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Teddybear posted:And pretty rightfully so. Univision probably had no legal liability for the existing content. They took it down in the fear that a new standard might be made where hosting the archive may be considered publication and leave them liable. Which is dumb. Yep, I agree. It sucks. https://twitter.com/jordansarge/status/774467409260544000 Very 
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Well basketofdeplorables is trending on Twitter now. ffs what a needless unforced error this is, the last thing we need is for potentially reluctant Trump supporters to suddenly have a rallying cry with the full on racist segments of the supporters. It doesn't matter that she's right, get ready for a storm.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well basketofdeplorables is trending on Twitter now. ffs what a needless unforced error this is, the last thing we need is for potentially reluctant Trump supporters to suddenly have a rallying cry with the full on racist segments of the supporters. It doesn't matter that she's right, get ready for a storm.
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Dr Christmas posted:People will certainly say, and probably are already saying, that Hillary's comment is as bad as Romney's "47%" comment. This is a cycle where a candidate asked the Russians to hack the opposing candidate and wasn't sunk. I don't think this comment will be mentioned within a couple of weeks.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well basketofdeplorables is trending on Twitter now. ffs what a needless unforced error this is, the last thing we need is for potentially reluctant Trump supporters to suddenly have a rallying cry with the full on racist segments of the supporters. It doesn't matter that she's right, get ready for a storm. It really doesn't matter. And not in the "lol nothing matters" sense. A bunch of right-wingers whining for a weekend won't affect the race, and September 11th coverage will drown it out come Monday.
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CelestialScribe posted:This is the moment Clinton lost the election. Yeah, because over half the country totally doesn't already believe this about most of Trump's supporters.  Look at how much you think your views are normal. e: This is exactly what Clinton needs to do more of if she wants to maximize returns for herself and the Dems in November, actually. Her biggest weakness is the perception of her as wishy-washy, too scripted, too overly political, etc. What she said here is awesome. Welcome GOP hatred, and younger voters will turn out in droves. Majorian fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Sep 10, 2016 |
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Spacebump posted:This is a cycle where a candidate asked the Russians to hack the opposing candidate and wasn't sunk. I don't think this comment will be mentioned within a couple of weeks. Dude, you know there's a completely double standard with regards to things Trump says vs things Hillary says. Things he says that get forgotten would sink her. Trump says far worse poo poo on an hourly basis but the media is going to run their false equivalency directive into the ground. Shimrra Jamaane fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Sep 10, 2016 |
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Sep 10, 2016 06:29
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Dude, you know there's a completely double standard with regards to things Trump says vs things Hillary says. Things he says that get forgotten would sink her. Clinton's response should be, "Trump's supporters include David Duke and a bunch of other KKK members and fascists. Republicans need to deal with it. I stand by what I said."
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Sep 10, 2016 06:33
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Which is why this is timed perfectly. If it goes badly for them, Sunday is going to reset the story and they'll have Monday to get the media talking about something else. If it goes well, then they can keep pushing it on Monday. Though, a lot of this depends on this being a planned course of attack, rather than a completely off the cuff remark. But considering how she has been attempting to hit Trump on his alt-right support, I would be shocked if her surrogates don't already have their talking points and directives for tomorrow. Really, the only thing that could be a gaffe was saying "half" instead of "a significant portion". That would let her better push the case of the republican party being held hostage by the Alt-Right, as opposed to the majority of the party being Alt-Right racists.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well basketofdeplorables is trending on Twitter now. ffs what a needless unforced error this is, the last thing we need is for potentially reluctant Trump supporters to suddenly have a rallying cry with the full on racist segments of the supporters. It doesn't matter that she's right, get ready for a storm. Bleh. Unforced errors won't change demographics. Pointing out that racists like Trump won't hurt her with minorities. Stop freaking out when our politicians tell the truth and crybabies get mad at getting called out.
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I mean if reporters were in the room it was planned. She's done bad turns of phrases before that might be slips but I don't think she can really be baited into something she doesn't want to talk about.
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Teddybear posted:I mean if reporters were in the room it was planned. She's done bad turns of phrases before that might be slips but I don't think she can really be baited into something she doesn't want to talk about. This and the fact that the "deplorables" comment fits right in with the alt right line of attack suggests it's totally planned and coordinated.
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I caught up with this thread completely for the first time in months. Hard to keep up when there are dozens of pages a day about what crazy thing Trump did, or a derail about barbecue. I wanted to talk about how Trump has kind of changed how I view the role of media in elections. At least before now people were always talking about money in politics and how it basically controls everything. Obviously money plays a big role in some areas but Trump is defying the idea that you need to spend a lot to make headway. He's putting down basically nothing. Didn't in the primary, isn't in the general. Its not a winning strategy but he's still polling way higher than I think anyone would of predicted given his spending and lopsided focus on non-battleground states. What I find really fascinating though is the story of poor little Jeb!, who sunk massive funds into his primary campaign and did terrible. Is he really that bad of a candidate? No, not compared to what Republicans usually field, but he was another Bush. That's what the media painted him as and Jeb didn't try to fight that at all. He didn't carve out any identity for himself that people wanted to pay attention to. So it didn't matter how much he spent on ads and rallies; the media didn't pay attention to Jeb, and as a result nobody else did. What attention he got was usually negative, saying he would be more of the same which people didn't want. He got buried by almost all the focus being on Trump and others while he just stood in the shadows shrugging. On one hand I'm glad to see that you really can't buy your way into the presidency, but the degree to which the media controls the perception of the candidates is startling.
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I'll say that this better be a signal of a concerted strategy. She needs to see it through. Because if she suddenly starts to back off and say how she's sorry or some poo poo then it'll be obvious that it was a gently caress up. It's retarded but using the term "half" makes it sound worse. Should have just said a large amount.
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Sep 10, 2016 06:42
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Personally I like that she insulted the white supremacists
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Sep 10, 2016 06:43
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The Glumslinger posted:Which is why this is timed perfectly. If it goes badly for them, Sunday is going to reset the story and they'll have Monday to get the media talking about something else. If it goes well, then they can keep pushing it on Monday. Yeah, at risk of presuming competence where there might be none, this sorta strikes me as trumpian style play to suck up air and replay all of trump's comments on prime time some more. If it goes bad they'll just let it die and it won't matter.
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Sep 10, 2016 06:44
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also it's kinda of a weird, tangled phrase. "Deplorables" seems like a weird word to be at the center of a controversy. I don't think it'll have much heat.
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Internet Kraken posted:On one hand I'm glad to see that you really can't buy your way into the presidency, but the degree to which the media controls the perception of the candidates is startling. on the plus (???) side the media is a blind and stupid demiurge
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I love that phrase though, and it's true enough to be the word of God. Editorial cartoonists are going to draw Rush and Hannity in a literal basket of deplorables and expect me to feel mad about it. 
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woke wedding drone posted:I love that phrase though, and it's true enough to be the word of God. Editorial cartoonists are going to draw Rush and Hannity in a literal basket of deplorables and expect me to feel mad about it. The Political Cartoons thread should be good tomorrow, shame about Kaep and the Seahawks gobbling up everything on 9/11 9/11 9/11 super NFL spectacular day
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Sep 10, 2016 06:48
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well basketofdeplorables is trending on Twitter now. ffs what a needless unforced error this is, the last thing we need is for potentially reluctant Trump supporters to suddenly have a rallying cry with the full on racist segments of the supporters. It doesn't matter that she's right, get ready for a storm. You know, it's funny - I'm as annoyed by Clinton's unforced errors as anyone, but I'm not particularly worried about this one. Tbh, this is the sort of thing that the Democratic base has been wanting to hear from her.
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Sep 10, 2016 06:51
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Majorian posted:Welcome GOP hatred, and younger voters will turn out in droves. Pokemon Go and Taco Trucks at Nov. voting spots going to win 99% of the youth vote.
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Internet Kraken posted:What I find really fascinating though is the story of poor little Jeb!, who sunk massive funds into his primary campaign and did terrible. Is he really that bad of a candidate? He took 4 days to find an answer on whether iraq was a good thing or not. He really, really, really was that bad of a candidate.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well basketofdeplorables is trending on Twitter now. ffs what a needless unforced error this is, the last thing we need is for potentially reluctant Trump supporters to suddenly have a rallying cry with the full on racist segments of the supporters. It doesn't matter that she's right, get ready for a storm. Good. The best strategy for dealing with Republicans (and Trump) is to just keep poking them until they explode into a fit of hideous rage and unforced errors for all of the electorate to see.
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Sep 10, 2016 06:52
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If you think this is anything like the 47% comment then you should probably go finish your article for the NYT
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He high-fived Trump a moment after he insulted Jeb's wife. Frankly I'm amazed he's done so much in his life without a spine.
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PhazonLink posted:Pokemon Go and Taco Trucks at Nov. voting spots going to win 99% of the youth vote. Well, every little bit helps, regardless. 
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Sep 10, 2016 06:58
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Dr Christmas posted:People will certainly say, and probably are already saying, that Hillary's comment is as bad as Romney's "47%" comment. No one that matters cares. Also, the same people have been trying to make evrything Obama's Katrina.
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Sep 10, 2016 06:59
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:No one that matters cares. Also, the same people have been trying to make evrything Obama's Katrina.
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Litany Unheard posted:It really doesn't matter. It may or may not effect the race, but I will drat near  that it will be played from now until the end of all goddamn time on the right wing blogosphere.Its not quite Benjamin Gazi or email tier, but its probably a solid Vince Foster.
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I do love how this turns the Republicans' whole "PC Police!!" crusade against them, "political correctness" was actually their plausible deniability but whoops Trump smashed everything and now they don't really have a specific defense when Hillary calls them out on it. Like anything they try to disprove the racism accusation will only dig the hole deeper because they're really, really racist and there's so much evidence.
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Yinlock posted:I do love how this turns the Republicans' whole "PC Police!!" crusade against them, "political correctness" was actually their plausible deniability but whoops Trump smashed everything and now they don't really have a specific defense when Hillary calls them out on it.
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Nessus posted:At this point I am starting to wonder just why, exactly, the Republicans keep trying to nail Bill Clinton with this Epstein poo poo, given that pretty much every other thing they throw on Democrats is done by them. Attack your enemy's strengths, pin your shortcomings to them. That was the Rove playbook, and it's one of the few things that he actually got right.
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Majorian posted:Attack your enemy's strengths, pin your shortcomings to them. That was the Rove playbook, and it's one of the few things that he actually got right. Yeah, except for #2 that sounds right
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Sep 10, 2016 08:33
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/trump-dr-oz-health-records-227965 The Donald is going on air with Doctor Oz to discuss his and Hillary's health. What.
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Sep 10, 2016 08:35
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Majorian posted:Attack your enemy's strengths, pin your shortcomings to them. That was the Rove playbook, and it's one of the few things that he actually got right. Doesn't exactly work in the day of social and constant media where your shortcomings are broadcasted perpetually to the world and louder than your attacks could ever be. Of course, the saving grace against this is willing ignorance of shortcomings and lack of strength being okay as long as its someone from your political team, but the playbook like everything else doesn't matter when there really aren't any rules in play anymore.
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Crabtree posted:Doesn't exactly work in the day of social and constant media where your shortcomings are broadcasted perpetually to the world and louder than your attacks could ever be. Of course, the saving grace against this is willing ignorance of shortcomings and lack of strength being okay as long as its someone from your political team, but the playbook like everything else doesn't matter when there really aren't any rules in play anymore. And this is why the "Bush is dumb" meme prevented the "Kerry is a pussy" meme from working! 
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I do get sick of the media narrative that Clinton has been biding her time and doing nothing in order to let Trump crucify himself. The "here is what the alt-right is" speech would be considered nuts in any other election.
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Trabisnikof posted:And this is why the "Bush is dumb" meme prevented the "Kerry is a pussy" meme from working! OneThousandMonkeys posted:I do get sick of the media narrative that Clinton has been biding her time and doing nothing in order to let Trump crucify himself. The "here is what the alt-right is" speech would be considered nuts in any other election.
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