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Hollismason posted:I thought that Harley's fantasy was really loving dumb and it makes the character less Diablo: You don't really want to kill the Bat. Deadshot: I don't really want to kill the Bat. Harley: I do! I really hope they were pulled out of their fantasies by the same line, because that makes it a clever joke AND restores Harley's fantasy to loving poo poo up.
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GRANNYS PEACH TEA posted:I took that scene to be something entirely different. He's offering Harley to the gangster, but that "offering" is as genuine and honest as TDK's Joker saying, "hey guys let's all dress up as clowns and rob a bank." Well nah; it's more simple than that. Common gets shot in the face specifically because he's deferential, believing in respect - because he's fearful, and that a limitation that prevents him from enjoying. Common is killed because he takes Joker's literal offer as an offer mean to be refused. Normally, with such a polite offer, "I let you know what I really desire, but do not want it to be enacted, and therefore expect you to refuse my offer." But of course, the joke is that Joker really does want this guy to gently caress Harley, because Common's terror would be absolutely funny to him. Further paraphrasing Zizek (with references to Lynch's Wild At Heart changed to Suicide Squad): "We could take as our starting point the emphasis on Leto's all-too-large mouth, with its thick wet lips, spitting its saliva around, contorted in an obscene way, with ugly, twisted, discolored teeth—do they not recall the image of vagina dentata, displayed in a vulgar way, as if this vaginal opening itself is provoking Common to 'gently caress me!' This clear reference to Leto’s distorted face as the proverbial 'cuntface' indicates that beneath the obvious scene of the aggressive pimp imposing himself on a man, another fantasmatic scenario is played out: that of a young, innocent adolescent boy aggressively provoked by a mature, overripe vulgar woman [...] Again, what is so unsettling about the Joker figure is its ultimate sexual ambiguity, oscillating between the noncastrated raw phallic power and the threatening vagina, the two facets of the presymbolic life-substance." -"The Parallax View", pg. 70
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Well nah; it's more simple than that. Common gets shot in the face specifically because he's deferential, believing in respect - because he's fearful, and that a limitation that prevents him from enjoying. I don't agree with this analysis. The joke that elevates this random gang murder into an authentic Joker moment is that the poor bastard is figuratively hosed either way. It's too late to start showing respect the second you tell the psycho gangster boss his bitch is hot. That's like telling Quentin Tarantino his coffee tastes good, like telling Ace Rothstein his bitch is hot, an insult as presumptuous as it is obvious,with inevitable consequence considerably more dire than hearing racial slurs or losing your job at the casino. The alternative we see played out in the movie is the gangster pays Joker respect by declining the offer you can't refuse and plays along with the rules of an order-based system and dies for it. If he went with the chaotic impulsive hedonistic alternative the Joker would shoot him anyway, but with a slightly different take on the Cliche Movie Gangster role. "Nyahh see, first he called my lady a bitch and then he said he wanted to gently caress her, it's a matter of respect, see." The moment he brought up Harley he was "hosed" like a rose on Valentine's day. There's only two people in the world who are "people" to the Joker, everybody else are accessories to be arranged in whatever role he finds necessary or funny at the moment. He was already planning to do something romantic this evening, he just hadn't decided precisely what yet, and this horny prick just volunteered to be the rose. I wish the rest of this movie was as consistently good as the Joker/Harley scenes. SuperMechagodzilla posted:"We could take as our starting point the emphasis on Leto's all-too-large mouth, with its thick wet lips, spitting its saliva around, contorted in an obscene way, with ugly, twisted, discolored teeth—do they not recall the image of vagina dentata, displayed in a vulgar way, as if this vaginal opening itself is provoking Common to 'gently caress me!' This clear reference to Leto’s distorted face as the proverbial 'cuntface' indicates that beneath the obvious scene of the aggressive pimp imposing himself on a man, another fantasmatic scenario is played out: that of a young, innocent adolescent boy aggressively provoked by a mature, overripe vulgar woman [...] Again, what is so unsettling about the Joker figure is its ultimate sexual ambiguity, oscillating between the noncastrated raw phallic power and the threatening vagina, the two facets of the presymbolic life-substance." Quite frankly I'm out of my depth debating Zizek but I don't see how much of this applies to the Harley Giveaway scene,
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K. Waste posted:In return, Joker literally becomes "the bacon." He gets a little crispy around the edges 
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GRANNYS PEACH TEA posted:I don't agree with this analysis. The joke that elevates this random gang murder into an authentic Joker moment is that the poor bastard is figuratively hosed either way. It's too late to start showing respect the second you tell the psycho gangster boss his bitch is hot. Well no; that's turning Joker back into a 'normal person' who stands for respecting women or something - rehabilitating him. ("I might shoot people in the face, but I have a 'code of honor' that separates me from the real monster: this black dude who said 'bitch', amirite?") Your Joker is, as Tarantino put it in From Dusk Till Dawn, "a bastard, but not a loving bastard". A real George Clooney. The imagery associated with Harley is consistently the vortex of knives. Batman is drawn down towards her, by her beauty, and then she instantly, reflexively slices at him. He has to knock her out cold and disarm her before he can awkwardly kiss her. That's the association made with the metal teeth of the Joker. Common desires Harley, but fears that mouth - those xenomorph teeth. And I'm talking about the full implications of the Alien here: that primordial, incestuous hive. The point, expressed in those Zizek quote, is that Common is terrified by the nightmarish prospect of fully realizing his desires. He gradually becomes aware that Joker isn't being weirdly polite; Joker actually fully intends for him to be overwhelmed with jouissance - consumed and absorbed. Remember Joker's motto in this film. Dying for him is easy, but living for him is far more difficult, because it means surrendering to your desires. "Desire becomes surrender. Surrender becomes power." So Common took the easy way out, however unwittingly, and failed the initiation test - which is why he was there in the first place. His scene is the opposite of Harley's leap into the chemical vat.
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Hollismason posted:Batman punches a woman, arrests a black man like a weird good guy with a gun, and threatens a black woman. Batman, Mall Cop.
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Hollismason posted:Batman punches a woman, arrests a black man like a weird good guy with a gun, and threatens a black woman. That's what Batman always is, it's just that most of the time the story doesn't acknowledge it or if they do it's treated as a good thing. Anyway, just popping in to say I really enjoyed this movie. It was disjointed and the plot makes no sense (Waller caused a bunch of unnecessary deaths for no reason yet still gets to keep her job! That's politics for ya!), but as messy as it is I still found it engaging and its manic energy was weirldy charming. I look forward to watching it again on Netflix while drunk.
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I want to see a director cut not because it would better but because it would be more. All the music videos associated with the film are really interesting. The supplementary cross-promotional material's up there with Godzilla: The Album.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I want to see a director cut not because it would better but because it would be more. How would you rank the videos btw? I still like "Sucker for Pain" just for its "a rose grows up from the concrete" motif of not the song, but veteran great taste-have Hundu got me having second thoughts
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You know something, and I can't believe this didn't occur to me before: this is a latter day John Carpenter film.
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Yeah, SMG has been vouching for its similarities to Escape from New York since the beginning - and it's a good comparison, seeing as Escape from New York is, like, one of the most naive of all dystopian action movies, what with it being a remake of The Wizard of Oz and all.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:You know something, and I can't believe this didn't occur to me before: this is a latter day John Carpenter film. If nothing else, it very obviously wants to be.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:You know something, and I can't believe this didn't occur to me before: this is a latter day John Carpenter film. It takes the Carpenter stuff and pushes it into abstracted Metal Gear Solid territory. 'Gangster' is the best movie track for my money, but what interests me is that all the videos consistently equate the characters in the film wth these singers walking around carefully-arranged bricks and whatever. Like obviously that's part of the performatvity thing, but it's also pretty much an attack on the film itself, along the lines of BVS's stuff about logos and branding. Like 'Heathens' is the only one with a distinct plot, and it's about Mr. Twentyone Pilot longing for 'authentic experience' after seeing these poor black people struggling. (And of course the black dude in question is none other than Will Smith in a hit superhero movie.) Then you have this other one, where this music video set is built inside - and out of - a crime scene.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It takes the Carpenter stuff and pushes it into abstracted Metal Gear Solid territory. I would be down on reading your take on the MGS games sometime.
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Does anyone have any favorite slices off the Steve Price score, yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CB9ZASTyYM
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'Suicide Squad' Is Now Leggier Than 'Captain America: Civil War'quote:Well, it looks like that whole “August legs” thing I talked about throughout the summer in the lead up to Suicide Squad’s release turned out to be relatively accurate. As noted, yesterday, the Will Smith/Margot Robbie/Viola Davis blockbuster passed a few milestones over its fifth weekend of release. Nice. And also pretty nice that Karen Fukahara would love to delve into Katana's past in a sequel quote:“I would love that,” she said about the possibility of reprising the role. “For the first movie I think we did a really good job of showing snippets of each character’s past and history, but it was just a glimpse. And for the sequel I’d like to show a lot more about her relationship with Soutaker, her sword, and her relationship with her husband and where she came from.” Dark_Tzitzimine fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Sep 14, 2016 |
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Yeah, Civil War was surprisingly frontloaded and SS is the leggiest entry in the DCEU so far. But on the other hand, Civil War also had much stronger competition in the 6 weeks after it opened with films like X-Men: Apocalypse and Finding Dory but the biggest film SS has had to contend with so far has been Sausage Party. There's also not a lot else coming out in the rest of September or October so SS might keep chugging away for a while.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Yeah, Civil War was surprisingly frontloaded and SS is the leggiest entry in the DCEU so far. But on the other hand, Civil War also had much stronger competition in the 6 weeks after it opened with films like X-Men: Apocalypse and Finding Dory but the biggest film SS has had to contend with so far has been Sausage Party. There's also not a lot else coming out in the rest of September or October so SS might keep chugging away for a while. It's pretty cool how leggy it is despite the critical reaction (and my own, I thought about 70% of it was a messy garbage fire). I wonder if it didn't have Will Smith how long it would have stuck around.
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Drifter posted:I wonder if it didn't have Will Smith how long it would have stuck around. Who knows, if Deadshot wasn't hogging so much screen time they might have given the other characters more room to shine and the film could have actually been a lot more fun.
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Owen Smith: "I don't know anything about this, but I DO think it's true generally."
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Drifter posted:It's pretty cool how leggy it is despite the critical reaction (and my own, I thought about 70% of it was a messy garbage fire). I wonder if it didn't have Will Smith how long it would have stuck around. If anything thats probably got its name out much more, and like it was said theres not much competetion so people would go ti thing others are talking about, good or divisive.
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Drifter posted:I wonder if it didn't have Will Smith how long it would have stuck around. I think Harley is far more responsible for its longevity. Anecdotally I have around a dozen or more female friends who have never touched a comic book in their lives or who actively hate comic book movies but loved this because of Margot Robbie's performance.
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I like to think Slipknot's brief and negligible influence is what pushes the movie up past the 700mil mark.
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Drifter posted:I like to think Slipknot's brief and negligible influence is what pushes the movie up past the 700mil mark. They should cast David Spade in any sequels as a character looking to avenge him.
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Nobody has given a shot about Will Smith in 5 or 6 years. If anything him being added to this film had a lot of people worried.
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Rhyno posted:Nobody has given a shot about Will Smith in 5 or 6 years. If anything him being added to this film had a lot of people worried. It wasn't until I'd seen the trailer several times before I even knew that's who it was. I just kept thinking "Man, that guy looks a lot like Will Smith, does that make me a racist?" 
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Rhyno posted:Nobody has given a shot about Will Smith in 5 or 6 years. If anything him being added to this film had a lot of people worried. He was actually really good in it though, so much like having Ben Affleck as Batman people freaked out for no reason.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:He was actually really good in it though, so much like having Ben Affleck as Batman people freaked out for no reason. 100% agree, he was a delight in the role.
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This movie just came out in Japan and my girlfriend wanted to see it lemme try to recap what happened: Cringed at the music choices in the first 15 minutes Just "wtf" at the first 30 minutes A helicopter crashes and no one dies Bored as gently caress after they spot some random black blob dudes, then go into another building and see some more, then a fire guy goes AHHH and shoots fire at something, gotta be honest I was nodding off around this time Then they got on top of the building and another helicopter crashes and no one dies Then another helicopter crashes and no one dies Then I cringed again at the bad acting in the bar scene and started nodding off again, except when I laughed when Auzzieman just got up and left instantly, which is exactly what I wanted to do at that point, I felt like watching more of this movie was like having a bomb planted in my neck and I was being forced to endure it Then I cringed again when the flame dude who has known these other people like 3 hours and talked to them once says "I'M NOT LOSING ANOTHER FAMILY" Then they go "aw hell naw" and some unfortunate dude blows himself up and some concrete floor which somehow kills a giant magic witch man above the floor and not anyone else Then I was just shocked when the joker busted in the prison and was like "lets go!!!" and then movie suddenly ends all in all I'd say it was a roller coast of sleepiness, a real nod enducer best part was will smith, should have just been a movie about only him probably worst part was everything else lol'est part was the random japanese chick who is just there for some reason i guess lol i don't know v vedit: Also I felt kind of embarassed when all the Japanese people kept going "wtf is she saying???" whenever the katana chick spoke japanese because I guess it was hard to understand for them, ashamed that my country's film industry is so bad that it couldn't hire an actual japanese person for the role, there was also an audible groan when the character showed up and the army guys "this is katana!!!" like people couldn't believe how loving stereotypical it was Teikanmi fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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The only explanation I can think of for why Male Magical Threat died when the floor was taken out from underneath him is some kind of weird callback to so many magical beings having a weakness to rivers and other bodies of water with currents in them. Falls into urban river, dissolves offscreen. Probably giving them too much credit though.
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Rhyno posted:Nobody has given a shot about Will Smith in 5 or 6 years. If anything him being added to this film had a lot of people worried. Men in Black 3 was less than 5 or 6 years ago, it was a big deal financially and critically that year.
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Wade Wilson posted:The only explanation I can think of for why Male Magical Threat died when the floor was taken out from underneath him is some kind of weird callback to so many magical beings having a weakness to rivers and other bodies of water with currents in them.
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NorgLyle posted:Over in the PYF Irritating Movie Moments thread I mentioned that I still don't understand why throwing a bag of dynamite into the magical beam made it stop working but by that point I was just happy the movie seemed to be ending. Magical energies and constructs are pretty weak to natural disruptions in their order, like through violent concussive explosions. I mean, even if I disliked, at a visceral level, 80% of the movie I could still give it that.
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Wade Wilson posted:The only explanation I can think of for why Male Magical Threat died when the floor was taken out from underneath him is some kind of weird callback to so many magical beings having a weakness to rivers and other bodies of water with currents in them. It only takes a $1000 missile built from scrap to take out a multi-million dollar helicopter. The fragility of state power, despite it's overwhelming strength, is kind of a running theme in the movie.
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MrJacobs posted:Men in Black 3 was less than 5 or 6 years ago, it was a big deal financially and critically that year. Uh, no. It was poorly received and didn't even make it's budget back domestically.
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Rhyno posted:Uh, no. It was poorly received and didn't even make it's budget back domestically. Man, box office expectations have gotten really weird.
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Teikanmi posted:edit: Also I felt kind of embarassed when all the Japanese people kept going "wtf is she saying???" whenever the katana chick spoke japanese because I guess it was hard to understand for them, I mean she's a former Japanese TV actress and her Japanese was perfectly clear, I don't know what the people in your theatre were responding to but that's weird.
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DeimosRising posted:I mean she's a former Japanese TV actress and her Japanese was perfectly clear, I don't know what the people in your theatre were responding to but that's weird. I mean I live in Tokyo and speak Japanese well enough to know her pronunciation sucked, specifically when she first shows up and says "yogata" or something that I think is supposed to be "isogashideshita" or some poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuyyQLvj9LU what she said and the subtitles for the japanese were completely different These are native Japanese people I'm talking about, they were the ones cringing and laughing at her poo poo accent throughout the movie, my (Japanese) girlfriend and her friends said it was unintelligible mostly looking at her IMDb she ain't ever done poo poo in Japan except "the Disney channel"? Teikanmi fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Sep 24, 2016 |
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Maybe she has the Japanese equivalent of Bale voice. I could understand Bale just fine, but people just loved ragging on it for the sake of ragging on it.
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