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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Seems like a waste to me! Remember that the intro decks are literally the only source for these particular cards. Do you remember what the availability was on the Commander deck that had True-Name Nemesis? And that was a card that's only good in a format orders of magnitude less popular than Standard.
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little munchkin posted:He fails the Sylvan Advocate test. You'll get 2 cards exiled at the most, and most likely just one. Also you don't get the cards at all if he gets hit by a removal spell and you don't have mana up. Insolent Neonate is probably better, because it's a lot more potential damage and roughly the same amount of card filtering. A one-drop drawing a removal spell is honestly pretty great.
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Voyager I posted:A one-drop drawing a removal spell is honestly pretty great. Not so much when the "removal spell" is a Liliana +.
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Sep 13, 2016 16:48
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Jabor posted:Not so much when the "removal spell" is a Liliana +. Fair enough. To be clear, I'm pretty solidly in the "Card is Bad" camp. I just think it's more underwhelming than raw garbage.
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Sep 13, 2016 16:49
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The one argument I can think of for Bomat is that you can play it turn 1 and get an attack because there aren't many one-drops around, then later attack and immediately sac it for 2 cards once your hand is empty. I guess that's not the worst if for some reason there's a deck that's ok with playing Raging Goblin.
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Sep 13, 2016 16:52
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For what it's worth, Bomat Courier only has to attack, not deal damage, to get the trigger. You can effectively cycle it if you're in a late game hellbent and topdecking.
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Sep 13, 2016 16:52
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They will gently caress up on the intro decks at some point and print a good card. And it'll be hilarious for standard when they do.
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Sep 13, 2016 16:54
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Fingers McLongDong posted:For what it's worth, Bomat Courier only has to attack, not deal damage, to get the trigger. You can effectively cycle it if you're in a late game hellbent and topdecking. Can't wait for somebody at competitive REL to sac it in response to the trigger and draw no cards
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Sep 13, 2016 17:01
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The argument for Bomat Courier is that it swings on turn 1 before the opponent even has a land. It's unplayable as long as Sylvan Advocate is in Standard. Shadows block has Duskwatch Recruiter, Grim Flayer, Hanweir Militia Captain, Lambholt Pacifist, Thermo-Alchemist, and Thing in the Ice as value 2-drops that dunk it, too. This is just not the time for a 1/1 with haste for 1. Hell, I doubt Legion Loyalist would make it anywhere in this hell.
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Sep 13, 2016 17:02
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little munchkin posted:He fails the Sylvan Advocate test. You'll get 2 cards exiled at the most, and most likely just one. Also you don't get the cards at all if he gets hit by a removal spell and you don't have mana up. Insolent Neonate is probably better, because it's a lot more potential damage and roughly the same amount of card filtering. If a 1 drop needs to be able to profitably attack past Sylvan Advocate to be viable then I guess we better hope Wild Nacatl and Foundry Street Denizen get reprinted.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The argument for Bomat Courier is that it swings on turn 1 before the opponent even has a land.
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Sep 13, 2016 17:05
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Bomat Courier's entire concept is adorable. Its a robit that takes your presents and delivers them to your friends. 
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Sep 13, 2016 17:11
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If it's only 2 drops you have to worry about I think it may have a shot. The fact that it's a one-drop that effectively cycles when topdecked is also neat.
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Sep 13, 2016 17:13
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Could Bomat Courier be playable in Modern affinity? The CMC is right and affinity has the tools to give it relevant p/t. I don't see it going so far as to replace thoughtcast, but in version running galvanic blast they might shave a copy to try and keep up on card advantage cards with slightly better mana than before.
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Sep 13, 2016 17:18
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Jabor posted:Remember that the intro decks are literally the only source for these particular cards. That was a matter of making a dumb decision to make lopsided decks that left retailers with leftover product. Same thing with scavenging ooze. A more apt comparison are the event decks and clash packs where there was only one type and they sold well aside from the dumb modern event deck for $50? 70?  There's no problem with them, unless you think retailers moving product is a bad thing.
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So gremlins are just anteaters then
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Whirler is cool
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Sep 13, 2016 17:40
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Oldsrocket_27 posted:Could Bomat Courier be playable in Modern affinity? The CMC is right and affinity has the tools to give it relevant p/t. I don't see it going so far as to replace thoughtcast, but in version running galvanic blast they might shave a copy to try and keep up on card advantage cards with slightly better mana than before. Affinity doesn't really care about cards as much as it cares about starting as fast as possible.
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Sep 13, 2016 17:45
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I wonder if Salivating Gremlins could be played in Pauper, or if there's already a card that does the same thing but better that makes it not worth it.
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Sep 13, 2016 17:49
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The Shortest Path posted:I wonder if Salivating Gremlins could be played in Pauper, or if there's already a card that does the same thing but better that makes it not worth it. I don't play Pauper, but at first blush it just looks too weak. Looks quite good in Limited, though.
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Sep 13, 2016 17:53
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This isn't even Sandsteppe Outcast's final form!!!
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Sep 13, 2016 18:01
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salivating gremlins doesn't really live anywhere and the effect is already way better and cheaper on foundry street denizen
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Sep 13, 2016 18:13
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The Shortest Path posted:I wonder if Salivating Gremlins could be played in Pauper, or if there's already a card that does the same thing but better that makes it not worth it. It doesn't measure up to Atog terribly well.
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Sep 13, 2016 18:13
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I hope Kaladesh limited plays as well as it looks so far because I want to build a draft sim cube of it.
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Sep 13, 2016 18:14
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LordSaturn posted:It doesn't measure up to Atog terribly well. the fact that atog can dodge removal means i didn't even bother making the comparison. this dude only gets strong.
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Sep 13, 2016 18:15
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rabidsquid posted:the fact that atog can dodge removal means i didn't even bother making the comparison. this dude only gets strong. you should probably calm down some, you compared Badtog to FSD for some inscrutable reason
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Sep 13, 2016 18:17
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ah yes. i am sorry, i was just so mad!
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Sep 13, 2016 18:42
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They missed out not having the red creatures be Apes.
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Sep 13, 2016 18:44
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The flavor text is a deck-building analogy.
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Sep 13, 2016 18:44
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Sweet Kird Ape. I know affinity needs a critical mass, but could this maybe see play? I figure it might if the artifacts lands were legal, but that's not happening.
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Sep 13, 2016 18:46
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mehall posted:Sweet Kird Ape. affinity does not want a creature that can't be sacrificed to ravager, get counters from said ravager, or be pumped by steel overseer
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Sep 13, 2016 18:50
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oh it also doesn't help with mox opal metalcraft, and if it gets cast on the first turn with glimmervoid you're gonna have a bad time if you have no memnites or ornothopters
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apprentice into scrapheap into something seems like a pretty good curve. you can run that three man r/b kill spell that got spoiled too.
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This card has the word "artifact" in it could it maybe be good enough for affinity?????
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Affinity will be a Kaladesh block constructed deck after this set.
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i'm actually kind of hoping r/b artifact midrange will be a deck there seems to be a few cards that would be for it.
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