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Accretionist posted:Literally all the polling I've seen shows, with millenials, Clinton leading Trump with a little run-off for Johnson. Have I missed a major poll or something? Oh, dang: quote:New polls released this week suggests Hillary Clinton has a growing problem with millennial voters and that's a major concern for the Democratic presidential nominee.
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twodot posted:If you're concerned about the global poor, taking a hard stance on bombing people doesn't seem unreasonable to me. I wouldn't expect great things out of Johnson for the global poor beyond "I won't actively bomb you", so maybe the scales still don't balance, but I don't see it being fundamentally broken. Then vote for Jill Stein if you're a socialist and helping the domestic poor is important to you at all. (Don't actually vote for Stein. Or Johnson.)
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twodot posted:If you're concerned about the global poor, taking a hard stance on bombing people doesn't seem unreasonable to me. I wouldn't expect great things out of Johnson for the global poor beyond "I won't actively bomb you", so maybe the scales still don't balance, but I don't see it being fundamentally broken. of course you don't
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I wanna know why she's killing herself talking to 350 students at a time when Trump can sit on his shiny gold toilet tweeting and get more engagement with voters. The old "shoe leather politics" is clearly not cutting it anymore. It might feel more "real" to talk in person to real people, and no doubt those 350 students will all vote Democrat for life, but engaging via technology and the media is where the mass votes are at these days. Obama was much better at that.
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This election makes me wonder if all those entitled millennial hitpieces that newspapers crank out every week actually have a point after all.
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"I may be supporting the guy who thinks government support is the enemy and states should have the freedom to decide they want to grind the poor into a thick paste to fuel the dancing horses of the rich, but...DRONES?????"
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Sep 19, 2016 18:12
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BarbarianElephant posted:I wanna know why she's killing herself talking to 350 students at a time when Trump can sit on his shiny gold toilet tweeting and get more engagement with voters. The old "shoe leather politics" is clearly not cutting it anymore. It might feel more "real" to talk in person to real people, and no doubt those 350 students will all vote Democrat for life, but engaging via technology and the media is where the mass votes are at these days. Obama was much better at that. she's winning, idiot
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Sep 19, 2016 18:13
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BarbarianElephant posted:I wanna know why she's killing herself talking to 350 students at a time when Trump can sit on his shiny gold toilet tweeting and get more engagement with voters. The old "shoe leather politics" is clearly not cutting it anymore. It might feel more "real" to talk in person to real people, and no doubt those 350 students will all vote Democrat for life, but engaging via technology and the media is where the mass votes are at these days. Obama was much better at that. There were cameras there, you know. I doubt more Millennials are going to vote for Hillary if she tweets more often than Trump.
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Sep 19, 2016 18:14
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lozzle posted:Then vote for Jill Stein if you're a socialist and helping the domestic poor is important to you at all. (Don't actually vote for Stein. Or Johnson.)
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BarbarianElephant posted:I wanna know why she's killing herself talking to 350 students at a time when Trump can sit on his shiny gold toilet tweeting and get more engagement with voters. The old "shoe leather politics" is clearly not cutting it anymore. It might feel more "real" to talk in person to real people, and no doubt those 350 students will all vote Democrat for life, but engaging via technology and the media is where the mass votes are at these days. Obama was much better at that. I'm sure it was televised (although not sure if the channels actually aired all of it) and it was streaming live on multiple sites. Also her twitter team tweets along with her speeches and announced the speech with a link to the live stream Lots of stuff to criticize Clinton on, but her technology/social media outreach is genuinely good
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Sep 19, 2016 18:14
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News media is dead set on making this race as close as possible. All mainstream media sites are knowingly promoting right wing extremism and political South Park douche/turd myopia solely for profit.
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Sep 19, 2016 18:15
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twodot posted:The analysis I was addressing was "When could it make sense to switch from Sanders to Johnson?" If the question is "Who should vote for Jill Stein?" The answer is "No one, she has literally no relevant qualifications and is pandering to crazy people, if not a crazy person herself." the same is true of Johnson
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I think there's a lot to the fact that for someone 18-34, they've spent their entire adult life seeing Hillary slandered.
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Sep 19, 2016 18:17
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Night10194 posted:I think there's a lot to the fact that for someone 18-34, they've spent their entire adult life seeing Hillary slandered. You mean life in general. Like at your most charitable (i.e., a 34 year old who never heard about the Clintons before 1992) they would only be like 10 years old when the hate machine started up.
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twodot posted:If you're concerned about the global poor, taking a hard stance on bombing people doesn't seem unreasonable to me. I wouldn't expect great things out of Johnson for the global poor beyond "I won't actively bomb you", so maybe the scales still don't balance, but I don't see it being fundamentally broken. Johnson said he would continue the drone program. If you're a Bernie voter voting for Johnson you are a complete idiot and should lose the right to vote and reproduce.
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I highly doubt Johnson gets even half the support when actual votes are cast. I really don't buy into the idea that voters 18-34 are strongly going to move towards a libertarian.
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BarbarianElephant posted:I wanna know why she's killing herself talking to 350 students at a time when Trump can sit on his shiny gold toilet tweeting and get more engagement with voters. The old "shoe leather politics" is clearly not cutting it anymore. It might feel more "real" to talk in person to real people, and no doubt those 350 students will all vote Democrat for life, but engaging via technology and the media is where the mass votes are at these days. Obama was much better at that. Hillary's local-level shoe leather politics while Trump self-immolates on national platforms has her ahead in the polls though? The only time she dipped behind was when she had to stop doing her quiet engagement with voters for the better part of a week. Hillary's entire appeal in this election is that she's passionate about policy and about engaging with voters on the issues they care about, and holding smaller, more intimate events that also happen to be broadcast and streamed for everyone to see is an excellent way of demonstrating that and highlighting the contrast between her workmanlike, wonkish style and Trump's insane bombast. And besides that, she also has more charismatic surrogates like the Obamas out giving passionate speeches to large audiences, which is something Trump certainly doesn't have.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:the same is true of Johnson I could totally see why Republicans would want to vote for Johnson, though.
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emdash posted:I'm sure it was televised (although not sure if the channels actually aired all of it) and it was streaming live on multiple sites. Also her twitter team tweets along with her speeches and announced the speech with a link to the live stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbYlbLSI_5I
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Sep 19, 2016 18:20
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And Obama has just started to hit the trail in earnest, with soaring approval ratings. He can put the passion in the campaign very well, I think. This was Gore's mistake and it won't be hers.
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Sep 19, 2016 18:20
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"Millenials not happy with system that doomed them to economic despair and want change." is a bridge too far for the 30+ year old tech workers itt, apparently Clinton is the epitome of an establishment candidate and the status quo. She's even saying she's just going to be an extension of Obama's policies. If you came of age already crushed under debt and with little economic mobility under Obama, I can understand how "4 more years" might not sound too appealing.
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Sep 19, 2016 18:21
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mcmagic posted:Biden, Warren, Brown, Gore, Kerry, Klobachar, Gillibrand... Pretty much any other democratic candidate would've had better personal favorability numbers. There was just no room for anyone to run because virtually the entire party got behind her right away. Jerry Brown? Like the Jerry Brown who is 78 years old?
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Night10194 posted:I think there's a lot to the fact that for someone 18-34, they've spent their entire adult life seeing Hillary slandered. I'd imagine her vote in Iraq and the primaries against Obama and Sanders hurt her the most there. If I were to fault her, I guess it would be in not doing more of this sort of outreach sooner. Maybe during the primary with an "I understand your enthusiasm for Sanders, but I'd still like to make the case for myself" angle.
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vyelkin posted:Hillary's local-level shoe leather politics while Trump self-immolates on national platforms has her ahead in the polls though? The only time she dipped behind was when she had to stop doing her quiet engagement with voters for the better part of a week. also her shoe leather poo poo is literally why she beat Bernie. Remember, a few months ago, we had near the exact same discourse going on of 'Bernie has HUUUUUGE rallies and no one I know is voting for Hillary, lol she had a 'rally' with only a few hundred people???'
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Business Gorillas posted:"Millenials not happy with system that doomed them to economic despair and want change." is a bridge too far for the 30+ year old tech workers itt, apparently So instead "death by nuclear fire," "death by profiteering" or "death by general idiocy but we'll probably have nice forests or some poo poo?"
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Business Gorillas posted:"Millenials not happy with system that doomed them to economic despair and want change." is a bridge too far for the 30+ year old tech workers itt, apparently And if they were old enough to remember the 8 years before Obama (that actually resulted in all that economic pain) then they would realize that this is completely retarded.
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Night10194 posted:I think there's a lot to the fact that for someone 18-34, they've spent their entire adult life seeing Hillary slandered. This is the big thing for me. I'm in that age category and literally can't remember a time in my life when it wasn't just "common knowledge" that Hillary Clinton is a corrupt duplicitous power-hungry woman, the exact image created by the right wing in the 90s and by the news media in every journalist's effort to be the modern Woodward and Bernstein who finally brings down the Clinton dynasty. Everyone my age grew up in that environment, even in Canada, and that level of pervasive image is really hard to shake since it penetrates even non-political circles. I will freely admit that a big part of why I was really pro-Bernie in the primaries was because of this lingering image sticking around in my brain. It was only after Clinton won the primaries and I looked harder at her history and her record (and read a bunch of posts in this thread tbh) that I realized my own mental image of Clinton was inaccurate and in fact was defined by decades of attacks on her rather than by her own record. I fully expect that I'm not alone in this category and that there are tons of millennials out there who have the same mental image of Clinton that I used to have, and I think that's a really big part of what's driving them to awful third parties.
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nutranurse posted:The tagline for portland's oldest vegan strip club is, "We put the meat on the pole, not the plate." This is what I love about Portland. We don't just have a vegan strip club...we have enough of them that one of them is considered the oldest. Accretionist posted:Sanders almost won This is ridiculous. After Super Tuesday there was never a time where Bernie was even close to overtaking Hillary's delegate count.
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Sep 19, 2016 18:23
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woke wedding drone posted:Jerry Brown? Like the Jerry Brown who is 78 years old? Sherrod Brown.
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mcmagic posted:Sherrod Brown. The fact that this was even a question that needed to be asked kind of says it all.
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Business Gorillas posted:"Millenials not happy with system that doomed them to economic despair and want change." is a bridge too far for the 30+ year old tech workers itt, apparently Her biggest campaign plank is student debt reform and debt free college, upending that very system for Christ sake!
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Hey, Prester Jane, I think Trump is about to break loose again: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...in.html?0p19G=c
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Gore floated running in the primary, but some stuff resurfaced about him sexually harassing a masseuse and he vanished. Normally I wouldn't give much credence to that, but whenever he makes noises about running he backs off the second it's raised. So maybe they have it on camera or something.
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emdash posted:Hillary is speaking at Temple now, boosting her college plan and other education related initiatives at the moment. https://www.c-span.org/video/?415478-1/hillary-clinton-delivers-remarks-economic-challenges-facing-millennials&live I wonder if any millennials will actually hear about, or care about these plans? Actually, plans like these are directed at parents more than their children; it's just the nature of the plan, parents care very deeply about the future of their children. She should probably be talking more about legalizing weed and forgiving student debt.
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woke wedding drone posted:Jerry Brown? Like the Jerry Brown who is 78 years old? I think that poster was referring to Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio.
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vyelkin posted:This is the big thing for me. I'm in that age category and literally can't remember a time in my life when it wasn't just "common knowledge" that Hillary Clinton is a corrupt duplicitous power-hungry woman, the exact image created by the right wing in the 90s and by the news media in every journalist's effort to be the modern Woodward and Bernstein who finally brings down the Clinton dynasty. Everyone my age grew up in that environment, even in Canada, and that level of pervasive image is really hard to shake since it penetrates even non-political circles. I will freely admit that a big part of why I was really pro-Bernie in the primaries was because of this lingering image sticking around in my brain. It was only after Clinton won the primaries and I looked harder at her history and her record (and read a bunch of posts in this thread tbh) that I realized my own mental image of Clinton was inaccurate and in fact was defined by decades of attacks on her rather than by her own record. I fully expect that I'm not alone in this category and that there are tons of millennials out there who have the same mental image of Clinton that I used to have, and I think that's a really big part of what's driving them to awful third parties. Would you say it's possible to have a legitimate negative belief about her?
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Guess I was wrong, it didn't take a week for the media to forget about the latest skullfucking they got from Trump, it took less than a weekend. If it's not entirely business as usual once coverage dies down for these attacks I'll be shocked.ComradeCosmobot posted:Upshot/Siena has Florida 41-40 Clinton, mostly due to whites splitting 51-30 Trump. Rubio's going to win reelection and retire from the Senate as son as he's sworn in and everyone (in the media) is going to act so shocked and surprised that he only ran for reelection because the GOP begged him to help them keep the Senate. VitalSigns posted:http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/jill-stein-trump-may-have-memory-problem-228346#ixzz4KiEoqqJi What little remained unbroken in Stein's brain was finished off by Hilary's nomination and title as First (serious) Female Candidate For President because Jill Stein has an ego the size of a planet. That's the biggest crime to Jill Stein is that Clinton took what she "earned" in addition to Stein just being a piece of garbage as a person. WampaLord posted:
She's a member of the Green Party so if it can't be found up her own rear end she doesn't know about it. Jill Stein has always been about Jill Stein and it's always nice to see people who supported her in the past come to the realization of just why parties like the Greens are rightly considered a joke.
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iospace posted:Hey, Prester Jane, I think Trump is about to break loose again: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...in.html?0p19G=c Well, there's our old Primary Trump.
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radical meme posted:I wonder if any millennials will actually hear about, or care about these plans? despite how they talk young voters are an extremely fluid group. Their turnout is low but who they turn out for is often one of the more up for grabs demographics.
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mcmagic posted:Johnson said he would continue the drone program. If you're a Bernie voter voting for Johnson you are a complete idiot and should lose the right to vote and reproduce.
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