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#1 The news about yesterday's events should be hitting international media by about now: Daily Mail: Duterte foe ousted from probe into Philippine killings Reuters: Philippine drug killings probe in limbo after senators drop Duterte critic #2 Senator Cayetano was interviewed last night regarding the motion to oust Senator De Lima from her chairmanship: quote:"I do not have any ambitions in the Senate. I fully support you, with Dick Gordon as our leader. Just talk with each other. As for me, I only have two requests. First, pass all presidential bills that can benefit the country, like the emergency powers for the president." That first sentence is an outright admission that Senator Gordon, the new Justice committee chairman, is just as much an administration ally as Cayetano himself, who recused himself from the chairmanship over concerns about neutrality. That last sentence is an outright admission that the administration bloc's agenda is to award emergency powers to the President. #3 On Sep 15 2016, Time Magazine released an article: Inside Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte’s War On Drugs, written by one Rishi Iyengar. It made the cover of Time's international edition. Apparently, Mr Iyengar wrote about making the cover of Time on his personal Facebook page, and then a local Filipina journalist, a Ms Gretchen Malalad, congratulated him for it. This then lead to the following image by the Crabbler Facebook page, which as I have brought up previously is a complete administration shill: So they doxxed her, heavily implied that she was the source of the information Iyengar was working off of, and "let people decide" whether or not she was deserving of their ire. I bring this up because the The National Union of Journalists of the Philippines (NUJP) released a statement on this turn of events: quote:The National Union of Journalists of the Philippines (NUJP) deplore the recent social media attacks on our colleagues, freelance journalist Gretchen Malalad, and Al Jazeera correspondent Jamela Alindogan-Caudron, which have gone beyond legitimate criticism of their professional output to outright threats on their persons. The linked article has multiple pictures of the kind of invective that's been flung against these women.
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 02:45 |
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This is especially chilling given that the Philippines has one of the most dangerous countries for journalists for quite a while now. It's not uncommon to hear of a journalist gunned down outside their home after criticizing a local politician.
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 03:04 |
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After reading sources in this thread and elsewhere, I figured dictatorship was coming to the Philippines. What I wasn't expecting was a grand total of three months to elapse between Duterte's inauguration and the end of Philippine democracy. If anyone in this thread can leave, find a way to do so. Things won't get better until they get far worse. Also, I kinda wish Mayweather beat the absolute poo poo out of Pacquiao like he did with numerous women, instead of the cowardly style he used in that fight and throughout his career. gradenko_2000 posted:His whole account's a goldmine of poo poo if you want to go looking, but he's got some very confused politics going on
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 06:15 |
So, is Duterte making the shift away from the US because he hates the US, or because they won't agree with his policies so he decided to just angle for a new patron?
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 06:23 |
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Y-Hat posted:After reading sources in this thread and elsewhere, I figured dictatorship was coming to the Philippines. What I wasn't expecting was a grand total of three months to elapse between Duterte's inauguration and the end of Philippine democracy. If anyone in this thread can leave, find a way to do so. Things won't get better until they get far worse. That's ok cause you can relish in Marquez knocking him the gently caress out.
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 06:33 |
Ytlaya posted:Manny Pacquiao, nooo Let's not act like he wasn't an awful person and a total shithead for a long time before this. I was probably the only Filipino rooting against the guy for most of his career because of it.
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 06:56 |
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RandomPauI posted:So, is Duterte making the shift away from the US because he hates the US, or because they won't agree with his policies so he decided to just angle for a new patron? It has to (as in this is just conjecture on my part) come down to a combination of: 1. China has dirt of him/his handlers 2. He/his handlers owe a great deal of debt to China, either in cash or in kind 3. Duterte has strong personal feelings about the US and holds a grudge, and it's leaking into his foreign policy decisions Nothing else makes sense, unless we start delving into "yes, it doesn't make sense, Duterte is nuts". I mean, you do have a point about how Obama/Clinton are probably not going to look kindly upon the Philippines descending into right-wing authoritarianism, but then again Egypt and other parts of the ME are a thing. They'd hold their nose as long they could use us as an ally and a pivot against China, so going full Marcos AND turning away from the US is a great way to get denouncements and sanctions that wouldn't otherwise happen if we'd just play ball with Kerry. So, I don't really know. ihatepants posted:Let's not act like he wasn't an awful person and a total shithead for a long time before this. I was probably the only Filipino rooting against the guy for most of his career because of it. Yeah, let's not forget that this is Manny "gays are worse than animals" Pacquiao here. It's just that as a Congressman, he had an attendance record worse than Marco Rubio (HEYO!) so I thought he was going to mostly be an empty suit, and not "I'll file a bill for the reimplementation of the death penalty and let myself be used as the admin's attack dog"
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blackguy32 posted:That's ok cause you can relish in Marquez knocking him the gently caress out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSn3wWoKz-k&t=1524s (This vid may or may not be available in your country, but let's watch JMM connect on one of the greatest counters I've ever seen, Jinkee flipping the gently caress out as a result, and then multiple replays from every angle of JMM getting revenge for being knocked down three times in Round 1 of their first fight.) e: if that doesn't work for you, here's a video with both the KO and REACTIONS! to the KO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyaODZRIbA Troy Queef fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Sep 20, 2016 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Yeah, let's not forget that this is Manny "gays are worse than animals" Pacquiao here. I'm pretty sure he lobbied hard against the Reproductive Health bill too; I remember a quote about making his wife stop taking birth control pills. Dude is apparently generous to a fault but he's pretty much a worse religious zealot than Ted Cruz.
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 11:12 |
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I saw this in the news this morning and one line stood out to me: http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/19/asia/philippines-uk-baron-moynihan-daughter-killed/index.html CNN posted:The daughter of a runaway British lord has become one of the highest profile victims of the Philippines' war on drugs. I guess I should not find it surprising that someone from that kind of family gets different/better treatment but at the same time, with all the other news coming from there, it feels out of place (to me.)
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 13:09 |
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All right, reset the clock. Duterte turns ire on EU, calls them hypocrites and uses ‘F’ word quote:MANILA — President Duterte let loose a fresh string of tirades against the European Union, on Tuesday, after it called for a halt to extrajudicial killings of drug suspects in the Philippines.
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 13:55 |
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"I will tell them, ‘gently caress you.’" Facebook: "Oh, he's not saying gently caress you, he's only _threatening_ to say gently caress you." "I repeat it, ‘gently caress you,’" Facebook: "Well come on you gotta look at the context here."
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 14:45 |
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Argue posted:"I will tell them, ‘gently caress you.’" "He said "gently caress you", but like, gently, like a lover."
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 14:51 |
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Argue posted:"I will tell them, ‘gently caress you.’" Spoken like a true Dutertinista. But from my standpoint, the guy just seems like a giant petulant baby that is lashing out at everything and everyone who dares criticize him.
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 15:10 |
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blackguy32 posted:Spoken like a true Dutertinista. But from my standpoint, the guy just seems like a giant petulant baby that is lashing out at everything and everyone who dares criticize him. Someone should introduce the President to smartphones and the Twitter app
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 15:12 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Someone should introduce the President to smartphones and the Twitter app Teddy Boy's got that poo poo covered.
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 15:15 |
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Troy Queef posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSn3wWoKz-k&t=1524s Works fine in the States for me.
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EX250 Type R posted:I saw this in the news this morning and one line stood out to me: The facebook post for these news have so many "she didn't deserve to die, but" comments
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I wasn't really able to keep pace with today's proceedings in a way that'd let me do a neat summary, so I'll just try to link relevant news stories: A backgrounder on Herbert Colangco, one of the drug lords that testified to a House committee today on allegations that Senator De Lima used them to funnel drug money into her campaign fund. Despite the fact that this was a House committee hearing, Department of Justice Secretary Vitaliano Aguirre personally got involved in questioning Colangco and the other witnesses. One of the bombshells in today's testimony was that Colangco was able to contact De Lima directly, through her cellphone. In shades of what happened to Senator Lindsay Graham, the witnesses did publicly expose De Lima's cellphone number and home address, which then resulted in the Senator being called “the vilest of names” in thousands of angry messages. De Lima of course denied these allegations, asserting that the testimony must have been falsified, done under duress, or done with a deal, especially since the DOJ, with the approval from the House, granted immunity to these inmates in exchange for their testimony. President Duterte's own response to these allegations of drug lords living it up inside what's supposed to be a maximum security was yet another reference to declaring Martial Law. In the Senate, De Lima did deliver her own privilege speech in response to yesterday's events and the allegations leveled against her, and I will end with an excerpt from the speech: quote:The point is, Senator Cayetano wants to impress upon us the Singapore-like safety of our communities in the middle of all these killings with anecdotes. His proof that we are safe consists of anecdotal taxi driver stories. In the meantime, his President has just declared a State of National Emergency due to the existence of Lawless Violence. For the first time since the eve of the declaration of Martial Law 44 years ago to the day today, the country has not come close to such an admission by the State that it is incapable of enforcing order in society, that the President has to resort to his extraordinary commander-in-chief powers under the Constitution in order to maintain public safety, peace and order. Link to the speech's full text
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 16:48 |
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This really does reek of extreme, bloodthirsty McCarthyism.
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 18:25 |
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Just read through through most of the thread. Holy poo poo Duterte is going full dictator fast a gently caress. poo poo like this scares me that trump if he wins somehow is gonna do the same poo poo.
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 21:55 |
chami posted:How strong is their case against de Lima anyway? Last I heard anything about that, they were trying to play the morality police and slut-shame her for alleged infidelity. I know this is one of those "my uncle works at Nintendo" type stories, but I have heard from others in the know (that also hate Duterte) that De Lima really does have connections to the drug trade and has her right hand man handles pretty much everything with that. She is also very willing to be bribed, even compared to her other peers. She's dirty as gently caress and probably deserves everything that's coming to her.
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 22:24 |
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I'm surprised a politician hasn't said, "Hey for a guy so against drugs you sure sound like you're on them."
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ihatepants posted:I know this is one of those "my uncle works at Nintendo" type stories, but I have heard from others in the know (that also hate Duterte) that De Lima really does have connections to the drug trade and has her right hand man handles pretty much everything with that. She is also very willing to be bribed, even compared to her other peers. She's dirty as gently caress and probably deserves everything that's coming to her. I was talking a bit about the stuff going with a couple of co-workers - none of us is Filipino by the way. One of them was saying something along the lines of the above, like "yeah, it wouldn't be surprising if the people at the top were all big players in the drug trade because that's how it works where I came from. She's probably dirty as hell." He's from Honduras.
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# ? Sep 20, 2016 22:39 |
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Has Duterte turned Davao into the second capital? It seems like all quotes or speeches end with "said today in Davao City." Does he ever go to Manila?
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keevo posted:I'm surprised a politician hasn't said, "Hey for a guy so against drugs you sure sound like you're on them." Everyone would have a chuckle then a few days later whoever said that would turn up dead with a cardboard sign around their neck.
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Schubalts posted:This really does reek of extreme, bloodthirsty McCarthyism. Someday the US will have to get around to exporting the good parts of democracy. I mean, I don't want it to be all about us, but drat. A former occupied territory casually refers to one of our most tragic fuckups. One that happened years after independence (depending on how you measure that kind of thing.) We must have really hosed you over or something. Oh well. At least we aren't backing this dictator. Just handing him an easy rationalization.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 02:34 |
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Wizchine posted:I was talking a bit about the stuff going with a couple of co-workers - none of us is Filipino by the way. One of them was saying something along the lines of the above, like "yeah, it wouldn't be surprising if the people at the top were all big players in the drug trade because that's how it works where I came from. She's probably dirty as hell." He's from Honduras. At first I assumed you meant Duerte was probably dirty until I saw "She" and felt disappointed.
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Xelkelvos posted:At first I assumed you meant Duerte was probably dirty until I saw "She" and felt disappointed. It doesn't matter to me what she is involved in: due process is paramount, and extra-judicial killings are abominations. I like to believe in the rule of law. Is it a luxury? American privilege? It's amazing (and frightening) to me how people are willing to throw away freedom and sign over everything to a dictator once they fee their personal security is at stake.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 03:40 |
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A Filipino friend posted about the EJKs and I responded in kind. Then some other Filipino guy he knows came in with "Oust Duterte! Install Yellow Oligarch and American puppets! " and 20 minutes later "It's obvious that Duterte is behind all the deaths and killings as De Lima said. The Philippines doesn't need a mass murderer. What the Philippines need is a president who is completely loyal to US and oligarchic interests." I made the mistake of arguing that just because Duterte is allowing this poo poo to go down doesn't mean people are calling for an ouster, and you can criticize him without calling for a coup. Now he's asking me why I am against human rights. I can't loving handle these people, how do you respond when someone doesn't have a grasp of logic or rhetoric?
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CronoGamer posted:A Filipino friend posted about the EJKs and I responded in kind. Then some other Filipino guy he knows came in with "Oust Duterte! Install Yellow Oligarch and American puppets! " and 20 minutes later "It's obvious that Duterte is behind all the deaths and killings as De Lima said. The Philippines doesn't need a mass murderer. What the Philippines need is a president who is completely loyal to US and oligarchic interests." You don't. The more i talk with people the more its apparent they really just regurgitate stuff that they like to hear and have absolutely no interest in even thinking about or discussing things honestly or even in the face of evidence. On that note, where i live, that rhetoric of "x country murdered these people 50 years ago, they aren't angels also gently caress off with your human rights bullshit" is used very frequently in any discussion that involves politics. A lot of people just don't realize two wrongs don't make a right. Fizzil fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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CronoGamer posted:I made the mistake of arguing that just because Duterte is allowing this poo poo to go down doesn't mean people are calling for an ouster, and you can criticize him without calling for a coup. Now he's asking me why I am against human rights. I can't loving handle these people, how do you respond when someone doesn't have a grasp of logic or rhetoric? Congratulations on finishing our introductory course on "What Half of a Filipino's Facebook Feed Looks Like" Edit: post it to the crazy emails thread
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Today marks the 44th anniversary of Ferdinand Marcos Sr.'s declaration of Martial Law in the Philippines. You know what you probably shouldn't do today? Float an idea to bring back the police force that Marcos used to enforce it. quote:MAWAB, Compostela Valley – President Duterte is considering the revival of the Philippine Constabulary to help in the fight against terrorism. LOOK BACK: The Philippine Constabulary under Marcos quote:MANILA, Philippines – Days before the Philippines is set to mark the 44th anniversary of the declaration of Martial Law, President Rodrigo Duterte made another callback to history: announcing his plan to revive the Philippine Constabulary (PC). EDIT: And to continue on our delving into the twitter of newly-appointed UN Ambassador Teddy Boy Locsin: ihatepants posted:I know this is one of those "my uncle works at Nintendo" type stories, but I have heard from others in the know (that also hate Duterte) that De Lima really does have connections to the drug trade and has her right hand man handles pretty much everything with that. She is also very willing to be bribed, even compared to her other peers. She's dirty as gently caress and probably deserves everything that's coming to her. Wizchine posted:I was talking a bit about the stuff going with a couple of co-workers - none of us is Filipino by the way. One of them was saying something along the lines of the above, like "yeah, it wouldn't be surprising if the people at the top were all big players in the drug trade because that's how it works where I came from. She's probably dirty as hell." He's from Honduras. And then, your opponent isn't supposed to be clean, because he ran openly declaring that a Presidency under him would be bloody and involve a lot of killings, so when you point out that he's a loving rear end in a top hat, he gets a pass since that was part of the Faustian bargain. Badger of Basra posted:Has Duterte turned Davao into the second capital? It seems like all quotes or speeches end with "said today in Davao City." Does he ever go to Manila? He does still go to Manila, but he does a lot of shuttling back-and-forth between there and Davao. We only just joke that he's made Davao the new capital. A more cynical person might say that the reason he does so many addresses to military formations is that he's currying favor with them for the eventual take-over. You'll notice a lot of the articles I post also open with "to the xth Infantry Division". gradenko_2000 fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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In that same speech in Mawab, Compostela Valley to the 10th Infantry Division, Duterte made another pronouncement:quote:MANILA, Philippines – President Rodrigo Duterte reminded Philippine soldiers that no matter how many criminals they kill in the line of duty, he will pardon them and even give them a promotion. And Rappler has also helpfully documented Duterte's frequent visits to military camps: quote:From July 21 to August 12, or in less than a month, the President has visited no less than 14 military camps across Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 10:48 |
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I just hope he doesn't make his move before early next year, when I'm hoping to leave. What was it like, anyway, back in the Marcos era, for a not-politically-active citizen to make a permanent move to another country?
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 11:08 |
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On the night of the Plaza Miranda bombing, Aug 21, 1972, my father, a medical student and an activist, already decided that he would not go home that night. The declaration of Martial Law would come almost a month later, but he and his friends already figured that something like that was going to happen anyway, and did not wait around for it. He left Manila and stayed with various friends and relatives for weeks until he was sure that the police, who did go my grandparents' house, had stopped looking for him. He only came back to grab his personal effects and say his goodbyes, and then left for the States, where he'd spend the next couple of years studying optometry in DC and Maryland. One of his schoolmates from medical school stayed behind. He would go to the province of Isabela to work at a rural clinic there. Occasionally, they would have patients who were Communist rebel soldiers, but they treated them anyway. Government soldiers eventually got wind of this, and one night my father's friend was murdered in cold blood. The family never found out who was directly responsible. My father, and his fallen schoolmate's younger brother, to this day still share a clinic in Manila together. It's a very small private practice, and never as glamorous nor as well-paying as working in a large hospital, but that's what they chose to do. Every year they still go back out to the province to do a stint serving the rural population. I knew bits and pieces of this for a long time, but my father relayed the whole story to me when we talked on the eve of the elections, May 8, 2016. I'd read the polls, and I knew that Duterte was going to win, and I wanted someone to tell me that I was just being panicky, just being melodramatic, that I was being absurd for worrying as much as I did about the country electing the second-coming of a dictator. He didn't. He told me that it was playing out just like it did so many years ago, when people believed that Martial Law was necessary for the security of the country. It wasn't an instant dip in Marcos's approval ratings, it wasn't perceived as a tipping point in the erosion of civil rights. It was just something that had to happen, and people welcomed it. I asked him, "What do we do now?" "There are no easy answers, son"
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 11:34 |
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That answer is a lot more gripping than I expected. Mind if I share that? With your SA membership cropped out, of course. Edit: actually D&D is publicly viewable and would probably be indexed by Google if someone were to look for it
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 12:08 |
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I'm sorry if that doesn't really answer the answer of how to leave the country in the event of Martial Law (my dad essentially was there on a student visa), but yes, go ahead and share it. I wrote it that way.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 13:33 |
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This is a good thread. I've been following the situation in the Philippines mostly through this thread as these things do not make headlines in local media and I really appreciate the effort put into the posts here. The situation in the Philippines is really dismal and I'm afraid that the bottom hasn't been reached yet. Argue: best of luck in regards to getting out. Question: has the release of the Norwegian from Abu Sayyaf been used for propaganda purposes? I find the situation quite sad, because paying these groups money to release someone basically funds them capturing and killing other people.
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gradenko_2000 posted:A more cynical person might say that the reason he does so many addresses to military formations is that he's currying favor with them for the eventual take-over. You'll notice a lot of the articles I post also open with "to the xth Infantry Division". I don't know how cynical you really have to be to think this. He has also promised to double AFP and PNP salaries, hasn't he? Maybe I'm a pessimist but it seems readily apparent that he at least wants them to be neutral if not strong supporters of his. Ugh Noynoy why couldn't you have dropped that boring tool Mar and supported Grace from the start
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