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Baculus posted:How many of you fuckers actually pay for your subscriptions in cold hard cash like me, huh? Yo.
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Baculus posted:How many of you fuckers actually pay for your subscriptions in cold hard cash like me, huh? Cash is king!
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i walk to ccp hq every month and pay in icelandic kronor at the front desk
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If all these past several pages have bored you to tears, there is always Groon where you can chill without worrying about who is doing what when or where power is consolidated, because nobody does anything other than lose ships.
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Baculus posted:How many of you fuckers actually pay for your subscriptions in cold hard cash like me, huh? 
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Baculus posted:How many of you fuckers actually pay for your subscriptions in cold hard cash like me, huh? Sup
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Soooo....have you finally played Witcher 3 yet? I have, was impressed by how good it was. it's nice to finally have time to play good games just for fun. Carth Dookie posted:Hi. I'm not sure when you started playing or who you are in game, but I'm guessing that you joined up after Vile Rat was gone. So some more background on this. Vile Rat hired me on in mid-2010 as a junior diplomat, and would later become a mentor and friend. Unlike myself, he had long experience dealing with the meta-game and had seen first hand how BoB's treatment of allies had compromised their strategic position, and then again how the same had happened with the old Northern Coalition. In response, he spun up Corps Diplomatique, an in-game version of the State Department for which he worked in real life. He also laid down a set of iron clad rules for us to follow, and a set of principles to which we were expected to adhere. One of the most notable among those was that we would always treat allies well, and like people. In part because they were people, but also because he knew the ramifications of being a bad friend. This isn't to say that allies were given free reign, and indeed Vile Rat was rightly famous for his ability to "real talk" and in more than one case spun down or ejected alliances from the coalition. The particular challenge of this all was that treating allies well sometimes meant making sacrifices for GSF, which he reasoned were worth the trade off due to the benefits provided by allies. It was all about trade offs, sure we might have lost some ratting space in Branch, but in so doing we'd secured more than allies, we'd secured space friends. Vile Rat was all about empire building and relationship building, so what you likely see as "protecting the Imperium" (then CFC) was in fact a carefully weighed series of trade-offs. Weighing those trade-offs was never easy, and sometimes we collectively got it wrong, but more often than not we got it right, which allowed us to build the strongest, richest, longest lasting coalition the game had ever seen. Internally, I called this the Vile Rat doctrine. CD was his baby, his vision, his creation, and in many ways the virtual manifestation of who he was. This is relevant to my time as head diplomat for a few reasons. Prior to being made head diplomat, I was never anything more than a line diplomat in CD. I'd been promoted to Chief of Staff and then to head of the GIA as well and was tasked with fixing that, though that's another story. I was still a regular diplomat though, and did my space job and enjoyed doing so. Then September 11th, 2012 happened. That day is a bit of a blur for me. I remember Digi hitting up sources, and the eventual confirmation we got. I remember being crushed, and I remembered Vile Rat telling me that he'd taking the posting so that another man with a family didn't have to. I remembered how he was working his way through college so that he could tell his kids that it was worth going, and helping him edit his papers. And the talks about playing with Lego, and so much more. Suddenly, that was all gone. But the space empire wasn't. The directorate as whole was locked into grief mode. Vile Rat had lots of friends, lots of people he'd helped, and he had a real talent for both seeing and bringing out the best in people. I learned an incredible amount from him, and it was unthinkable that he'd be gone. But the world spun on, and eventually we realized that someone had to fill his space position. Endie was first offered the spot, and declined. After some debate, the then current diplomatic directors, Courthouse and Tector, were passed over and it was handed to me despite my objections. I wasn't prepared to be given the space position of my mentor and friend. I had no desire to run CD or to be Chief Diplomat. CD was his, and we all knew it. My first act was to retire his number as it were, I was never Chief Diplomat, and that title will never again be seen in GSF since it belonged to one man only. And then I set about trying to carry through with his vision and his legacy. Part of that legacy was how allies were to be treated, and that's something you see to this day in CD, now under Mirana, formerly under myself, and also under Tector. That's not something any one of us created, it's something that dates back to the dude who founded CD, Vile Rat. So anyway, that's the legacy you see in that, not mine, and not Mirana's. He was a truly great man, and I freely admit that I was never his equal.
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One of the points of contention with how allies were treated vs gsf members I saw was a gsf member scamming a super that was being sold to outsiders by a co2 member (he was using a non gsf alt to do the scam) and being told to get hosed and give it back. So sure treat allies like people but don't give more leeway than a gsf member would get
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Zodium posted:it won't let me in the channel now when is your reddit AMA
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facultas posted:I remembered Vile Rat telling me that he'd taken the posting so that another man with a family didn't have to. I remembered how he was working his way through college so that he could tell his kids that it was worth going 
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I wouldnt really call this a slapfight btw, these little ex-direkkktorate exchanges are fascinating for plebs like me Do continue
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Orange Red Bull posted:when is your reddit AMA me and the people I like did everything while the people I don't like didn't do anything and also had very rude manners Vile Rat posted:Africa would have been subjected to a bloodbath of proportions unseen in history if the white man hadn't destroyed their culture first. vile rat was my very good space friend and a really cool dude most of the time, but like all my other friends and every person i've ever met, he was also a real shithead at other times. often both at the same time (e.g., he was understandably disposed to being a shithead when he was getting or had just gotten mortared irl). it's good to keep that in mind before we start putting people on pedestals just because they're dead and unable to dispute their reduction to narrative devices in the great slapgame of political hasbeens in this dead gay spaceship game.
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Hi I've been gone a few days so I'm playing catch up. Goon meets are cool, I've wanted to go to one. I wanted to go to Eve Vegas, but I don't think that's in the cards thus year. Squads and SIGs are cool. If the leadership aren't complete self serving douches, the risk of schism is small, they provide varied content and tactics and they're a cool micro-community in the alliance. Waffe is kind of dead/lacking culture. Miniluv dudes talk about corp-this and corp-that. All I know is someone with a Waffe tag is probably not out to gently caress me (yet) and probably falls into one of three goon personalities (cool dude, 2k11 era sjw, someone that thinks niggerjokes are still funny). A little more Corp focus could be nice but at this point it may be lost cause dot com because of dead recruitment. A lot of cool people left when BOS got kicked. Even more quit. Hard decisions are hard. Endie / Sion slapfight-expose is cool and good and an glad it wasn't too petty. See how great this thread can be when dunfunny poster uba stij isn't around to poo poo all over it? E: There's a fourth personality for goons which is "ugh, absolutely the worst"
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DisgracelandUSA posted:E: There's a fourth personality for goons which is "ugh, absolutely the worst" The Ordo Garr Equation. EDIT: I'm actually glad my rant helped kicked this thing off. While I realize that the directorate can't be 100% transparent, I've found firesides and elysium to largely have been "More of the same meaningless hurf blurf in smaller doses" which I guess is great for some mindless pubbie that shovels everything up that you hand them with a big spoon while saying "Please hand me more pointless platitudes sir I just can't get enough." Getting honest to goodness real talk in the midst of legitimate grievance airings and people freely admitting that maybe they didn't do the best job at THING honestly tickles me pink. We literally survived a coalition ending event, everything should be under the microscope. Basically what I'm saying is this is all very good, and has resulted in good posts. If it results in some changes that will be even better. Double Edit: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I really don't like the fireside/elysium model. It's mega transient and discussions like the one we've had over the last day and a half would have been drowned out by boat crowing about archage and stunt talking about lolis. As a method for instant gratification it's ok I guess, but for real discussions it's kind of a giant turd. Rhymenoserous fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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Rhymenoserous posted:The Ordo Garr Equation. There's a desire among a demographic in every organization to be told the 'real truth' who are always disappointed with, as you call it, 'meaningless hurf blurf'. This is probably because of a conspiratorial frame being more satisfying than the horrifying reality of 'poo poo happens and sometimes things go wrong for no good reason', it's more comforting to imagine that there's a byzantine plot behind actions X, Y or Z. We don't bother trying to appease this demographic as it is impossible; they do not /want/ to accept the truth as it is, as that truth is unsatisfying and the more you attempt to convince them of the truth, the more they will reinforce the belief in a conspiracy. Backfire effect c&p goes here. Suas left an idiot who sold us out in charge of his corp so it got kicked, in addition to their pap stats legit blowing, then Suas tried to kill us. I suppose that counts as a byzantine plot because it has more than two steps. This is something that has been discussed at length over the last year and was only a secret for the first three months post-purge. Endie didn't do work but was great at acting in front of everyone and posting that he did, like an endless validation-seeking posting sponge. He wanted power without responsibility so gunned for Sion in hopes that I'd boot Sion and promote Endie; when that didn't happen he tried to destroy everything + schism, but that failed as his tradecraft is 3rd grade level. He's great at sowing division though, PL's a great spot for him. Somehow GSF has survived and grown stronger without him, Kismeteer, DJ, or Angelique: there seems to be an inverse relationship between an individual's actual utility to the organization and a need to post reddit AMAs. Sion and Mirana are not actually in charge of the alliance or coalition policy; I am. Endie went after them merely because he couldn't easily go after me, until he realized he truly wasn't going to be The Guy and tantrumed as above. This managed to convince the conspiracy demo that I'm not really in charge, which is peachy as it helps expose the problem children for me to dispose of. Edit: This is something Sion refers to as my "Tee hee, flounce flounce" mode. If TSC ever leaked all it will expose is my sex life, which doesn't matter now because I got a divorce: again a boring explanation for my being quiet the past couple of months. Numismancer fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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Excellent characterisation and a riveting, if far-fetched, plot, would read again if only for the baffling plot-twists.
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Emmanuel Goldstein signing off, here.
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If you made a list of great men and women who had no flaws, you'd have a reasonably empty list. And for those enjoying the "slap fight" I'll get around to responding to Endie's post later tonight probably. I'm not involved in EVE and won't be coming back, so now that I'm just a guy I can be a lot more open with events and how I saw them.
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Numismancer posted:If TSC ever leaked all it will expose is my sex life, which doesn't matter now because I got a divorce: again a boring explanation for my being quiet the past couple of months. Ick, sorry to hear it 
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facultas posted:I'm not involved in EVE and won't be coming back, so now that I'm just a guy I can be a lot more open with events and how I saw them. I wonder how Querns will feel about you talking about Goonswarm now that you're done, Sion. Sorry to see you leave eve completely, I wish my CEO was more understanding about taking refugees. I'm still sad that you never showed up with the alcohol you promised. 
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goninzo posted:I wonder how Querns will feel about you talking about Goonswarm now that you're done, Sion. Sorry to see you leave eve completely, I wish my CEO was more understanding about taking refugees. who are you again
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Orange Red Bull posted:cant you use the !lookup command to view his GIA dossier? that would be mega ultra doxxing goonsir, i'm trying to cut down
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Numismancer posted:There's a desire among a demographic in every organization to be told the 'real truth' who are always disappointed with, as you call it, 'meaningless hurf blurf'. This is probably because of a conspiratorial frame being more satisfying than the horrifying reality of 'poo poo happens and sometimes things go wrong for no good reason', it's more comforting to imagine that there's a byzantine plot behind actions X, Y or Z. We don't bother trying to appease this demographic as it is impossible; they do not /want/ to accept the truth as it is, as that truth is unsatisfying and the more you attempt to convince them of the truth, the more they will reinforce the belief in a conspiracy. Backfire effect c&p goes here. This would be a great answer if there was anything like that in the discussion prior. I don't really buy into the whole "Everything is a conspiracy" because by and large I've found people are more than capable of loving up without nefarious agendas being involved, and I'm a firm believer in the law of unintended consequences. I don't like things watered down and obfuscated because I'm a fairly plain speaking individual. If you had bothered reading any of the posts I've made in response to some of the directors you can see that I appreciate an honest answer of "Well poo poo went wrong, we hosed up." I love answers like that. They are good, believable, honest and well meaning answers, and I generally accept them at face value and appreciate them for what they are. My problem is getting to a plain "Whoops unintended consequence, we probably should have thought about that better" is like pulling teeth because of what I'm going to start calling "The infallible leadership myth" quote:Suas left an idiot who sold us out in charge of his corp so it got kicked, in addition to their pap stats legit blowing, then Suas tried to kill us. I suppose that counts as a byzantine plot because it has more than two steps. This is something that has been discussed at length over the last year and was only a secret for the first three months post-purge. If what you are getting out of the discussion at hand is that we believe you guys at the top are part of some byzantine plan to disenfranchise goons because of ~reasons~ then you probably need to stop reading the eve subreddit because it's basically brain poison. Or start reading what is actually being written. Pick one. I don't even like Suas, I've been in so many petty slap fights with him it's not funny, I generally find him to be a self serving shitbag who sings really good and that's about it. On the other hand we have people who are really good at talking to people. I think a better solution could have been come up with. Hell just openly saying "We caught this guy leaking, here's enough of the evidence to drat him" would have been great. It worked well for Dokdo. quote:Endie didn't do work but was great at acting in front of everyone and posting that he did, like an endless validation-seeking posting sponge. He wanted power without responsibility so gunned for Sion in hopes that I'd boot Sion and promote Endie; when that didn't happen he tried to destroy everything + schism, but that failed as his tradecraft is 3rd grade level. He's great at sowing division though, PL's a great spot for him. Somehow GSF has survived and grown stronger without him, Kismeteer, DJ, or Angelique: there seems to be an inverse relationship between an individual's actual utility to the organization and a need to post reddit AMAs. Like it or not Endie was a highly engaged mouthpiece for our organization for years, and you functionally haven't replaced him. That buys him a lot of credibility real or imagined. Dismiss him if you must because of the whole spurned lover thing, but he absolutely had some valid criticisms that should be looked into. quote:Sion and Mirana are not actually in charge of the alliance or coalition policy; I am. Endie went after them merely because he couldn't easily go after me, until he realized he truly wasn't going to be The Guy and tantrumed as above. This managed to convince the conspiracy demo that I'm not really in charge, which is peachy as it helps expose the problem children for me to dispose of. I don't think this demographic actually exists at, and nothing posted in the thread up till now even suggests it does outside of people who are already gone (Kismeteer). People aren't problem children for questioning the directorate however. Asking questions is never a threat unless you let it be. Most of the people still in alliance posting about their disappointments are giving you our views, and our feedback on what we think could be better. We're telling you the reasons we don't log in except for wars. This isn't a threat to the alliance, this is people who have a vested interest in things being awesome who are still standing next to you despite grievances, because even a hosed up goonswarm is better than being in TEST. quote:If TSC ever leaked all it will expose is my sex life, which doesn't matter now because I got a divorce: again a boring explanation for my being quiet the past couple of months. And I'm sorry to hear that, I had assumed it was poorly attributed rumor till you posted this, and the fact that some idiots on reddit were making light of it just made me assume it was wrong even more. EDIT: Also thank you for taking the time to respond. Rhymenoserous fucked around with this message at 17:56 on Sep 15, 2016 |
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Glory of Arioch posted:who are you again unfamiliar_pl_poster_412
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Glory of Arioch posted:that would be mega ultra doxxing goonsir, i'm trying to cut down i jest, once upon a time there was a kugu thread, one of the rare good ones where people posted what must be in their GIA dossier if such a thing existed
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Numismancer posted:If TSC ever leaked all it will expose is my sex life, which doesn't matter now because I got a divorce: again a boring explanation for my being quiet the past couple of months. The sex chamber imo
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Glory of Arioch posted:who are you again Kismeteer. Good with newbies. Owns home defense Katana, had a really embarrassing meltdown.
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Xolve posted:unfamiliar_pl_poster_412 Hi 'zolve'
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avatarinwin posted:Hi 'zolve' Hi Globs, how's tricks?
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Rhymenoserous posted:highly engaged mouthpiece for our organization is this a "mouthpiece" or "a person in the directorate that I liked" legit question, no snark intended; i'm trying to figure out what a "mouthpiece" does and i'm not coming up with anything
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Orange Red Bull posted:cant you use the !lookup command to view his GIA dossier? Give him a break, he's new to Illum. What, March of this year?
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Glory of Arioch posted:i'm trying to figure out what a "mouthpiece" does post good, which is probably why they seem foreign to you
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SperginMcBadposter posted:post good, which is probably why they seem foreign to you i've got some bad news about the alliance then if this is what we need
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Orange Red Bull posted:cant you use the !lookup command to view his GIA dossier? BTW, It was traditionally 'forumdata' for SA accounts.
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goninzo posted:BTW, It was traditionally 'forumdata' for SA accounts. kcolor used to rat in the same system as me and he used that to peep me out once late at night trying to decide if it was safe to bring out his ratting super i said: lol dude nobody cares about your ratting super you could've just asked how long i've been in alliance
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goninzo posted:Give him a break, he's new to Illum. What, March of this year? hey man endie was in illum for like half a decade and still didn't know what that command did or how it worked
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Numismancer posted:Endie didn't do work but was great at acting in front of everyone and posting that he did, like an endless validation-seeking posting sponge. He wanted power without responsibility so gunned for Sion in hopes that I'd boot Sion and promote Endie; when that didn't happen he tried to destroy everything + schism, but that failed as his tradecraft is 3rd grade level. He's great at sowing division though, PL's a great spot for him. Somehow GSF has survived and grown stronger without him, Kismeteer, DJ, or Angelique: there seems to be an inverse relationship between an individual's actual utility to the organization and a need to post reddit AMAs. I'm not sure anyone was insinuating that you weren't in charge of alliance and coalition policy (but I'm honestly reading like 80% of most wall of text posts). Endie said that Sion was consolidating power within CD - so he was indelicate and framing poo poo in a way that suited his purposes. But ultimately his point does distill down to a rational, factual observation - the purview of CD is such that they have been delegated considerable responsibilities (important space jobs). With that they are also afforded authority - if it's only a token authority, or is subject to your whim, this is still true. That's just a fundamental part of the organization performing its function and serving GSF. I'm not sure what his overall objection to this is, but one day he might explain it. Anyway, as it is now his posting is only as divisive as we let it be, and I'm pretty sure we're invested in the Querns/Endie slapfight, not their narratives. Glad it got you posting though. Numismancer posted:If TSC ever leaked all it will expose is my sex life, which doesn't matter now because I got a divorce: again a boring explanation for my being quiet the past couple of months. This sucks and I hope you got to keep the puppy. I know in acrimonious divorces without children, pets wind up becoming hurf blurf points because they're possessions.
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Baculus posted:This sucks and I hope you got to keep the puppy. I know in acrimonious divorces without children, pets wind up becoming hurf blurf points because they're possessions. Funny you say that...
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