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https://twitter.com/TVNewsLady/status/775040742851043328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw pillsburysoldier fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Sep 12, 2016 |
# ? Sep 12, 2016 06:51 |
https://twitter.com/Trillburne/status/775063247892258816
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# ? Sep 12, 2016 08:15 |
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The sitting governor of Maryland receiving chemotherapy for leukemia. He made a full recovery.
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# ? Sep 12, 2016 11:30 |
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Here's a picture of a statue of king Leopold II in Ostend. It's big. It's very flattering to Leopold. It shows a bunch of Congolese people thanking him for saving them from slavery. It's, as they say, "controversial" Notice something about it, though? One of the bottom left figures is missing his left hand. That wasn't intentional. More than ten years ago, a group called De Stoete Ostendenoare (The Naughty Ostend'ers) chopped off and stole the hand in protest against the statue and its depiction of our genocidal maniac of a former king. The chopping off of hands is of course very symbolic due to it being the punishment of choice in Leopold's Congo Free State. Now, however, the city has finally responded to the controversy by adding the following sign: quote:Leopold II (equestrian statue) In light of all the controversy surrounding various statues of figures such as Leopold II around the world - such as the confederate statues in the US, the statues of Rhodes in South Africa and Britain - an argument that gets trotted out a lot is that the statues should stay but they should be contextualised by adding a plaque. That's the line of reasoning the city of Ostend followed, in any case. And I think this is a prime example of why it's a terrible, garbage idea. The plaque still gives a primarily positive view of king Leopold and only mentions that there's some "controversy" surrounding him - even going as far as to suggest that the fight against slavery was the actual reason for colonising Congo. But here's the thing: there is no controversy. There shouldn't be any controversy. Leopold II's actions in Congo are well documented and indisputable. He is responsible for the death of 10 million Congolese and for the suffering of millions more. Just as there's no real controversy over the Holocaust, over Rwanda, over Pol Pot - there's no controversy here. And that's why I think plaques are a garbage concession - even if it weren't as mealy-mouthed and downright revisionist as with this statue, any plaque will always be a compromise where one half of the involved parties apparently either thinks there's enough of a controversy to give Leopold II the benefit of the doubt or they straight up think Leopold II's genocidal reign in Congo shouldn't disqualify him from being honoured by a statue. And you know what? You shouldn't compromise with those people. They don't deserve a compromise. Tear down that statue, dump it into the sea.
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# ? Sep 12, 2016 16:47 |
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R. Mute posted:
I disagree. As a compromise, I would suggest that the plaques be given a much more prominent place, equal to that of the original inscriptions if applicable, and that their messages be written by committees which include both impartial historians and the descendants of people who got their hands lopped off.
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# ? Sep 12, 2016 17:04 |
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Volcott posted:As a compromise
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# ? Sep 12, 2016 17:12 |
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The compromise should be replacing the original statue of Leopold with one showing him chopping off the hands of Congolese children. e: VVV Everything but the pyramids. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Sep 12, 2016 |
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that moment when oops you realize slaves built everything https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-KUbflnMEs
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# ? Sep 12, 2016 17:41 |
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I mean, yeah, drastic, ideologically pure action is cool and all, but have you considered slow, incremental change instead? It's pretty nice. Doesn't spook the moderates, either.
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https://twitter.com/danagould/status/774282064870805505
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Volcott posted:I mean, yeah, drastic, ideologically pure action is cool and all, but have you considered slow, incremental change instead? It's pretty nice. Doesn't spook the moderates, either. No one would be spooked, the left would applaud it for obvious reasons, and the right in Flanders doesn't care for a French-speaking king or (19th-century) Belgium in general. That just leaves an increasingly tiny and irrelevant old guard of pro-Belgian conservative monarchists. The only good reason not to remove the statues is to highlight the atrocities, so in that sense I can see the logic of putting up a plaque, but it definitely needs to be a less apologetic one.
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# ? Sep 12, 2016 21:35 |
e: not a reply to DaveWoo
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# ? Sep 12, 2016 22:39 |
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 00:12 |
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Enkmar posted:that moment when oops you realize slaves built everything The pyramids were actually built mostly by skilled craftsmen. Presumably there were also some slaves involved but the bulk of the work was done by free men. It was of course extremely hard work but they probably ate much better than the average commoner and some of them were even buried in the pyramids. I imagine that the fact that they were working for what they considered to be a literal god might have been very Slaves definitely built the Parthenon and America though. The Greek city states loved slavery about as much as they loved misogyny and pederasty. The Persians should really have won, it would've been much better for everyone involved. Roman emperors Valerian and Philip the Arab surrendering to Shapur I, emperor of Persia. Great American Hero John Brown
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 03:43 |
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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7e7_1473729934 Tags: EU, 4th Reich, borders r good, fences r good, walls r good, machineguns r good, axes r good, iron curtain was good, Slavic Union now
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 05:05 |
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drowningidiot posted:http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7e7_1473729934 There may be a way to solve that mans misanthropy.
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 06:26 |
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Crowsbeak posted:There may be a way to solve that mans misanthropy.
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 06:39 |
20 years ago today.
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 09:34 |
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What's do Hillary and an inattentive Quiznos sandwich artist have in common? They've both had problems with Bernie Sanders.
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 12:03 |
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Hey if you choose to run people over you're a evil person.
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 15:16 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Hey if you choose to run people over you're a evil person. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S75Rfva9O8
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 15:25 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Hey if you choose to run people over you're a evil person.
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# ? Sep 13, 2016 16:50 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Hey if you choose to run people over you're a evil person. I'm not sure you got the gist
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# ? Sep 14, 2016 20:55 |
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Rappaport posted:I'm not sure you got the gist A true servant of the people. Perhapse he went to far, but when correcting the vile its like making a omelet. Crowsbeak fucked around with this message at 02:00 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbyIS9EJ0UY
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaactually Everything in the lower left quadrant is deeply depressed former logging territory that won't even fund law enforcement. The only reason anything outside of the Portland metro area is blue is due to college towns. Oregon is really not a really good state. McGlockenshire fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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McGlockenshire posted:Everything in the lower left quadrant is deeply depressed former logging territory that won't even fund law enforcement. So you're saying they're experimenting with policeless communities. Sounds pretty lib-left to me.
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For comparison, same girl with Obama.
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# ? Sep 16, 2016 01:14 |
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That fake smile is exactly like his Taco Bowl pic. Ritz On Toppa Ritz fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Sep 16, 2016 |
# ? Sep 16, 2016 01:51 |
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# ? May 22, 2024 16:34 |
Source.
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