states already. yes it's time to abolish all democratic institutions and welcome unbridled corporatocracy. bring on the future from Syndicate.
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Cat Mattress posted:yes it's time to abolish all democratic institutions and welcome unbridled corporatocracy. as an accelerationist, I
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Cat Mattress posted:I'm partial to this one: This is the best song from the days of the Revolution: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRn6ZhpIwZI
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As sympathetic as I am to it, anti-EU sentiment will go nowhere. Here's the problem with the EU's political situation: because the various member state policies are not harmonised, their politics are not harmonised, and they vote on different terms and agendas. As a result you don't see true "European politics", but whoever happens to have the most influence in the countries with the most MPs wins the Euroelections and gets to set the EU agenda. European political personnel is picked based off local, rather than European, issues. And as a result you get the EPP winning the election, Juncker as commissioner, and neoliberalism remains the EU's agenda. That's a result of the EU having a presence small enough that it gets trumped by national politics. If the EU can consolidate more and have more impact at the expense of national governments, you will see a true European politics begin to develop, and a non-neoliberal agenda pursued by it. Just breaking from the EU? It could work... until you realise that the individual member states cannot defend themselves without patronage from the world's superpowers, and their politics would be influenced by whichever they align themselves towards. In that world you have some Finlands that can work with all sides, and you have some Greeces that get loving couped and fall under a near-fascist military dictatorship. But now you also have China in the game, so it's a three-way. And with that sort of choice, I would rather live in the lovely Clusterfuck EU timeline than the Cold War 2: Triple Boogaloo one.
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Guavanaut posted:What does France have in common with Finland that it doesn't with Haiti? That was an unfortunate example because Haiti killed all whites and half-whites/blacks in their revolution.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre
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