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namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

OSI bean dip posted:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/poloz-low-interest-rates-1.3770695

Eat poo poo, money savers. Borrow as much as you can, debtors.

LOL

Ok serious mode: You guys know what this means right? If you think boomers retiring in the near future are in deep poo poo, we're all in even deeper poo poo because our incomes are lower and we didn't have the economic growth of the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's to coast off of. Pension funds and personal equities did quite well and if you could afford a house, you did really well, as a boomer.

Poloz is telling us what Larry Summers has been saying for the last 5 years - don't expect to see any real growth for a long time and that means we'll have to keep working a very long time.

UNLESS, y'all just keep borrowing to buy the latest yeezys and a sick Q7. Which, and I'm seriously not joking here, may not be as awful as it sounds because it's likely the government will bail your profligate rear end out. It's a huge risk but if you're a materialistic sack of poo poo making 70k/year, it's a great way to go!

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# ? May 10, 2024 09:39

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Could Brangelina have saved their marriage if they had invested in Vancouver real estate?

# ? Sep 21, 2016 01:27

Ccs: Feb 25, 2011

When they say that low interest rates mean higher prices for stock/bonds, does that mean stocks generate more dividends? Because if that's the case, great. Why would people rely on less than one percent interest rates on money in the bank when they can get 3-4% interest rate returns on an index fund?

But if both are hosed, then that sucks.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 01:38

Rime: Nov 2, 2011; by Games Forum

namaste faggots posted:

LOL

Ok serious mode: You guys know what this means right? If you think boomers retiring in the near future are in deep poo poo, we're all in even deeper poo poo because our incomes are lower and we didn't have the economic growth of the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's to coast off of. Pension funds and personal equities did quite well and if you could afford a house, you did really well, as a boomer.

Poloz is telling us what Larry Summers has been saying for the last 5 years - don't expect to see any real growth for a long time and that means we'll have to keep working a very long time.

UNLESS, y'all just keep borrowing to buy the latest yeezys and a sick Q7. Which, and I'm seriously not joking here, may not be as awful as it sounds because it's likely the government will bail your profligate rear end out. It's a huge risk but if you're a materialistic sack of poo poo making 70k/year, it's a great way to go!

And you all scoffed at my "YOLO: do cool poo poo now instead of slaving away, smoke a shotgun at 70-ish." retirement plan. :smuggo:

Reminder: You are not a boomer, you are hosed, start enjoying the bacchanalia before the good times are gone forever.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 02:03

ocrumsprug: Sep 23, 2010; by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Rime posted:

And you all scoffed at my "YOLO: do cool poo poo now instead of slaving away, smoke a shotgun at 70-ish." retirement plan.

Reminder: You are not a boomer, you are hosed, start enjoying the bacchanalia before the good times are gone forever.

I was telling my spouse about our mugging people retirement plan. She did not approve, but eventually the hunger will get her on board.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 02:10

peter banana: Sep 2, 2008; Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

I was just thinking the other day how much start up capital I would need to set up a front for one of those "Galt's Gulch in Real Life!" scam where you get a bunch of ~~dumb~~ sovereign citizen types to believe they're buying farmland in Bolivia or something and then book it with the money.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 02:17

leftist heap: Feb 28, 2013; Fun Shoe

namaste faggots posted:

LOL

Ok serious mode: You guys know what this means right? If you think boomers retiring in the near future are in deep poo poo, we're all in even deeper poo poo because our incomes are lower and we didn't have the economic growth of the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's to coast off of. Pension funds and personal equities did quite well and if you could afford a house, you did really well, as a boomer.

Poloz is telling us what Larry Summers has been saying for the last 5 years - don't expect to see any real growth for a long time and that means we'll have to keep working a very long time.

UNLESS, y'all just keep borrowing to buy the latest yeezys and a sick Q7. Which, and I'm seriously not joking here, may not be as awful as it sounds because it's likely the government will bail your profligate rear end out. It's a huge risk but if you're a materialistic sack of poo poo making 70k/year, it's a great way to go!

But at least inflation is low and stable right?

# ? Sep 21, 2016 02:24

peter banana: Sep 2, 2008; Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

namaste faggots posted:

LOL

Ok serious mode: You guys know what this means right? If you think boomers retiring in the near future are in deep poo poo, we're all in even deeper poo poo because our incomes are lower and we didn't have the economic growth of the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's to coast off of. Pension funds and personal equities did quite well and if you could afford a house, you did really well, as a boomer.

Poloz is telling us what Larry Summers has been saying for the last 5 years - don't expect to see any real growth for a long time and that means we'll have to keep working a very long time.

But this should have been evident already. Grow with what? Hootsuite? loving FreshBooks? We've never had to be a nation of innovators because all we had was resources. Those are all consolidated or not profitable enough to extract without drowning a couple towns in crude and we've never had a backup plan or next phase.

Goddamn, imagine what this country would be like if even one competent person had ever held elected office or business leadership here.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 02:40

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peter banana posted:

But this should have been evident already. Grow with what? Hootsuite? loving FreshBooks? We've never had to be a nation of innovators because all we had was resources. Those are all consolidated or not profitable enough to extract without drowning a couple towns in crude and we've never had a backup plan or next phase.

Goddamn, imagine what this country would be like if even one competent person had ever held elected office or business leadership here.

René Lévesque :colbert:

He masterminded the creation of Hydro-Quebec.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 02:42

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peter banana posted:

Goddamn, imagine what this country would be like if even one competent person had ever held elected office or business leadership here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Beck

# ? Sep 21, 2016 02:45

Myriarch: May 14, 2013

Ccs posted:

When they say that low interest rates mean higher prices for stock/bonds, does that mean stocks generate more dividends? Because if that's the case, great. Why would people rely on less than one percent interest rates on money in the bank when they can get 3-4% interest rate returns on an index fund?

But if both are hosed, then that sucks.

They're hosed. Lower dividends and higher price are synonymous, to the point that bond prices are usually given as percent yield (higher = cheaper) rather than dollar price. That's one reason European governments have been going crazy with bonds, they have to pay very little interest to investors.

Likewise price to earnings for stocks have been ahistorically high recently, and dividends are theoretically supposed to come from earnings. Do note though that some companies have realized they can take advantage of low interests rates by borrowing cheap money to pay dividends above their usual earnings.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 02:48

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

I knew that the thought of saving for retirement in the modern era was complete bullshit.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 02:53

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Rime posted:

And you all scoffed at my "YOLO: do cool poo poo now instead of slaving away, smoke a shotgun at 70-ish." retirement plan.

Reminder: You are not a boomer, you are hosed, start enjoying the bacchanalia before the good times are gone forever.

You're assuming that you're going to be able to live until 70 without being in poverty or what

Your post is stupid as gently caress sorry

# ? Sep 21, 2016 03:07

Tighclops: Jan 23, 2008; Unable to deal with it; Grimey Drawer

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# ? Sep 21, 2016 03:14

Shifty Pony: Dec 28, 2004; Up ta somethin'

namaste faggots posted:

Unironically agree. Have you seen what kind of loving fuckwits work in the canadian foreign service and csis?

So we have a blind squirrel finding a nut situation here except the nut is "not letting your country be the escape plan for the distilled graft of a country of 1.3B"?

# ? Sep 21, 2016 03:17

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

I didn't think I'd have to tell you this but have some self respect and stop acting like bad decisions that lead to poverty aren't your own. You can do better yet you won't because it gives you some cheguevara Zapatista bullshit mystique

# ? Sep 21, 2016 03:18

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/china-security-adviser-economic-fugitive-1.3771481

quote:

Trudeau's security adviser approved the removal of China's 'economic fugitives'
'Canada does not want to be seen as a safe haven for fugitives,' says Daniel Jean

The top-level Trudeau adviser overseeing a possible extradition treaty with China told the previous government that China's so-called "economic fugitives" don't belong on Canadian soil, The Canadian Press has learned.

Then-deputy minister Daniel Jean offered that advice in a 2015 briefing note to the former Conservative government prior to his appointment in May as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's national security adviser.

"Canada does not want to be seen as a safe haven for fugitives and it is in Canada's interest to have such persons removed," said the note, obtained by The Canadian Press under the Access to Information Act.

In his new role with the Liberal government, Jean was in Beijing last week for the start of a new "high level dialogue" between Canada and China on national security and the rule of law � talks that include breaking ground on an extradition treaty.

Word of those talks sparked opposition charges Tuesday that the Liberals were abandoning their human rights principles. Two major human rights organizations, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, questioned Canada's pursuit of an extradition deal, saying it doesn't square with China's rights record, including its widespread use of the death penalty.

The controversy comes ahead of Wednesday's arrival in Ottawa of Chinese Premier Li Keqiang for talks with Trudeau aimed at deepening economic co-operation, following Trudeau's first to China three weeks ago.

China has mounted a vigorous international campaign to hunt down alleged economic criminals on foreign soil it says have absconded with millions of dollars of assets. Human rights advocates say the campaign is a smokescreen for China's real intent: to track down and silence political dissidents who have fled abroad.

Hunting economic fugitives

In the briefing note, Jean further describes Canada's response to China's 2014 campaign, dubbed "Operation Fox Hunt," an outgrowth of President Xi Jinping's anti-corruption campaign in which he "vowed to swat down both 'tigers' and 'flies,' regardless of their level, in efforts to clean up the Communist Party in China."

The targets were "corrupt public officials and private citizens alleged to have committed economic crimes such as financial fraud against persons, businesses and banks." The Chinese government estimated in 2014 that 208 people had fled with an estimated $1.93 million.

"Over 70 police teams were sent overseas to hunt down these economic fugitives, resulting in the capture of individuals spread out over 69 countries and regions." The heavily censored memo doesn't say if any are from Canada.

Beijing circulated a notice to the Chinese diaspora abroad "encouraging fugitives to surrender" in return for lighter sentences, Jean writes.

"In the notice, family members and friends of overseas fugitives were advised to encourage their loved ones to surrender."

Human rights concerns persist

Trudeau, who was in New York for a speech at the UN General Assembly, indicated Tuesday that Canada would not be compromising its own values for the sake of diplomatic expediency.

"Extradition is certainly one of the things the Chinese have indicated they wanted to talk about. But as everyone knows, Canada has very high standards in terms of extradition treaties, in accordance with our values," he told a news conference.

"But we're happy to have a high-level security dialogue that will allow Canadian and Chinese officials to talk about a broad range of issues."

Even if China wants to bring back legitimate economic criminals, there are widespread human rights concerns about the Chinese legal system, said Amnesty International secretary general Alex Neve.

"It's impossible to imagine how you would have an extradition treaty that would line up with Canada's obligations to not send people to face the death penalty," Neve said in an interview.

"It's very clear that China regularly seeks the return to China of individuals who are wanted for political reasons or religious reasons."

Sophie Richardson, China director for Human Rights Watch, said it is "peculiar" for Canada and to be pursing an extradition treaty with China, because it is one of three countries � including the United States and Australia � that have rebuffed Beijing's requests in the past.

"I think China's particular interest in pushing this with Canada at the moment is to then be able to say to the U.S. and Australia, 'They did it, why won't you?"'

With or without a treaty, "the standard rules of the road are that you cannot forcibly return anyone to a country where they face a well-founded fear of persecution, or ill-treatment," she added.

During question period Tuesday, Interim Conservative leader Rona Ambrose told the House of Commons "that our openness to China should be about encouraging them to adopt our values for human rights, as opposed to us giving into theirs."

Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan said Canada will address China's use of the death penalty during future negotiations.

"With this dialogue, we will be able to push human rights," he replied. "And when it comes to agreements like this, we will be pushing the issue of the death penalty because human rights is an integral part of our government's mandate."

you know, i'm willing to give china a pass on human rights as long as they take back their money and their loving fuerdai shitheads

# ? Sep 21, 2016 06:08

Ceciltron: Jan 11, 2007; Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!; Pillbug

namaste faggots posted:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/china-security-adviser-economic-fugitive-1.3771481

you know, i'm willing to give china a pass on human rights as long as they take back their money and their loving fuerdai shitheads

They can keep the fuerdai. We'll keep the money as a finder's fee.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 06:23

tagesschau: Sep 1, 2006; Guten Abend, meine Damen und Herren.

OSI bean dip posted:

http://vancouversun.com/business/real-estate/class-action-lawsuit-filed-against-b-c-government-over-foreign-home-buyers-tax

Yep from China.

quote:
Brasil said that under NAFTA Article 1139, ownership of real estate or other property is an investment that is protected by the NAFTA.

http://www.sice.oas.org/trade/nafta/chap-112.asp

quote:
investment means:

[...]

(g) real estate or other property, tangible or intangible, acquired in the expectation or used for the purpose of economic benefit or other business purposes; and

Hmm, that sounds like Brasil is attesting in court filings that this is an investment and not a principal residence, so all capital gains are 100% subject to Canadian income tax, as those of anyone joining in the suit would be.

I'm sure the Canada Revenue Agency would be glad to know this. :smug:

# ? Sep 21, 2016 12:26

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

EvilJoven posted:

Any chance that the top levels of the PRC start forcing this money to come back home, even if it means liquidating for pennies on the dollar, by literally threatening the lives of these people and their families?

I'm sure it's extremely low, like 'maybe in a bad movie with a retarded plot' low but it'd still be loving incredible to see.

I should be a loving fortune teller.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 13:37

peter banana: Sep 2, 2008; Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

You have to be pretty far down the rabbit hole of privilege to believe that when you buy property in a foreign country, that country's real estate, and taxes don't apply to you. But then again, this is a person who just finished a master's in public administration and can "somehow" afford a half million dollar condo by herself.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 13:39

Fried Watermelon: Dec 29, 2008

I just heard China game Canada a 2 Trillion dollar bailout

# ? Sep 21, 2016 14:22

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

peter banana posted:

Goddamn, imagine what this country would be like if even one competent person had ever held elected office or business leadership here.

They existed during WW2 and I think the country's been riding on their coattails ever since.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 14:40

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

https://twitter.com/Economy_Lab/status/778564713764401152?s=09

psst buddy want a mortgage

# ? Sep 21, 2016 14:44

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Dreylad posted:

They existed during WW2 and I think the country's been riding on their coattails ever since.

Oh yeah Mackenzie king totally competent you guys

# ? Sep 21, 2016 14:45

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

namaste faggots posted:

https://twitter.com/Economy_Lab/status/778564713764401152?s=09

psst buddy want a mortgage

I know someone in this business and I can't wait for them to eat their loving shirt.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 14:50

mastershakeman: Oct 28, 2008; by vyelkin

Fried Watermelon posted:

I just heard China game Canada a 2 Trillion dollar bailout

Only for CCoin, the new currency backed by the notes on Vancouver condos

# ? Sep 21, 2016 14:58

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

namaste faggots posted:

Oh yeah Mackenzie king totally competent you guys

lol

# ? Sep 21, 2016 15:00

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

We should all become private lenders and use our own house equity to loan out at 10% secured against the borrowers home. When rates edge higher you exit the market before your borrower goes tits up. I think I'm going to sock 6 digits into this idea.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 15:04

Mozi: Apr 4, 2004; Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:

I know someone in this business and I can't wait for them to eat their loving shirt.

Wow, I can just go to my neighbors and promise double-digit returns and they'll hand over their life savings? What a great idea! And if anybody needs to cash out I'll just find another neighbor. I'll call it the 'Ponzi plan' or something like that.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 15:38

peter banana: Sep 2, 2008; Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.

namaste faggots posted:

https://twitter.com/Economy_Lab/status/778564713764401152?s=09

psst buddy want a mortgage

quote:

These mortgage providers, which fall outside the responsibility of Canada�s main banking regulator, increased their share of the $1.4-trillion mortgage market to about 13 per cent last year from 6.7 per cent in 2007, according to the finance department. The lenders, also known as the shadow or private market, cater to the self-employed, new immigrants and those turned down by regular banks.

Cool. Coolcoolcoolcool.

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

I know someone in this business and I can't wait for them to eat their loving shirt.

Unironically this but for all homeowners and real estate agents.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 15:42

Lain Iwakura: Aug 5, 2004; The body exists only to verify one's own existence.; Taco Defender

tagesschau posted:

Hmm, that sounds like Brasil is attesting in court filings that this is an investment and not a principal residence, so all capital gains are 100% subject to Canadian income tax, as those of anyone joining in the suit would be.

I'm sure the Canada Revenue Agency would be glad to know this.

Why not ask the lawyer on Twitter?

https://twitter.com/class_counsel

# ? Sep 21, 2016 15:49

unknown: Nov 16, 2002; Ain't got no stinking title yet!

tagesschau posted:

Hmm, that sounds like Brasil is attesting in court filings that this is an investment and not a principal residence, so all capital gains are 100% subject to Canadian income tax, as those of anyone joining in the suit would be.

I'm sure the Canada Revenue Agency would be glad to know this.

The best part is that BC is an "opt-out" place when it comes to class action lawsuits.

Does that mean if you don't opt out, then automatically your property is an investment? Should be interesting...

# ? Sep 21, 2016 17:47

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

https://twitter.com/TriVestWealth/status/778619768471298048?s=09

# ? Sep 21, 2016 18:29

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rticle31981251/

quote:

Chinese agents enter Canada on tourist visas to coerce return of fugitive expats

China�s security services have been sending undercover agents into Canada on tourist visas to strong-arm expatriates to return home, including some suspected of corruption and other criminal activities.

The secret Chinese visits have raised concern among lawyers and prompted investigations by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service and the RCMP, even as the Trudeau government begins negotiations for an extradition treaty with China.

According to an insider briefed on China�s secret-agent operation, the Chinese moved to tactics that include threats and intimidation because they were �ticked off� at Canada for �not being willing to send people back the instant they asked� and for dragging its feet on an extradition treaty.

�Nobody has been caught and nobody has been taken to court,� the insider said.

The revelation comes as Chinese Premier Li Keqiang arrives in Ottawa on Wednesday for talks with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. The two leaders are expected to discuss the extradition treaty between China and Canada.

Formal talks on the extradition treaty were approved in Beijing on Sept. 12 between a top Communist Party official and Daniel Jean, national security adviser to Mr. Trudeau. A day later, a Chinese court ordered the deportation to Canada of jailed Canadian missionary Kevin Garratt.

China experts and opposition critics say Mr. Garratt�s release appears to be a quid pro quo for Canada beginning talks on an extradition treaty.

The covert Chinese operation has been going on for years in Canada, according to the insider briefed on the situation. It is part of a global effort by China to repatriate fugitives and recover money stolen by Communist party officials or employees of state-owned enterprises.

U.S. diplomats warned China in 2015 to stop using its security agents on American soil to pressure Chinese citizens to return home to face its court system.

While Mr. Trudeau was in China for an official visit earlier this month, The Globe asked him about the tactics Chinese agents are alleged to have used. In response, Mr. Trudeau said such issues are �exactly why� the two sides established a high-level dialogue on security and rule of law with China, �which will allow Canadian officials and Chinese officials to discuss specific cases, to discuss the principles and concerns that both sides have.�

Toronto refugee and immigration lawyer Lorne Waldman told The Globe and Mail some of his Chinese clients in Canada have received cellphone messages from Chinese security officials threatening them and their families if they do not return home. One client suspected that people watching him �might be from the Chinese government,� he said.

Mr. Waldman said he has worked with at least six people sought by China as fugitives. In the past year, two of them and the family of a third have been approached by CSIS agents who �asked them whether or not they had suffered harassment at the hands of those Chinese officials in Canada � in relation to their return to China, or made any threats directed toward them.�

The most recent such meeting took place this summer when �the officers told my clients that CSIS was investigating whether or not this type of harassment is occurring,� he said.

In the House of Commons on Tuesday, the Conservatives and New Democrats questioned the wisdom of repatriating Chinese citizens back to a country with a death penalty and a justice system that includes a reliance of evidence obtained through coercion and where the courts fall under the jurisdiction of the Communist Party.

Interim Conservative leader Rona Ambrose noted that in August Immigration Minister John McCallum had rejected a formal extradition treaty as long as China has a death penalty.

�Today the Prime Minister is at the table hammering out an agreement. I follow the news, Mr. Speaker, and I don�t see any headlines that China has abolished the death penalty, so what has changed in China month?� she said.

NDP Foreign Affairs critic H�l�ne Laverdi�re said: �Is this what the Prime Minister calls standing up for human rights?�

Mr. Trudeau told reporters at the United Nations that Canada will put in safeguards in any extradition treaty but did not provide details.

�Extradition is certainly one of the things the Chinese have indicated they want to talk about,� he said. �But any discussions around extradition, for example, will be very much in line with Canadian principles and Canadian values and Canadian expectations that are very high.�

Canada�s concerns with Chinese agents sneaking into the country are long-standing. In 2000, three secret police investigators applied for visas to come to Canada as workers for China National Pulp & Paper Corp., saying they wanted to discuss �Chinese users� requirements for Canadian pulp and paper.�

It was only later that Canada learned they came to pressure Chinese businessman Lai Changxing to return to China, where he was wanted on smuggling and bribery charges. The three police were accompanied by Mr. Lai�s brother.

The incident prompted Canada to file a diplomatic protest, said David Matas, a lawyer who represented Mr. Lai. Once called �China�s most-wanted fugitive,� Mr. Lai was deported in 2011 and sentenced to life in Chinese prison the following year.

Lawyer Clive Ansley, who has served as an expert witness on China�s legal system in deportation hearings, called an extradition treaty with Beijing �an atrocious idea.�

�Torture is routine in the Chinese criminal justice system,� he said. �The idea of Canada sitting down at the table and smiling nicely and entering into new extradition treaties to send people back � to me, it�s just beyond the pale.�

I'll allow it.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 19:30

Kafka Esq.: Jan 1, 2005; "If you ever even think about calling me anything but 'The Crab' I will go so fucking crab on your ass you won't even see what crab'd your crab" -The Crab(TM)

namaste faggots posted:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rticle31981251/

I'll allow it.

I was about to comment that I can't believe the thread title is still there but then you serve this up juicy.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 19:34

namaste friends: Sep 18, 2004; by Smythe

Kafka Esq. posted:

I was about to comment that I can't believe the thread title is still there but then you serve this up juicy.

Why do you even care? I could give a poo poo if secret agent 008 James Wong kidnapped some fuerdai and let them rot in a Xinjiang prison camp

# ? Sep 21, 2016 20:01

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

if we're gonna ship arms to saudis so they can murder non-wahabbists we may as well also ignore the human rights of other people on the off-chance that it might be a net good for the world.

Dreylad fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Sep 21, 2016

# ? Sep 21, 2016 20:25

Fried Watermelon: Dec 29, 2008

Would China give the evidence of their crimes to Canada in order to extradite them?

# ? Sep 21, 2016 20:26

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cowofwar: Jul 30, 2002; by Athanatos

Fried Watermelon posted:

Would China give the evidence of their crimes to Canada in order to extradite them?

The Chinese are very private about their money; that would go against their culture.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 20:28

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