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mustbetv
Dec 29, 2008
Thanks to all for the 840 EVO input. I was horrified that I'd gotten ambitious and ended up throwing money and utility away. Nice to know it still can serve its intended purpose.

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ScaerCroe
Oct 6, 2006
IRRITANT
I am looking for something like this for mainly gaming and a little coding. I have a a budget of $750 and I am in the US.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/scVgBP

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($198.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($63.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($37.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: A-Data Premier Pro SP600 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB WINDFORCE OC 6G Video Card ($265.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($38.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 750W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $0.00)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0B DVD/CD Writer ($15.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $695.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-13 18:51 EDT-0400

Regrettable
Jan 5, 2010



I just confirmed that you do not have to buy a new copy of Windows 10 if you upgrade your motherboard. Just contact Microsoft support and provide your name, e-mail address, and activation key when they ask and they will help you. They had to generate a new key for me and it took about an hour but it worked.

e: might want to add this to the op?

e2: I forgot to say that they also want your phone number.

Regrettable fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Sep 14, 2016

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Aviron posted:

Upgrading to an i5-6600k would fit the budget still. Do you think it's a good idea? I have never done overclocking, but I'm not opposed to it.

If you get an i5-6600k, you would need to keep the cooler and choose a different (Z-type) motherboard as your current choice doesn't allow overclocking. You would then additionally be able to use faster RAM (3000 MHZ for example).

In games the limiting factor will most likely be your graphics card and not the CPU, but for your system in general overclocking is a good way to boost it and extend its longevity. It's also never been easier. If you get lucky, you can get that i5-6600k up to about 4.5GHz with acceptably low voltage and temperatures, which is quite a significant difference compared to the i5-6500 even TurboBoosted. Yes, I would recommend overclocking, but only if it's worth the price premium to you.

Waarg
Apr 21, 2005

Thrashing in the waves

Can I get a sanity check on this build please? Will it all fit in the case?

What country are you in? United Kingdom
What are you using the system for? Gaming, running multiple VMs, 3D Design, music production
What's your budget? ~1000 GBP
If you’re doing professional work, what software do you need to use? VMWare Workstation, GNS3, Solidworks
If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution? 1080p

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($235.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z170I PRO GAMING Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($165.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB SC GAMING Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Silverstone 600W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply ($103.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $880.90


1043 GBP

Lackmaster
Mar 1, 2011
First time builder

Country: US
Use: mostly GIS and other raster crunching. Was told CPU and SSD would be most important factors as ArcGIS is an unoptimized buggy piece of poo poo.
Budget: looking for about $500. Hoping to get a solid foundation for not too much that'll get me through my masters program. Then possibly doing gaming upgrades in a few years. Already have a monitor and keyboard/mouse.

Anything to improve on here? Can I get a cheaper case? Is my RAM overkill? Thanks in advance

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake CLP0556-B 39.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($8.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($6.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($69.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($44.78 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $483.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-14 00:41 EDT-0400

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Dumb question, but how do PSU manufacturers calculate MTBF? The Rosewill Capstone I just got says mean time between failure of 100,000 hours at 80% load. I'm pretty sure they didn't leave them running for 11+ years to find out before they released them. Or do they just calculate an estimate?

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

22 Eargesplitten posted:

Dumb question, but how do PSU manufacturers calculate MTBF? The Rosewill Capstone I just got says mean time between failure of 100,000 hours at 80% load. I'm pretty sure they didn't leave them running for 11+ years to find out before they released them. Or do they just calculate an estimate?

MTBF is a specific value that you can calculate by statistical data across a large sample set. I forget the specifics (it's been forever since my engineering prob/stats class), but this seems to do an okay overview:

http://world-class-manufacturing.com/KPI/mtbf.html

Eletriarnation
Apr 6, 2005

People don't appreciate the substance of things...
objects in space.


Oven Wrangler

Lackmaster posted:

First time builder

Country: US
Use: mostly GIS and other raster crunching. Was told CPU and SSD would be most important factors as ArcGIS is an unoptimized buggy piece of poo poo.
Budget: looking for about $500. Hoping to get a solid foundation for not too much that'll get me through my masters program. Then possibly doing gaming upgrades in a few years. Already have a monitor and keyboard/mouse.

Anything to improve on here? Can I get a cheaper case? Is my RAM overkill? Thanks in advance

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake CLP0556-B 39.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($8.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($6.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($69.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($44.78 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $483.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-14 00:41 EDT-0400

That CPU cooler looks... not great. Check out a tower cooler like the Cryorig H7 or Cooler Master Hyper 212 series. There are newer thermal pastes than AS5 that are nonconductive and work just as well, I've used Tuniq's TX-2 recently - although the cooler probably will come with a little bit that will work well enough.

You can't overclock with an H110 motherboard, so look for a Z170 model. If you can get faster RAM for not too much money it will end up making a small difference with games.

The power supply isn't wrong in any way, but it's basically the cheapest thing that could possibly be worth recommending. I would look for a 500+W model that's Gold efficiency rated ideally.

You have an ATX case for a mini-ITX motherboard. You could get a much smaller case and be fine.

HMS Boromir
Jul 16, 2011

by Lowtax
I don't think $500 is going to be enough for an i5-6600K build unless you make a lot of inadvisable sacrifices. Particularly, that SSD is not a good look. Here's something more balanced:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($198.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock B150M Pro4V Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($72.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk X400 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($42.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($43.33 @ OutletPC)
Total: $492.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-14 02:30 EDT-0400

Went down to an i5-6500, but added more RAM (and a motherboard with more RAM slots, in case you ever need 32GB) along with a reputable SSD and a slightly better power supply.

I don't know too much about cases but this is one of the cheapest mATX ones right now that I know comes recommended, you could go for something cheaper if you're not too picky about that. You can also get a cheaper motherboard if you don't mind buying a replacement set of RAM if you ever want more than 16GB in the system's lifetime. The savings could go into getting a Samsung 850 EVO over the X400 SSD.

becoming
Aug 25, 2004

Waarg posted:

Can I get a sanity check on this build please? Will it all fit in the case?

What country are you in? United Kingdom
What are you using the system for? Gaming, running multiple VMs, 3D Design, music production
What's your budget? ~1000 GBP
If you’re doing professional work, what software do you need to use? VMWare Workstation, GNS3, Solidworks
If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution? 1080p

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($235.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z170I PRO GAMING Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($165.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB SC GAMING Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Silverstone 600W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply ($103.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $880.90


1043 GBP

Looks good, and it will fit. I have a Node 304 build with that exact same motherboard and PSU. I am running an even taller heat tower and it fits with plenty of room to spare. The SFX PSU will allow plenty of clearance for your video card.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

Waarg posted:

Can I get a sanity check on this build please? Will it all fit in the case?

What country are you in? United Kingdom
What are you using the system for? Gaming, running multiple VMs, 3D Design, music production
What's your budget? ~1000 GBP
If you’re doing professional work, what software do you need to use? VMWare Workstation, GNS3, Solidworks
If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution? 1080p

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($235.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z170I PRO GAMING Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($165.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB SC GAMING Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Silverstone 600W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply ($103.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $880.90


1043 GBP

FYI, there's a UK version of PC Part Picker:

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/

I've found lately that Scan isn't top dog for price any more, so unless you're getting a specific bundle with a discount from them it's worth shopping around.

mega dy
Dec 6, 2003

Lackmaster posted:

First time builder

Country: US
Use: mostly GIS and other raster crunching. Was told CPU and SSD would be most important factors as ArcGIS is an unoptimized buggy piece of poo poo.
Budget: looking for about $500. Hoping to get a solid foundation for not too much that'll get me through my masters program. Then possibly doing gaming upgrades in a few years. Already have a monitor and keyboard/mouse.

Anything to improve on here? Can I get a cheaper case? Is my RAM overkill? Thanks in advance

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Thermaltake CLP0556-B 39.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($8.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($6.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($69.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($44.78 @ OutletPC)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $483.49
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-14 00:41 EDT-0400
Hello fellow GIS person. That is probably not enough memory. I have 32GB on my work machine and often approach the limit when crunching dense vector datasets. I'd recommend you go up to 32.

Also ArcGIS is not fantastic for crunching large datasets; you may want to examine something like FME or more specialized raster software.

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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Is there any feasible PC build that can broadly match a PS4 Pro? I'd suggest that it has to be small form factor, have wifi, have an RX 470 or equivalent GPU, have enough threads to be able to launch modern Ubisoft games and enough CPU power to not cripple the RX 470.

The best I could do is almost twice as expensive as a PS4 Pro:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-6100 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($67.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Avexir Core Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($31.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: A-Data Premier SP550 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($58.97 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 470 4GB Red Dragon Video Card ($194.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Silverstone ML08B-H HTPC Case ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: FSP Group 450W 80+ Bronze Certified SFX Power Supply ($65.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.88 @ OutletPC)
Total: $699.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-14 12:35 EDT-0400

Twerk from Home fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Sep 14, 2016

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

That's what tends to happen with contemporary consoles.

Alzion
Dec 31, 2006
Technically a '06

Waarg posted:

Can I get a sanity check on this build please? Will it all fit in the case?

What country are you in? United Kingdom
What are you using the system for? Gaming, running multiple VMs, 3D Design, music production
What's your budget? ~1000 GBP
If you’re doing professional work, what software do you need to use? VMWare Workstation, GNS3, Solidworks
If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution? 1080p

PCPartPicker part list

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($235.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus Z170I PRO GAMING Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($165.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($169.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB SC GAMING Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Silverstone 600W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular SFX Power Supply ($103.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $880.90


1043 GBP

In your parts list you have a GTX 1060 selected, but in the picture of your cart you have a GTX 970. Make sure you don't end up buying a 970 by mistake.

Aviron
Oct 6, 2011

Phlegmish posted:

If you get an i5-6600k, you would need to keep the cooler and choose a different (Z-type) motherboard as your current choice doesn't allow overclocking. You would then additionally be able to use faster RAM (3000 MHZ for example).

In games the limiting factor will most likely be your graphics card and not the CPU, but for your system in general overclocking is a good way to boost it and extend its longevity. It's also never been easier. If you get lucky, you can get that i5-6600k up to about 4.5GHz with acceptably low voltage and temperatures, which is quite a significant difference compared to the i5-6500 even TurboBoosted. Yes, I would recommend overclocking, but only if it's worth the price premium to you.

I've thinking about it and yeah, it isn't that much of a price increase and after looking a few guides, it looks easy enough that I'm tempted to give it a try. I think I'm going to go with this:


CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (Ł210.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (Ł28.97 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (Ł94.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (Ł76.86 @ More Computers)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Ł79.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Ł42.99 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 480 4GB NITRO+ 4G Video Card (Ł204.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Mini R2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (Ł67.82 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (Ł79.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter (Ł23.00 @ BT Shop)
Total: Ł909.59

HMS Boromir
Jul 16, 2011

by Lowtax

Aviron posted:

I've thinking about it and yeah, it isn't that much of a price increase and after looking a few guides, it looks easy enough that I'm tempted to give it a try. I think I'm going to go with this:

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (Ł210.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (Ł28.97 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (Ł94.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (Ł76.86 @ More Computers)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Ł79.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (Ł42.99 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 480 4GB NITRO+ 4G Video Card (Ł204.98 @ Scan.co.uk)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Mini R2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case (Ł67.82 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (Ł79.99 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter (Ł23.00 @ BT Shop)
Total: Ł909.59

Some small changes I'd make:

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (Ł74.77 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (Ł82.99 @ Amazon UK)

Faster RAM and a power supply of similar quality but twice the warranty, roughly the same cost.

Heres Hank
Oct 20, 2008
What country are you in? USA
What are you using the system for? Gaming, videos, photoshop, some light modding on bethesda games
What is your budget? ~1300
If you are gaming, what's your monitor resolution? 1080p

Is there a reason to not just go with the default build on PCPartPicker? What should be changed here that could be better for the money? Cheaper case, I'm guessing?

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: *MSI Z170A SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($118.49 @ OutletPC)
Memory: *GeIL EVO POTENZA 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: *OCZ TRION 150 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: *Toshiba 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($86.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: *Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card ($399.99 @ B&H)
Case: Corsair Carbide 400C ATX Mid Tower Case ($99.99 @ Best Buy)
Power Supply: *SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1242.30

HMS Boromir
Jul 16, 2011

by Lowtax

Heres Hank posted:

Is there a reason to not just go with the default build on PCPartPicker? What should be changed here that could be better for the money? Cheaper case, I'm guessing?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($99.98 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($66.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($156.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Toshiba 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($86.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card ($399.99 @ B&H)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($42.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1176.58
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-14 14:49 EDT-0400

- No need for a water cooler, air will do fine.
- Cheaper motherboard. I assume you weren't planning to actually use that board's SLI capabilities.
- Fast RAM.
- A known good SSD, no need to cheap out given your budget. Left in the 3TB platter drive, though obviously you can can get something smaller if you don't need all that space.
- Cheaper case.

Optimistic Puma
Aug 7, 2007
Where did the seagulls take my sister?
Edit: I think what I want is SA Penny-Pincher

Country: USA
Use: Gaming
Budget: $500-800
Monitor: none

My family has had macs for most of my life but all my friends have PCs. I just want to play with my friends and I'm not too concerned in high end gaming. I have an anxiety disorder and I don't think I have it in me to build something from scratch(but I can try if it's not too hard!) I was originally looking for something prebuilt that I can upgrade. I was looking at the Alienware Aurora R5 but would like to hear if I should build my own PC for cheaper.

P.S. I have access to some friends that built their own PC but they seem to get their stuff from Ibuypower which I've read isn't very reliable?

Optimistic Puma fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Sep 15, 2016

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



I'm trying to decide whether or not it's worth upgrading my GPU now and trying to hold out for another 12-18 months before a full system upgrade, or just do a full upgrade early next year. Thoughts?

Neo_Crimson
Aug 15, 2011

"Is that your final dandy?"

Shooting Blanks posted:

I'm trying to decide whether or not it's worth upgrading my GPU now and trying to hold out for another 12-18 months before a full system upgrade, or just do a full upgrade early next year. Thoughts?



Sandy Bridge CPUs are still pretty good, especially OC'd. So I'd upgrade the GPU now and maybe add another 8 GB of RAM.

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015
What country are you in? Czech Republic. Thats middle of nowhere in the middle of Europe :v:.
What are you using the system for? Gaming, coding, testing scientific code (I have access to beefy servers for actual hard work)
What's your budget? Lets call it $1100, but its important to note that costs can be quite higher than in US. Its a soft limit though.
What software do you need to use? The most demanding SW is probably going to be C++ compilers, because that poo poo can eat all the hardware you throw at a problem.
Games and resolution I am planning on getting FreeSync ultrawide with 2560x1080, and I want to play modern games on it. Don't mind if I can't use Ultra preset, but it should look good and be smooth.


Parts
CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 8GB GAMING X Video Card
Case: BitFenix Shinobi ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Total: $1034.60

Basically I went with SA Performance Gamer and threw in parts that seemed good and I could source them in local shops at reasonable cost.
Questions
  • Should I get different cooler? Hyper 212 EVO seems to be often recommended on the internet, but the OP recommends different ones.
  • Should I get thermal paste?
  • Fractal Design Define R5 looks really nice, but costs significantly more. Should I get it anyway? :v:
  • Should I get a better PSU? I have good experience with Seasonic, so I trust it, but after having a PC burn itself out because of bad PSU, I am willing to to go over the limit for higher end model.

Waarg
Apr 21, 2005

Thrashing in the waves

becoming posted:

Looks good, and it will fit. I have a Node 304 build with that exact same motherboard and PSU. I am running an even taller heat tower and it fits with plenty of room to spare. The SFX PSU will allow plenty of clearance for your video card.

Sweet as.

Alzion posted:

In your parts list you have a GTX 1060 selected, but in the picture of your cart you have a GTX 970. Make sure you don't end up buying a 970 by mistake.

Yeah I got the 1060, thanks!

InteliWasp
Jan 9, 2015
What country are you in?
USA
What are you using the system for?
Gaming primarily and some other things like virtualization
What's your budget?
$700 usd
If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution?
dual screen 1080p

I already have a video card (GTX 750 ti) and a hard drive (WD 1TB green) from my old computer that died suddenly. I fully intend to upgrade the video card at some point but the 750 just works and i would rather put in for a better processor/mobo and upgrade the video card later

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($213.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus H170 PRO GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($102.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($68.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($166.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Antec GX500 ATX Mid Tower Case ($57.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $689.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-14 19:49 EDT-0400

Eletriarnation
Apr 6, 2005

People don't appreciate the substance of things...
objects in space.


Oven Wrangler

Xarn posted:

What country are you in? Czech Republic. Thats middle of nowhere in the middle of Europe :v:.
What are you using the system for? Gaming, coding, testing scientific code (I have access to beefy servers for actual hard work)
What's your budget? Lets call it $1100, but its important to note that costs can be quite higher than in US. Its a soft limit though.
What software do you need to use? The most demanding SW is probably going to be C++ compilers, because that poo poo can eat all the hardware you throw at a problem.
Games and resolution I am planning on getting FreeSync ultrawide with 2560x1080, and I want to play modern games on it. Don't mind if I can't use Ultra preset, but it should look good and be smooth.


Parts
CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 8GB GAMING X Video Card
Case: BitFenix Shinobi ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 520W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Total: $1034.60

Basically I went with SA Performance Gamer and threw in parts that seemed good and I could source them in local shops at reasonable cost.
Questions
  • Should I get different cooler? Hyper 212 EVO seems to be often recommended on the internet, but the OP recommends different ones.
  • Should I get thermal paste?
  • Fractal Design Define R5 looks really nice, but costs significantly more. Should I get it anyway? :v:
  • Should I get a better PSU? I have good experience with Seasonic, so I trust it, but after having a PC burn itself out because of bad PSU, I am willing to to go over the limit for higher end model.

- The Hyper 212 EVO is a fine cooler. I know that some people like the Cryorig H7's installation procedure more and say that it performs better, but having installed at least 3 Hyper 212s myself I can say that they're quite adequate for a 95W proc even with a mild OC and they are not hard to install.
- It comes with enough thermal paste for a few installations. If you want a bit extra, I like Tuniq TX-2 but there are a lot of options and what kind you use generally doesn't matter nearly as much as proper amount and application.
- The Shinobi looks perfectly functional but has fewer extra features like modular panels/drive bays and space for drives/cable management behind the motherboard. I really like the closely related Define S and have a friend who has the R5 and likes it a lot, but I don't think you'll have problems with the case you chose so it's totally how much those features are worth to you.
- The PSU should be totally adequate. I wouldn't get anything less capable than that but all of your other components here put together shouldn't really use more than 350W, probably more like 300.

Lackmaster
Mar 1, 2011

HMS Boromir posted:

I don't think $500 is going to be enough for an i5-6600K build unless you make a lot of inadvisable sacrifices. Particularly, that SSD is not a good look. Here's something more balanced:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($198.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock B150M Pro4V Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($72.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($53.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk X400 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($42.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($43.33 @ OutletPC)
Total: $492.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-14 02:30 EDT-0400

Went down to an i5-6500, but added more RAM (and a motherboard with more RAM slots, in case you ever need 32GB) along with a reputable SSD and a slightly better power supply.

I don't know too much about cases but this is one of the cheapest mATX ones right now that I know comes recommended, you could go for something cheaper if you're not too picky about that. You can also get a cheaper motherboard if you don't mind buying a replacement set of RAM if you ever want more than 16GB in the system's lifetime. The savings could go into getting a Samsung 850 EVO over the X400 SSD.

How's this look? Is the RAM overpriced? Is the motherboard alright?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($198.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock B150M Pro4V Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($72.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($72.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Sandisk X400 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($42.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($43.33 @ OutletPC)
Total: $536.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-14 20:44 EDT-0400

Flocons de Jambon
Apr 11, 2015
Anyone dealt with NCIX customer service before? I bought a bunch of components from them and one of them is missing. I didn't look when I signed for it. I've opened a ticket with them, but I basically have no proof it's missing except my word of honour.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Yes I have and it's exceptional. I once put a screwdriver through a motherboard while mounting a CPU cooler (12+ years ago) and they just gave me a new one no questions asked. I'm quite sure you'll have no issue.

A Proper Uppercut
Sep 30, 2008

Might be building a new gaming PC within a few months. I'm thinking of trying to do a smaller form factor this time around instead of mid or full tower. Just wondering if anyone has a recommendations on smaller form factor cases and motherboards. I'm still going go want a full size video card. I've only done air cooling in all my previous PCs, would consider liquid if it made anything easier.

Numinous
May 20, 2001

College Slice

A Proper Uppercut posted:

Might be building a new gaming PC within a few months. I'm thinking of trying to do a smaller form factor this time around instead of mid or full tower. Just wondering if anyone has a recommendations on smaller form factor cases and motherboards. I'm still going go want a full size video card. I've only done air cooling in all my previous PCs, would consider liquid if it made anything easier.

Check out the NCASE M1. It's so f'ing sexy. Then check out the mini ITX thread for some good build ideas if you are looking at that route.

https://www.ncases.com/

Also, wait for Kaby Lake.

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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Numinous posted:

Also, wait for Kaby Lake.

Is ~200mhz really worth waiting 5 months for? I think there's less reason to wait than there ever has been at this point in Intel's CPU cycle.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



Numinous posted:

Check out the NCASE M1. It's so f'ing sexy. Then check out the mini ITX thread for some good build ideas if you are looking at that route.

https://www.ncases.com/

Also, wait for Kaby Lake.

Anything similar with the USB ports (and everything else front mounted) not at the very bottom? I keep my case on the floor, that's rather inconvenient.

HMS Boromir
Jul 16, 2011

by Lowtax

Lackmaster posted:

How's this look? Is the RAM overpriced? Is the motherboard alright?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($198.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock B150M Pro4V Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($72.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($72.99 @ B&H)
Storage: Sandisk X400 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($42.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($43.33 @ OutletPC)
Total: $536.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-14 20:44 EDT-0400

Motherboard is fine. RAM isn't overpriced, per se, but there's essentially no difference between kits in your situation so it makes sense to pick up the cheapest one you can find. The CPU cooler is unnecessary except for silence reasons, so if you don't mind the sound of an Intel stock cooler you can just use that and save some money.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Shooting Blanks posted:

Anything similar with the USB ports (and everything else front mounted) not at the very bottom? I keep my case on the floor, that's rather inconvenient.

It's obviously personal preference but you're going to find that most m-itx cases are designed to be on desks and if you keep your case on the floor you're one of very few m-itx people who do.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



VelociBacon posted:

It's obviously personal preference but you're going to find that most m-itx cases are designed to be on desks and if you keep your case on the floor you're one of very few m-itx people who do.

Welp...guess I'll look at something other than m-itx.

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015

Eletriarnation posted:

- The Hyper 212 EVO is a fine cooler. I know that some people like the Cryorig H7's installation procedure more and say that it performs better, but having installed at least 3 Hyper 212s myself I can say that they're quite adequate for a 95W proc even with a mild OC and they are not hard to install.
- It comes with enough thermal paste for a few installations. If you want a bit extra, I like Tuniq TX-2 but there are a lot of options and what kind you use generally doesn't matter nearly as much as proper amount and application.
- The Shinobi looks perfectly functional but has fewer extra features like modular panels/drive bays and space for drives/cable management behind the motherboard. I really like the closely related Define S and have a friend who has the R5 and likes it a lot, but I don't think you'll have problems with the case you chose so it's totally how much those features are worth to you.
- The PSU should be totally adequate. I wouldn't get anything less capable than that but all of your other components here put together shouldn't really use more than 350W, probably more like 300.

- I can't actually get Cryorig easily :v:. How is the Hyper 212 Evo versus a Noctua NH-L12? The Noctua should be quieter, but I worry about its cooling a bit.
- While I agree that the Define S is much nicer, it also costs almost twice as much as Bitfenix. :v:
- Yeah, I wasn't thinking about getting PSU with more wattage, rather one with modular cables and better efficiency, ie Seasonic G Series 550W.

Xarn fucked around with this message at 09:56 on Sep 15, 2016

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

The noctua will be fine and maybe quieter. I don't find my 212 evo to be loud at all (with two fans mounted to it) but it's also in a case on my floor.

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Xarn
Jun 26, 2015
Ended up going with this

Parts
CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: NOCTUA NH-L12
Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 8GB GAMING X Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Define R5 Black
Power Supply: Seasonic G Series 550W

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