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Sep 12, 2016 22:52
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Lutha Mahtin posted:so is that pretty much well, its just one piece in the absolute mountain of evidence. This case was a slam dunk from the get go.
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Sep 12, 2016 23:50
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Capntastic posted:Sov cits woud not last long in Alpha Complex I love Friend Computer quote:Also the new edition of Unknown Armies has a firearm fetishizing adept school that geta charges from open carrying but loses power if they ever actually shoot someone. sounds like our idiot friends alright whats the name of that game similar to Paranoia but with Cthulu themes? something about being a occult investigator but not very serious
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Sep 13, 2016 01:01
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"Defense attorney Per C. Olson"
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Sep 13, 2016 02:57
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Lutha Mahtin posted:so is that pretty much It's more like the ref giving the Harlem Globetrotters a couple of free throws because the Washington Generals fouled them.
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Sep 13, 2016 04:45
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What is a good, objective source for looking at a rundown of sovcit ideology?
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Sep 13, 2016 13:35
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hangedman1984 posted:What is a good, objective source for looking at a rundown of sovcit ideology?
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hangedman1984 posted:What is a good, objective source for looking at a rundown of sovcit ideology?
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Sep 13, 2016 14:00
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hangedman1984 posted:What is a good, objective source for looking at a rundown of sovcit ideology? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCozh_vbYdM
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Sep 13, 2016 14:02
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Casimir Radon posted:Sniff some paint, only then will you truly understand. Do NOT sniff a paint.
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Sep 13, 2016 14:04
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Azathoth posted:https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement Seconding this. It's extremely good. And also yeah the own video for seeing them in the wild.
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Sep 13, 2016 15:12
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WrenP-Complete posted:Do NOT sniff a paint. inhale a paint
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Sep 13, 2016 15:57
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Create joinder with paintfumes
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Sep 13, 2016 16:20
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Elephant Ambush posted:Seconding this. It's extremely good. http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.html If you have the time and energy to go through a 156 page court decision, an Alberta Superior court judge went into great detail in a divorce case decision.
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Sep 13, 2016 16:33
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Elephant Ambush posted:Seconding this. It's extremely good. It's a toxic stew of survivalists who believe the government is about to collapse, anti-government wingnuts who want to tear the government down, desperate people facing personal and financial ruin, with a light crust of crazyass idiots who post videos of themselves being tasered or arrested on YouTube. The Bundys represent the comically incompetent end of the spectrum, but there's plenty of more dangerously competent people like Gavin Long, the Baton Rouge shooter. The Bundys are funny because they turned out to be all talk, but if the feds hadn't handled the situation as they did, more people would have died than LaVoy Finicum, who seemed to be bound and determined to become a martyr.
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Sep 13, 2016 17:14
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Top City Homo posted:inhale a paint
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Sep 13, 2016 18:06
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Top City Homo posted:inhale a paint Do NOT inhale a pint.
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There is also this, a police training film on sovereign citizens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALPs_n0WQaY And here is the full Stawman video that they show part of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME7K6P7hlko
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Sep 13, 2016 19:07
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The short of sovcits' beliefs is "the government doesn't exist because I say so. I declared myself king and can do anything I want." Everything else they say is just to justify that.
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that strawman video never ceases to get a  out of me
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Rebel Blob posted:There is also this, a police training film on sovereign citizens: Wait, that isn't a parody?
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nm posted:Wait, that isn't a parody? SovCit beliefs are indistinguishable from parodies of SovCit beliefs.
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Sep 13, 2016 21:27
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The whole Strawman mythology they have sounds like it should be a joke but they actually believe it, yes.
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Sep 13, 2016 21:27
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Mors Rattus posted:The whole Strawman mythology they have sounds like it should be a joke but they actually believe it, yes. My favorite bit is their refusal to get what the word "Understand" means.
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Sep 13, 2016 21:32
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WrenP-Complete posted:Do NOT inhale a pint. that's for drinking sily 
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Sep 13, 2016 21:36
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Casimir Radon posted:I saw some poo poo on daytime tv about street kids in Eastern Europe, and they were dancing around singing "We are the Paint Sniffers!" That's what I know about the subject. Also it was at least 15 years ago so they're probably all dead now. paint huffing and sovcits are like bread and butter also i get goose bumps cause i keep thing oh maybe they mean soviet citizens and then i remember its the same for both
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Sep 13, 2016 21:38
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Dr Pepper posted:My favorite bit is their refusal to get what the word "Understand" means. What would happen if a police officer uses "comprehend" instead of "understand"? They're synonyms for the same thing, but "comprehend" can't be rearranged to be to form some bogus rationale for non-compliance. Or better yet, just do everything in Spanish, because "entender" works real well instead and English isn't an official language.
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Sep 13, 2016 22:08
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Mors Rattus posted:The whole Strawman mythology they have sounds like it should be a joke but they actually believe it, yes. Yes, but it was reasonably well produced and I don't expect sov cits to do anythong well. 98% of their license plates are numbers on cardboard ffs. Edit: Black's Law Dictionary is such an important, bindinh source, that I, a lawyer who works for the gubberment, has precisely zero copies. In fact, I'm pretty sure they only exist for 1Ls to buy and then lose in 2L year.
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Young Freud posted:What would happen if a police officer uses "comprehend" instead of "understand"? They're synonyms for the same thing, but "comprehend" can't be rearranged to be to form some bogus rationale for non-compliance. Since they exist to be contrary ad difficult I imagine they'd say they don't know what that word means, fishing for synonyms until "Understand" comes up and start the show.
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nm posted:Yes, but it was reasonably well produced and I don't expect sov cits to do anythong well. Pretty much. Black's Law Dictionary is essentially the Cliff Notes of law and probably held some importance in 20th century law, but with the Internet and databases like LexisNexis making legal research even easier, it's pretty much faded into obscurity with the exception of law students and sovcits. Dr Pepper posted:Since they exist to be contrary ad difficult I imagine they'd say they don't know what that word means, fishing for synonyms until "Understand" comes up and start the show. Well, if they can't underst- interpret a common words like "comprehend" or "comply", then they either can't comprehend and must be placed into protective custody until they can or a lawyer or guardian can explain to them their situation or they're not complying and, well, we go to the next step in the achieving compliance. Part of me wishes we can just bring back Writ of Outlawry for sovcits. Shoot, let's make it self-proscribed like relinquishing citizenship to avoid sticky human rights concerns. I mean, sovcits obviously want to be outside the law, but fail to realize that the post-Magna Carta law is there to protect them.
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Young Freud posted:
Then they'd just say they aren't werewolves so it doesn't apply to them. What are you gonna do now? Huh? Huh? Can't hunt them if they aren't werewolves. Tazing ensues as usual.
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Sep 14, 2016 02:46
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Another thread made me realize how much sovcit have in common with silicon valley disruptors. Chasing a delusional American ideal, ignoring laws in the sake of convenience, making up their own rules and categories and running with them...
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nm posted:Wait, that isn't a parody? It's like an inverse Poe's law. Plus no matter what sort of bug gently caress insane thing you can come up to make fun of a sov cit I can guarantee you that at least a thousand of them have come up with something exponentially crazier. I mean these are people that believe that if you put stamps on a document in a very particular way it means...something...other than "this has enough postage that the postal service will mail it."
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Oh man, I have a friend talking about his mom's experience on Facebook. Apparently, she ended up going to some local event at a public library where the speaker was a former Homeland Security employee. When she got there, it was a nightmare, largely hijacked by the audience of Trump supporters bellyaching about plans to resettle Syrian refugees in Rutland. She called them "really Vermonty" (despite this probably being from Vermont herself) with "long grey beards and a lot of bad ideas". It reminded me of that Ernie Tertelgte, the Living Natural Man, shown in that police sovcit video, so, just remember, this isn't just confined to the Bundys and the American Southwest, these guys are everywhere.
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Second day of oral arguments are about to begin, enjoy some fresh Bundyisms: https://www.scribd.com/document/323980240/09-13-2016-ECF-1264-USA-v-A-Bundy-et-al-Motion-to-Quash-Jury-Pool-by-Ryan-Bundy Shoutout to the Magna Charta.
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Random story time! My little sister was stage handing in the room where the Magna Carta is kept, and I can't remember exactly what was happening, maybe someone needed to set up additional lighting or power but they asked the National Archives people what to do. Upshot is "do it behind the Magna Carta" is now slang for "do it unobtrusively" in her workplace and in our family.
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