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Sickening posted:Emrakul is probably going to poo poo all over standard this next rotation. I'm trying out Abzan Midrange but yeah, you can just get taken out over the top by Emrakul alot of the time.
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Mef989 posted:Despite R&D not wanting to make draw go playable, what are the odds Esper or UW becomes a thing? All the counterspells in standard are pretty bad so I'd say that's really unlikely. IMHO control is going to continue to be wrath into planeswalkers style tap-out.
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Sickening posted:Emrakul is probably going to poo poo all over standard this next rotation. Welcome to the fun world of cost reduction and cast triggers!
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Eimi posted:Basically, EDH can either be fun or the worst experience ever. If you play 'fair' decks and are up against people wanting to infinite combo you're hosed. Or just hope that their combo only partly goes off and you can try and eek out a win in the rubble. I have a janky Jenara deck that's all angels because I love angels, and I find I can't really fight on the same level of most of the individual decks I go against, so playing against people at the FLGS is a massive gamble on whether it will be a fun game or not. EDH is at it's best when it's a beer & magic poker night sort of thing, worst when it's a tournament situation. I played in an EDH tournament for a box of MM1. It was 3 pods of 4, breaking into a finals of 3. All three were prison decks (mine was Daretti MLD) and when we got to the finals, we all just split the box cause none of us wanted to play that game.
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Mef989 posted:Despite R&D not wanting to make draw go playable, what are the odds Esper or UW becomes a thing? when we see the whole set i'll let you know the new modal counterspell actually seems innovative enough that it might see play, and the exile all spells and abilities counter already sees play, so things look ok for some control deck happening, but it won't be draw-go most likely
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I quite like it, gaining a few points of life seems like a very relevant upside for a control deck. I can imagine a Wx tapout control deck wanting this, there are a fair number of Planeswalkers in standard that would work well in that shell. Maybe even RW with Nahiri and new Chandra.
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I want to copy a counterspell with this and then use the copy to counter the original. Don't ask why.
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uninverted posted:All the counterspells in standard are pretty bad so I'd say that's really unlikely. IMHO control is going to continue to be wrath into planeswalkers style tap-out. the one that exiles everything is really good against emrakul decks (and nothing else) so if emmy is the most popular deck it might be good enough! i mean i don't hold out hope, without a sphinx's revelation and elixer of immortality reprint we can never get the best UW control deck ever back...
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Sep 15, 2016 16:23
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C-Euro posted:I want to copy a counterspell with this and then use the copy to counter the original. Don't ask why. Redirecting the counterspell to itself is probably the cooler play.
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Sep 15, 2016 16:23
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Also have an understandably nerfed Arcbound Ravager:
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C-Euro posted:I want to copy a counterspell with this and then use the copy to counter the original. Don't ask why. redirect the counterspell to counter itself
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Sep 15, 2016 16:25
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Also have an understandably nerfed Arcbound Ravager: That's still pretty great, honestly. It's going to be a real pain in limited. Fabricate out a bunch of random 1/1s and just beat down with your increasingly large frequently-indestructible dude.
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Sep 15, 2016 16:27
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Trafficker looks like it'd be good in a control deck that uses artifacts. Do we have any artifacts that settle well into a controlling aspect?
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Sep 15, 2016 16:28
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This + tireless tracker seems pretty beastly in constructed, you can either pay for more cards or for a more aggressive clock
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I could see a tempo/control Spirits deck with Tamiyo or something being decent. Selfless Spirit and Avacyn are quite good against Wraths.
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Sep 15, 2016 16:31
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Cernunnos posted:Redirecting the counterspell to itself is probably the cooler play. Oh poo poo  If you did that on something like Last Word, would Last Word fizzle due to having an illegal target, or could you not even re-direct Last Word to itself in the first place?
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Sep 15, 2016 16:32
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C-Euro posted:Oh poo poo You could re-direct Last Word to itself. It would resolve, attempt to counter itself, and fail because it can't be countered. And that would be the end of it.
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Cernunnos posted:Redirecting the counterspell to itself is probably the cooler play. mandatory lesbian posted:redirect the counterspell to counter itself A spell is never a legal target for itself. People trying to get cute and do this on MTGO are going to get so salty when their spell does nothing because they chose the wrong mode.
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Sep 15, 2016 16:34
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BJPaskoff posted:A spell is never a legal target for itself. People trying to get cute and do this on MTGO are going to get so salty when their spell does nothing because they chose the wrong mode. Aw dammit, you're right. I forgot how the... Refraction Trap? trick actually worked.
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The "right" way to do it is to redirect the spell to target the thing you're using to do the redirection. (It is, after all, still on the stack and hence a legal target until it finishes resolving). Then the counterspell will end up being countered due to having no legal targets. Notably, you can't do this trick with Willbender.
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BJPaskoff posted:A spell is never a legal target for itself. People trying to get cute and do this on MTGO are going to get so salty when their spell does nothing because they chose the wrong mode. aaaaah, that's no fun, i guess copying the counter to counter the counter is the cutest thing we can do...
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Sep 15, 2016 16:38
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Ricochet Trap lets you redirect a counterspell to Ricochet Trap (the counterspell then fizzles since the trap already resolved). I assume Insidious William can do the same.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Also have an understandably nerfed Arcbound Ravager:  4BB Creature - Human Artificer Fabricate 3 (When this creature enters the battlefield, put three +1/+1 counters on it or create three 1/1 colorless Servo artifact creature tokens.) Whenever an artifact you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, target opponent loses life equal to Master of Marionettes power. lovely combo time!
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BJPaskoff posted:A spell is never a legal target for itself. People trying to get cute and do this on MTGO are going to get so salty when their spell does nothing because they chose the wrong mode. You're right. The trick was to redirect the counterspell to the Redirect.  Corner case rules. 
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Tokens!         I love Tokens.
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Sep 15, 2016 17:03
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man can i get full art tokens because those would look awesome sans the border
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Sep 15, 2016 17:14
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So pretty 
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Sep 15, 2016 17:20
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Copter Thopter is hands down the best of the bunch.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Also have an understandably nerfed Arcbound Ravager: Alright, now we're talking! 
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This is the best Servo token.
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I like that spider servo a lot.
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is it just me or is this clashing with all the other tokens art something fierce
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mandatory lesbian posted:
It does. If I had to guess it's something a Tezzeret-related card makes.
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Zoness posted:
Then make some? The Lord of Hats posted:It does. If I had to guess it's something a Tezzeret-related card makes. We already know what card makes these.  Edit: And hey look I think that's actually Tezzeret on the left. Count Bleck fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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     but would definitely use
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Count Bleck posted:We already know what card makes these. The Lord of Hats posted:It does. If I had to guess it's something a Tezzeret-related card makes. haha, called it in one i guess, that's super cool i like that they made the token clearly different like that, so even an idiot like me can see something's up
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Zoness posted:
the servo with a broom is my favorite tho, hes trying so hard to clean
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mandatory lesbian posted:the servo with a broom is my favorite tho, hes trying so hard to clean never mind it came out pretty well:
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The Lord of Hats posted:It does. If I had to guess it's something a Tezzeret-related card makes.  I don't know why not-Rhys the Redeemed makes such mean-looking tokens but oh well
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