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homeowner 39 22.41%
renter 69 39.66%
stupid peace of poo poo 66 37.93%
Total: 174 votes
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whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Lol Vancouver city fixed the exact same problem with a simple and innocuous law change. All it takes is a government that a: doesn't have it's hand in it's dick and
b: isn't heavily personally profiting off the misery of its constituents.

PS what kind of job pays more than $80K and requires literally no cognitive function? Because it might be worth working with Jeff for that kind of pay/responsibility ratio.

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WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Infotainment! posted:


PS what kind of job pays more than $80K and requires literally no cognitive function?

Uh

Anyone wanna make a National Party joke here or do I gotta jump on the grenade here.

whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

WarpedNaba posted:

Uh

Anyone wanna make a National Party joke here or do I gotta jump on the grenade here.

Lives in Wellington / everything's fine / blames minorities while encouraging immigration / visibly erect at the suffering of others.

Checks out

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




WarpedNaba posted:

It's not booming, when was the last time you saw a lab go skyward?

Couple of days ago


Random car fires in Hastings? Gotta be a boatload of booming meth surely

Bushmaori
Mar 8, 2009

Displeased Moo Cow posted:

Couple of days ago


Random car fires in Hastings? Gotta be a boatload of booming meth surely

I got a family member in the police in Hastings/Napier, they say its a pretty big problem.

Robo Captain
Sep 28, 2013
I thought I was on track to getting a house but the average price in my area is up 60k from this time last year so idk

Also I don't live in Auckland.

Sorryformybadjokes
Apr 21, 2004

I identify as a simian who pronounces the 'silent' letters in words.
Fallen Rib
Wow i'm not sure how I became such a focus of hate but please don't blame me for your current situation.

All I'll saying is there are options that are often overlooked, and what we have in nz is an actual support network where if you are brave enough to ask for help you'll often find it!

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Displeased Moo Cow posted:

Couple of days ago

poo poo, really?

Displeased Moo Cow posted:

Random car fires in Hastings? Gotta be a boatload of booming meth surely

All this tells me is that the hoons still take the concept of burnouts waaay to literally.

whiter than a Wilco show
Mar 30, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Jeff Sichoe posted:

Wow i'm not sure how I became such a focus of hate but please don't blame me for your current situation.

All I'll saying is there are options that are often overlooked, and what we have in nz is an actual support network where if you are brave enough to ask for help you'll often find it!

This is not true

Spiteski
Aug 27, 2013



Jeff Sichoe posted:

Wow i'm not sure how I became such a focus of hate but please don't blame me for your current situation.

All I'll saying is there are options that are often overlooked available to a select few, and what we have in nz is an actual support network where if you are brave enough to ask for help you'll often find it has been cut due to underfunding!

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




WarpedNaba posted:

poo poo, really?


I have no idea. One can only assume.

BuckyDoneGun
Nov 30, 2004
fat drunk
It's like Jeff got sick of waiting on hold to talk to Leighton Smith and decided to post on the forums instead.

Sorryformybadjokes
Apr 21, 2004

I identify as a simian who pronounces the 'silent' letters in words.
Fallen Rib
I guess i'm sorry I raised the super controversial opinion of moving to an area where your potential income more closely aligns with your living costs.

If you are truly in a situation from which you cannot recover, through no fault of your own, and our social services have failed you, then I am sorry. That's not my fault, however.

Within IT in Wellington we are dying for young critical thinkers who actually want a career. The problem we have is the initial pay, and benefits, aren't what young people actually want or expect.

I tried supermarket supervisor, construction, farm work, helpdesk, and decided that an office job was for me. After 10 years working my way up i'm FINALLY at a point where I feel comfortable.

This poo poo didn't magically happen.

Yes there is luck involved. It's luck I don't get owned by a drunk driver every day on my bike. It's luck that a position opened when I was looking. I still had to actually do the work, and show that I was capable of learning.

Ask questions, show enthusiasm. I've already offered to help someone get their foot in the door of IT. That would make my day to be able to help someone like that.

Anyway, hope you all have a good Friday and remember it's school holidays next week (I think) so the traffic shouldn't be quite so mental! :)

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Morning Jeff.

I like how often you reiterate that you're not to blame for anything while you simultaneously dish out blame at an individual level to complete strangers for not solving a problem of governance.

Varkk
Apr 17, 2004

Jeff Sichoe posted:

I guess i'm sorry I raised the super controversial opinion of moving to an area where your potential income more closely aligns with your living costs.

Except that there actually aren't that many jobs out in the regions and even fewer that will pay at a level where "income more closely aligns with your living costs."

Encouraging people to move out of Auckland will help alleviate the housing issues there. However to do that you need to address the reasons why so many choose to live there. Simply telling people to get jobs out in areas which don't have many. Sure you can find a few on Google but there just aren't that many compared to the number already looking let alone enough to absorb a useful number from Auckland. This combined with employers in the regions tending to undervalue salaries and respond with land prices here being lower than on Auckland so it doesn't matter when challenged. The reality is that it does matter as food and anything else you want to buy costs more. Assuming it is available, a lot of stuff just doesn't land in a store outside of the main centres.

The Rabbi T. White
Jul 17, 2008





kris_b posted:

It's like Jeff got sick of waiting on hold to talk to Leighton Smith and decided to post on the forums instead.

Sorryformybadjokes
Apr 21, 2004

I identify as a simian who pronounces the 'silent' letters in words.
Fallen Rib

Varkk posted:

Except that there actually aren't that many jobs out in the regions and even fewer that will pay at a level where "income more closely aligns with your living costs."

Encouraging people to move out of Auckland will help alleviate the housing issues there. However to do that you need to address the reasons why so many choose to live there. Simply telling people to get jobs out in areas which don't have many. Sure you can find a few on Google but there just aren't that many compared to the number already looking let alone enough to absorb a useful number from Auckland. This combined with employers in the regions tending to undervalue salaries and respond with land prices here being lower than on Auckland so it doesn't matter when challenged. The reality is that it does matter as food and anything else you want to buy costs more. Assuming it is available, a lot of stuff just doesn't land in a store outside of the main centres.

http://www.mbie.govt.nz/publications-research/research/migrants---monitoring/migration-trends-and-outlook-2014-15.pdf

quote:

Highlights in 2014/15

A total of 28,548 people were approved to work in New Zealand under the Essential Skills
policy
, an increase of 8 per cent from 2013/14. This was the third year-on-year increase in
Essential Skills workers since the start of the global financial crisis.

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/employ-migrants/hire-a-candidate/support-a-candidates-visa-application/essential-skills-visa

quote:

If you’ve made genuine attempts to recruit New Zealanders to fill a position and you haven’t been able to find anyone, you may be able to support an overseas worker’s visa application.

http://skillshortages.immigration.govt.nz/?_ga=1.102374593.1153487230.1473977485

^ list of skill shortages, based on region.

http://www.careers.govt.nz/courses/study-and-training-options/adults-considering-training-or-retraining/

^ apprenticeships for adults looking at retraining


but yeah, i'm the bad guy because what i'm saying and showing you is somehow offensive.

Sorryformybadjokes
Apr 21, 2004

I identify as a simian who pronounces the 'silent' letters in words.
Fallen Rib

Ghostlight posted:

Morning Jeff.

I like how often you reiterate that you're not to blame for anything while you simultaneously dish out blame at an individual level to complete strangers for not solving a problem of governance.

I'm not blaming anyone i'm saying there are options outside of sitting there crying into your hands while you complain about the government not doing enough to help.

Sorryformybadjokes
Apr 21, 2004

I identify as a simian who pronounces the 'silent' letters in words.
Fallen Rib
Trades Motor Mechanic
(General)
(Automotive Air
Conditioning
Technician) (321211)

One of the following qualifications:
- National Certificate in Motor Industry (Automotive Specialist
Engineering) (NZQF Level 4) relevant strand is Automotive
Heating, Ventilation, and Air Conditioning
- National Certificate in Motor Industry (Automotive Air
Conditioning) (NZQF Level 4)
AND
a minimum of three years’ relevant post–qualification work
experience

All regions

So we are at the point where across the country (all regions) air conditioning automotive mechanic is literally on the 'Immediate skill shortage' list.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



The skill shortage is in experienced air conditioning automotive mechanics, not in air conditioning automotive mechanics.

Jeff Sichoe posted:

I'm not blaming anyone i'm saying there are options outside of sitting there crying into your hands while you complain about the government not doing enough to help.
That's implicitly blaming people for not taking those options.

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

Jeff you still didn't address the fact that Auckland needs people to live there and do lower paid jobs. Your solution works at an individual level for a handful of people who are able to be mobile, but it doesn't work on the larger scale. Something needs to be done to fix the systematic problem of people doing necessary and important jobs unable to earn enough money to buy a house in Auckland.

Sorryformybadjokes
Apr 21, 2004

I identify as a simian who pronounces the 'silent' letters in words.
Fallen Rib

Ghostlight posted:

The skill shortage is in experienced air conditioning automotive mechanics, not in air conditioning automotive mechanics.

yes that's why it's called SKILLED not 'fresh out of school'

a minimum of three years’ relevant post–qualification work could include similar mechanical work not expressly related to air conditioning units.

quote:

That's implicitly blaming people for not taking those options.

wow, so entitled.

What do you suggest? a comprehensive 10 year big build of 100,000 state homes and free university for all NZers?

how does that help the mechanic goon with 2 kids and no loving future because he can't get out of the rut he's in?

El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo
I think it might be you who is the entitled one, funnily enough.

Employing economies of scale to build a shitton of affordable housing is going to help a lot more of the most vulnerable people in this society that the alternative of doing gently caress all, you dumb fuckboy.

El Pollo Blanco fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Sep 16, 2016

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Jeff Sichoe posted:

yes that's why it's called SKILLED not 'fresh out of school'
I'm just saying there's a quintessential difference between an immediate skill shortage where someone can train and expect a job and an immediate skill shortage where someone needs to have trained and been in the industry for several years before they can get a job which was not at all reflected in you using it as an example of jobs available for New Zealanders outside of Auckland. In the latter case you overwhelmingly seek to recruit from outside New Zealand because the reason you don't have anybody within New Zealand qualified enough is because there's no shortage of people seeking positions without an experience requirement.

SurreptitiousMuffin
Mar 21, 2010
ENTRY LEVEL POSITION: MINIMUM THREE YEARS' WORK EXPERIENCE REQUIRED

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Jeff Sichoe posted:

wow, so entitled.

What do you suggest? a comprehensive 10 year big build of 100,000 state homes and free university for all NZers?

how does that help the mechanic goon with 2 kids and no loving future because he can't get out of the rut he's in?
I don't think it's entitled in the slightest to point out that you are implicitly blaming people whose circumstances you don't know for not implementing your facile solution of becoming economic refugees within their own country.

State investment in housing construction would be a good thing rather than the current situation where it's selling houses while people live in garages on a waitlist - but I don't think it needs to be more elaborate than simply trying to put the brakes on the current private housing market so as to avoid the inevitable collapse of the market. I don't feel expecting a government to govern is being entitled, because it is an entitlement for which they are elected.

truther
Oct 22, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT THE BEARS
The way I see it, the government isn't even close to meeting their new builds promise, the PM is refusing to take action on something he warned us about ~5 years ago and we are topping the list of the most expensive place to live.

Doesn't matter if it's easy to move elsewhere (for some people) when we have the folks in charge doing jack poo poo to address a very real problem.

e: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11711115

1200 new homes for Auckland's North Shore unveiled in $750m project


Need more, but that's decent I guess? Will suck for people commuting with the new highway charges coming though...

truther fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Sep 16, 2016

Sorryformybadjokes
Apr 21, 2004

I identify as a simian who pronounces the 'silent' letters in words.
Fallen Rib
this is some crazy, self-inflicted, misery fueled echo chamber you fellas have got going on here

El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo
Hey fuckwit, I'm not crying into my hands, none of this affects me personally, I'm allowed to be concerned about the plight of people who are suffering in this country from lack of affordable rents and sub-standard housing. You have zero empathy for anyone, gently caress off.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



El Pollo Blanco posted:

Hey fuckwit, I'm not crying into my hands, none of this affects me personally, I'm allowed to be concerned about the plight of people who are suffering in this country from lack of affordable rents and sub-standard housing. You have zero empathy for anyone, gently caress off.

BuckyDoneGun
Nov 30, 2004
fat drunk

truther posted:

e: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11711115

1200 new homes for Auckland's North Shore unveiled in $750m project


Need more, but that's decent I guess? Will suck for people commuting with the new highway charges coming though...

The middle of that area is roughly 2km from either the Smales Farm or Akoranga Northern Busway stations, or 3km to the landing of the Skypath across the bridge. Would be a prime opportunity for good cycleway connections, some of which are planned already. Also 17 mins direct bus to Queen street on a non-NEX bus.

BuckyDoneGun fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Sep 16, 2016

voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007

El Pollo Blanco posted:

Hey fuckwit, I'm not crying into my hands, none of this affects me personally, I'm allowed to be concerned about the plight of people who are suffering in this country from lack of affordable rents and sub-standard housing. You have zero empathy for anyone, gently caress off.

Minus the fuckwit, this^

I've got mine, I own a house in Wellington that's making good capital gains and reaping all the tax benefits. I'm just not selfish or egocentric enough to think that everyone can do what I did, or even that they should if they can. Property ownership is so advantageous it's almost laughable, it doesn't make you a whiner to point out that. Just sensible. Property speculation/inflated property markets are not productive or useful for the economy, quite the opposite actually, and negative gearing is a regressive tax benefit.

Binkenstein
Jan 18, 2010

truther posted:

The way I see it, the government isn't even close to meeting their new builds promise, the PM is refusing to take action on something he warned us about ~5 years ago and we are topping the list of the most expensive place to live.

Try 2007: https://thestandard.org.nz/keys-powerful-speech-on-the-urgent-housing-crisis/

Currently my rent payments are 42.2% of my post tax income. Meanwhile, local eyesores like these are going up for $589,000, which is well over what I would consider paying for them given the size (the original property was sold for around $800,000 and then divided into 6 of these things).

I'm earning above the average wage, but home ownership at the moment is impossible as I don't have rich parents to help me with it & have actual standards about where I live (ie: not out in the middle of nowhere, actually weathertight, etc)

El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo

Binkenstein posted:

Try 2007: https://thestandard.org.nz/keys-powerful-speech-on-the-urgent-housing-crisis/

Currently my rent payments are 42.2% of my post tax income. Meanwhile, local eyesores like these are going up for $589,000, which is well over what I would consider paying for them given the size (the original property was sold for around $800,000 and then divided into 6 of these things).

I'm earning above the average wage, but home ownership at the moment is impossible as I don't have rich parents to help me with it & have actual standards about where I live (ie: not out in the middle of nowhere, actually weathertight, etc)

Have you considered not being entitled, moving into a one bedroom tin shack with an outhouse in Taihape, and working harder, like our parents did to save for their first home?

swampland
Oct 16, 2007

Dear Mr Cave, if you do not release the bats we will be forced to take legal action

Jeff Sichoe posted:

crazy, self-inflicted, misery fueled echo chamber

It's spelled "New Zealand" you wanker

Sorryformybadjokes
Apr 21, 2004

I identify as a simian who pronounces the 'silent' letters in words.
Fallen Rib

El Pollo Blanco posted:

Have you considered not being entitled, moving into a one bedroom tin shack with an outhouse in Taihape, and working harder, like our parents did to save for their first home?

tears well in my eyes at the effort you are putting into this.

klen dool
May 7, 2007

Okay well me being wrong in some limited situations doesn't change my overall point.

Jeff Sichoe posted:

I guess i'm sorry I raised the super controversial opinion of moving to an area where your potential income more closely aligns with your living costs.

If you are truly in a situation from which you cannot recover, through no fault of your own, and our social services have failed you, then I am sorry. That's not my fault, however.

It may not be directly your fault, but it is your responsibility (along with the rest of society) to do something about it. That is what being part of society is about, and your rhetoric is anti-social. Sure you talk about those who "deserve help", but you go on with a narrow definition of "deserve" with reduces your stance from actually caring, to mere platitudes, a callous way to look good.

Also you mentioned you are in it in wellies - good help me if I ever have to work with you

El Pollo Blanco
Jun 12, 2013

by sebmojo
One sentence shitposts count as effort now?

Binkenstein
Jan 18, 2010

El Pollo Blanco posted:

Have you considered not being entitled, moving into a one bedroom tin shack with an outhouse in Taihape, and working harder, like our parents did to save for their first home?

Adjusting both income & house prices back to 2001 levels, I could have easily afforded a house then. Today, not so much.

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truther
Oct 22, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT THE BEARS

kris_b posted:

The middle of that area is roughly 2km from either the Smales Farm or Akoranga Northern Busway stations, or 3km to the landing of the Skypath across the bridge. Would be a prime opportunity for good cycleway connections, some of which are planned already. Also 17 mins direct bus to Queen street on a non-NEX bus.
Oh cool, that sounds like a pretty good spot for new housing then!

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