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Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
Also it's coming out that Wikileaks just kind of declined to include an email about €2bn being transferred from Syria to Russia in their leak and their response is that the leaks they released were and that they'll go after journalists who pursue that story, sooooooooo

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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
People haven't been looking at Matt Forney for as long as ten minutes, and this is intolerable to him. http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/09/09/matt-forney-hates-vigilante-justice-so-much-hes-trying-to-dox-a-rape-victim/

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

Pope Guilty posted:

Also it's coming out that Wikileaks just kind of declined to include an email about €2bn being transferred from Syria to Russia in their leak and their response is that the leaks they released were and that they'll go after journalists who pursue that story, sooooooooo

Wikileaks loving white dictators who kill off all dissenters with impunity? Also they'll leak millions of Turkish citizens social security numbers and addresses and don't take responsibility for it? I should be so surprised that a group that supports Gay Uncle Tom and scholarship scammer Milo Yiannopolus would show their true colors.

I should not feel so much grim satisfaction that so many people and groups I thought were decent are actually all loving terrible pieces of filth who are everything their critics called them as.

Annointed has a new favorite as of 16:18 on Sep 10, 2016

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

Pope Guilty posted:

Also it's coming out that Wikileaks just kind of declined to include an email about €2bn being transferred from Syria to Russia in their leak and their response is that the leaks they released were and that they'll go after journalists who pursue that story, sooooooooo

Is this missing a word after "the links they released were ..."?

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

The Vosgian Beast posted:

People haven't been looking at Matt Forney for as long as ten minutes, and this is intolerable to him. http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/09/09/matt-forney-hates-vigilante-justice-so-much-hes-trying-to-dox-a-rape-victim/

Uuuurgh. This is the first time I've ever deliberately read anything Matt Forney has written. I've never been happier that someone is definitely single and alone and not happy about it, because I can tell that he doesn't believe that marital rape is a thing and I'm pretty sure he doesn't believe that non-stranger rape is a thing.

I'm actually very happy that he doesn't have a daughter.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Somfin posted:

Uuuurgh. This is the first time I've ever deliberately read anything Matt Forney has written. I've never been happier that someone is definitely single and alone and not happy about it, because I can tell that he doesn't believe that marital rape is a thing and I'm pretty sure he doesn't believe that non-stranger rape is a thing.

I'm actually very happy that he doesn't have a daughter.

Search "Matt Forney" on twitter some time. Almost all of it is people mocking him.
https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/774428055930564608
https://twitter.com/anzu_ugu/status/774380264504037377
https://twitter.com/DroidCommission/status/774357824075862016
https://twitter.com/mylittlepwnies3/status/774316179028606977
https://twitter.com/jiveassbaloney/status/773990717802905600

Half of these people are also racist douchebags. Even they can't stand him

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
Sorry if this was already posted, but lma-loving-o: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/alt-right-makes-its-main-stream-debut

quote:

Spencer's ideas about race are intertwined with his support for Trump. Spencer explained that he likes Trump's immigration policy, which not only calls for mass deportation of undocumented immigrants but also reduces legal immigration into the country. (Spencer's ideal policy would also favor immigrants from Europe.) But as Spencer put it, it's Trump's more intangible qualities that make him a hero of the alt-right. To Spencer, Trump's brash style suggests a white savoir, unwilling to be bullied by the politically correct crowd.

"I don't think our support of Trump is really about policy at the end of the day," Spencer said. "I think it's really about Trump's style, the fact that he doesn't back down, the fact that he's willing to confront his enemies...You look at that and you think, this is what a leader looks like."

Spencer continued, "It really is about him and it's about, in a way, projecting onto him our hopes and dreams. There's something called 'me magic,' and that is a self-fulfilling prophecy...We want to make Trump; we want to imagine him in our image. And that is maybe—you can see that in a meme of Trump as a Napoleon or Trump as some figure out of the Dune novels in an arcade of the future in a robotic suit of armor fighting enemies. All of that stuff is silly, all of that stuff is ridiculous, but it actually gets at something real and that is that we want something more, we want something heroic, we want something that is not defined by liberalism or individual rights or bourgeois norms. We want something that is truly European and truly heroic."

quote:

But Spencer did offer up a vision of an alt-right society. "If the alt-right were in power, we would all have arrived here via magnetic levitation trains," he said. "We would have passed by great forests and beautiful images of blond women in a wheat field with their hands, running them through the wheat." The audience tittered. "It would be a wonderful sight."

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

Of course they fetishize Eastern Asians while also taking a dig at SE Asians. :nallears: In terms of asian supremacists and them for this case they are one and the same.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Wow so the bullshit germanic hitlerite myths still live on. their poo poo sounds like bullshit idealized Nazi propaganda its not even funny. the funniest thing about it to me, is they put all of their bullshit dreams and myth making around a fat pig like conman, who probaly believes only some of it.

I guess thats a question for the thread. How much of this horseshit does trump actually believe in.

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Dapper_Swindler posted:

Wow so the bullshit germanic hitlerite myths still live on. their poo poo sounds like bullshit idealized Nazi propaganda its not even funny. the funniest thing about it to me, is they put all of their bullshit dreams and myth making around a fat pig like conman, who probaly believes only some of it.

I guess thats a question for the thread. How much of this horseshit does trump actually believe in.

However much is about how awesome he is, that's the only thing he cares about.

And all the bits about women being things.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Night10194 posted:

However much is about how awesome he is, that's the only thing he cares about.

And all the bits about women being things.

Scott Alexander CLEARLY PROVED Trump isn't sexist.

As we all know, people who are sexist carry large signs around on their chest saying "I am a sexist" and anyone who doesn't do that cannot possibly be one, you Kafkatrapper

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Scott Alexander CLEARLY PROVED Trump isn't sexist.

As we all know, people who are sexist carry large signs around on their chest saying "I am a sexist" and anyone who doesn't do that cannot possibly be one, you Kafkatrapper

Is Scott Alexander the 'I'm not Dark Enlightenment but all my friends are and it's all I ever write about' psuedointellectual guy?

I get these dipshits mixed up.

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

Night10194 posted:

Is Scott Alexander the 'I'm not Dark Enlightenment but all my friends are and it's all I ever write about' psuedointellectual guy?

I get these dipshits mixed up.
Yeah, he claims to be liberal but is alt-right-adjacent, and he is the Slate Star Codex blogger.
Scott Adams writes Dilbert and has terrible opinions.
There's a third Scott A. who also has terrible opinions, but I can't remember who he is specifically.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

pookel posted:

Yeah, he claims to be liberal but is alt-right-adjacent, and he is the Slate Star Codex blogger.
Scott Adams writes Dilbert and has terrible opinions.
There's a third Scott A. who also has terrible opinions, but I can't remember who he is specifically.

Scott Aaronson, who is a physics professor who should be banned from talking about non-physics poo poo.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006


He really does run like a duck.

Sit on my Jace
Sep 9, 2016

pookel posted:

Yeah, he claims to be liberal but is alt-right-adjacent, and he is the Slate Star Codex blogger.
Scott Adams writes Dilbert and has terrible opinions.
There's a third Scott A. who also has terrible opinions, but I can't remember who he is specifically.

Aaronson? He's kind of a weird case in that he does actual research in actually existing computer science, yet somehow he give credence to utter cranks like Yudkowsky.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Scott Aaronson, who is a physics professor who should be banned from talking about non-physics poo poo.

He's the guy who said he should get a concubine because he was a sad nerd as a kid and the feminists tried to explain misogyny then instead of coddling him like they should have. Also that either the Ecole Polytechnique shooter or the Santa Barbara killer was justified because those bitches wouldn't put out for a nerd. He teaches at MIT, right?

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Jack Gladney posted:

He's the guy who said he should get a concubine because he was a sad nerd as a kid and the feminists tried to explain misogyny then instead of coddling him like they should have. Also that either the Ecole Polytechnique shooter or the Santa Barbara killer was justified because those bitches wouldn't put out for a nerd. He teaches at MIT, right?

I looked him up, and it used to be MIT, but is now UT Austin. Also he's a computer scientist and I just got confused because he writes about quantum computing.

Sit on my Jace
Sep 9, 2016

Jack Gladney posted:

He's the guy who said he should get a concubine because he was a sad nerd as a kid and the feminists tried to explain misogyny then instead of coddling him like they should have. Also that either the Ecole Polytechnique shooter or the Santa Barbara killer was justified because those bitches wouldn't put out for a nerd. He teaches at MIT, right?

Was this the same thing as when someone suggested subsidized prostitutes for scientists (to free up the time they spend trying to meet women so they can do more research) or was that some other jackass?

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
Im honestly disgusted STEM is overrun with alt-right douchebags who think knowing what Java or Linux is makes you some sort of God among men

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Race Realists posted:

Im honestly disgusted STEM is overrun with alt-right douchebags who think knowing what Java or Linux is makes you some sort of God among men

If it's any consolation, it seems a bit worse with the TE part than the SM part.

danger-carpet
Aug 3, 2016

The Vosgian Beast posted:

I looked him up, and it used to be MIT, but is now UT Austin. Also he's a computer scientist and I just got confused because he writes about quantum computing.

Never mind, reactos already have a go-to physicist, Luboš Motl

An enterprising feminist cvck physicist has helpfully compiled a list of his greatest hits so we don't have to, but it's too bad she missed his hand-wringing semi-endorsement of Anders Breivik, worthy of Scott Alexander himself.

These types do seem to flock together, don't they?

"Luboš Motl posted:

When Larry Summers, then Harvard's president, very carefully suggested that there could be a biological reason contributing to women's underrepresentation in STEM – something that almost every kid finds obvious – the feminists began to scream that the university's president had no right to talk about such things, not even behind the closed door and the terror ignited by these unpleasant ladies became the main reason why Summers was de facto forced to resign from a job he loved.

Now, when the director of physics writes that the politician enjoying the support of some 50% of his nation is a "lunatic" and that these supporters are "exceedingly dangerous", everything seems to be fine. The political atmosphere at the U.S. universities is broken beyond repair."

"Luboš Motl posted:

Aaronson shows an unusual degree of understanding of a basic force that turns many people to Trump fans: Trump has become the symbol of resistance against the politically correct bullies who have worked hard to poison the lives of hundreds of millions of people in recent decades. While the victims of this terror are just fine people, the bullies would dehumanize everyone who deviates at least one Planck length from the holy "progressive" rules of environmentalism, global warming hysteria, multiculturalism, terror apologism, homosexualism, feminism, transvestitism, fashion codes for T-shirts, and hundreds of other things.

Aaronson actually realizes that at a "personal level", he runs a 100 times greater risk that should make him fear Amanda Marcotte (I suppose it's some aggressive feminist whore but I won't investigate) than to fear Donald Trump (feminist whores are a much greater threat than Donald Trump basically for everyone, be sure about it). But that doesn't change the fact that at the end, he vows to "work with Amanda Marcotte" or anything if it seems useful to defeat Trump. In fact, he would support Hillary even if she "planned to eliminate all quantum computing research" except for some bizarre overspecialized project he is probably trying to work on (but nothing useful will come out of it, I am ready to bet)."

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

The Vosgian Beast posted:

If it's any consolation, it seems a bit worse with the TE part than the SM part.

And they ALL think they're going to be the next Silicone Valley Techbro

Be on the lookout for the next big hit urbit! made by yours truly! :shepface:

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Dapper_Swindler posted:

Wow so the bullshit germanic hitlerite myths still live on. their poo poo sounds like bullshit idealized Nazi propaganda its not even funny. the funniest thing about it to me, is they put all of their bullshit dreams and myth making around a fat pig like conman, who probaly believes only some of it.

HE PUT THE loving VVHEATFIELDS IN FOR REAL

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
Oh right Scott Aaronson DID write that "Now of course I understand people are terrified at the rise of extremist neo-fascist politics in America and Trump is a mad clown. That said, I understand why people support him because some people call me sexist sometimes. So ultimately, it's their fault and they're getting what they deserve" piece

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

divabot posted:

HE PUT THE loving VVHEATFIELDS IN FOR REAL

yeah.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Annointed posted:

Of course they fetishize Eastern Asians while also taking a dig at SE Asians. :nallears: In terms of asian supremacists and them for this case they are one and the same.

I like how white supremacy has evolved from White People Uber Alles to White People And Also My Anime Waifus Uber Alles as the demographics were slowly changed by the internet.

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I like how white supremacy has evolved from White People Uber Alles to White People And Also My Anime Waifus Uber Alles as the demographics were slowly changed by the internet.
I don't think that's quite right - I remember reading The Bell Curve in high school when I was a Republican, so that would have been 1993ish, and it promoted the idea that Asians were smarter than whites. I don't know when right-wing racists decided that Asians were OK, but I'd guess it predates the internet (well, the Web, anyway, if you want to be pedantic).

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

pookel posted:

I don't think that's quite right - I remember reading The Bell Curve in high school when I was a Republican, so that would have been 1993ish, and it promoted the idea that Asians were smarter than whites. I don't know when right-wing racists decided that Asians were OK, but I'd guess it predates the internet (well, the Web, anyway, if you want to be pedantic).

Yeah it was the specificity of east asians that stood out to me, because before this I've heard some claim asians are better (but also dirty godless tricksters with no morals so we should rule them anyway)

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

pookel posted:

I don't think that's quite right - I remember reading The Bell Curve in high school when I was a Republican, so that would have been 1993ish, and it promoted the idea that Asians were smarter than whites. I don't know when right-wing racists decided that Asians were OK, but I'd guess it predates the internet (well, the Web, anyway, if you want to be pedantic).

"Model Minority."

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

Yeah it was the specificity of east asians that stood out to me, because before this I've heard some claim asians are better (but also dirty godless tricksters with no morals so we should rule them anyway)
Like they would fetishize Vietnamese, strange, I thought they would be all up for chauvinism as some form of revenge porn for not being allowed to torch my country into cinders.

You know if not for the general xenophobia and homogeny of Eastern Countries they too would not even bother to care for them in fear of Asian men and women loving people outside their respective ethnicities.

Annointed has a new favorite as of 06:27 on Sep 11, 2016

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
Kinda wonder whether "East Asians" are the Irish, Italians, and other assorted "white ethnics" of the 21st century, poised to be conceptually absorbed into full whiteness rather than mere honorary/provisional whiteness.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

GunnerJ posted:

Kinda wonder whether "East Asians" are the Irish, Italians, and other assorted "white ethnics" of the 21st century, poised to be conceptually absorbed into full whiteness rather than mere honorary/provisional whiteness.

I've wondered whether there's a psychological boundary outside which people tend to stop identifying others as part of their race or if it's entirely culture. Like I remember a study a while ago where they showed white people a video of a white hand getting stabbed, and the people winced since they felt the same pain in their own hand while watching. Then they did it with a black hand and the wince didn't happen. Then they tried it with a blue hand and people did get the wince, so apparently the aliens from Avatar are more human than black people?

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I've wondered whether there's a psychological boundary outside which people tend to stop identifying others as part of their race or if it's entirely culture. Like I remember a study a while ago where they showed white people a video of a white hand getting stabbed, and the people winced since they felt the same pain in their own hand while watching. Then they did it with a black hand and the wince didn't happen. Then they tried it with a blue hand and people did get the wince, so apparently the aliens from Avatar are more human than black people?

That probably says more about the meaning of blackness than the boundaries of whiteness. Or, they'd wince for any hand that doesn't clearly belong to someone of a race considered inferior. "Blue people" don't really exist and have no actual racial coding.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

GunnerJ posted:

"Blue people" don't really exist and have no actual racial coding.

And therefore get no rights. We gotta draw the line somewhere.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
Blackness is drat near a "special case" in just how devalued people coded as black are. I read somewhere this sociological/philosophical definition of blackness as a dividing line establishing who gets to be counted as fully human, the most dismal thing I'd read in a long time and poo poo like that hand experiment just goes to show how true it is.

Annointed
Mar 2, 2013

GunnerJ posted:

Kinda wonder whether "East Asians" are the Irish, Italians, and other assorted "white ethnics" of the 21st century, poised to be conceptually absorbed into full whiteness rather than mere honorary/provisional whiteness.
I honestly find that hard to believe on both a geographical standpoint and a vain appearance standpoint.

darthbob88
Oct 13, 2011

YOSPOS

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

I've wondered whether there's a psychological boundary outside which people tend to stop identifying others as part of their race or if it's entirely culture. Like I remember a study a while ago where they showed white people a video of a white hand getting stabbed, and the people winced since they felt the same pain in their own hand while watching. Then they did it with a black hand and the wince didn't happen. Then they tried it with a blue hand and people did get the wince, so apparently the aliens from Avatar are more human than black people?

Purple hand, actually. To be entirely fair, the study also found that black volunteers reacted less strongly to the white hand getting prodded with a needle, so this lack of cross-racial empathy isn't just a white problem.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
https://radio.therightstuff.biz/2016/09/10/fash-the-nation-week-56-basket-of-deplorables/

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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

darthbob88 posted:

Purple hand, actually. To be entirely fair, the study also found that black volunteers reacted less strongly to the white hand getting prodded with a needle, so this lack of cross-racial empathy isn't just a white problem.

Ah yeah it was a while ago. And I kinda thought black people had the opposite effect too, thanks for confirming :shobon:

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