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spudsbuckley
Aug 29, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

(and can't post for 5 years!)

Aphrodite posted:

That doesn't guarantee quality or anything.


She was the starring role in the most profitable Disney thing of all time, who the gently caress does she think she is?

Kristen Bell is a big deal but her personal life is fairly normal so she draws very little attention.

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Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

No little kid sings... I actually can't finish this sentence because nobody knows any Anna songs.


Besides she was in Movie 43, so Do Not Pass Go.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
The snowman one and love is an open door maybe? And I don't even like that movie.

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

I will confess,
I love this cultured hell that tests my youth.



smg77 posted:

I still want to see what a Ryan Murphy/Kurt Sutter collaboration would look like.

Please God no. Dear God please no.

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer
I would like Kurt Sutter to retire from content creation.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
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Aphrodite posted:

Besides she was in Movie 43

Everyone was in Movie 43, that's how they tried to sell it.

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

smg77 posted:

I still want to see what a Ryan Murphy/Kurt Sutter collaboration would look like.

You've never watched hardcore gay porn?

MOVIE MAJICK
Jan 4, 2012

by Pragmatica
It's a drat shame that season 1 of parks and rec even exists. After two episodes I was about to give up on a show that was trying so hard to capture the awful magic of the US office. The gags fell flatter than the characters felt. Season 2 is insanely better..

Does anyone I know what happened?

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

They talked about it on panels and Amy Poehler said that there was practically no break between seasons 1 and 2 in terms of production. I guess they just figured it out as they went along. I also think the last couple episodes of season 1 were pretty funny.

Vanderdeath
Oct 1, 2005

I will confess,
I love this cultured hell that tests my youth.



My one complaint about Parks and Rec is that Andy Dwyer went from being kinda dim but still a functional adult to being mentally challenged as the show went on.

MOVIE MAJICK
Jan 4, 2012

by Pragmatica

Vanderdeath posted:

My one complaint about Parks and Rec is that Andy Dwyer went from being kinda dim but still a functional adult to being mentally challenged as the show went on.

He gets worse?

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Vanderdeath posted:

My one complaint about Parks and Rec is that Andy Dwyer went from being kinda dim but still a functional adult to being mentally challenged as the show went on.

Alternatively he goes from a completely unlikable jerk to a loveable goof. I'll take that trade off.

timp
Sep 19, 2007

Everything is in my control
Lipstick Apathy

X-O posted:

Alternatively he goes from a completely unlikable jerk to a loveable goof. I'll take that trade off.

I'm pretty sure he got the Aaron Paul treatment, i.e. he was supposed to be a short-lived character but the producers or showrunners or whomever liked his energy and kept him on as an ensemble cast member, which would definitely require making him more likable. And yeah, it was definitely the right move. He's way more, erm...likable when he's more likable.

Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"
President Jack Bauer premieres tonight on ABC.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Gonz posted:

President Jack Bauer premieres tonight on ABC.

Good God that show looks terrible.

Sober
Nov 19, 2011

First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.
Okay This is Us actually impressed the crap out of me more than I was expecting.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Gonz posted:

President Jack Bauer premieres tonight on ABC.

It's good to know that he didn't just unintentionally murder all those presidents in 24, he had a goal all along.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Sober posted:

Okay This is Us actually impressed the crap out of me more than I was expecting.

I've heard a lot of good things about it. I'll probably try to catch it On Demand later in the week.

Sober
Nov 19, 2011

First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.
Conversely, holy poo poo, the pilot for Bull is an absolute mess. I know I don't watch a lot of legal procedural dramas but it feels like I walked into the middle of the 6th season of a show where the writers are seriously spiraling.

Let's see:
  • the opening montage/collage while cool looking starts with someone questioning "innocent until proven guilty?" and ends with "Rich people don't play by the same rules" and the episode proceeds with the 'team' basically defending a rich kid for murdering a young woman.
  • i'm not even gonna start on the shot where they turn shot into a still photo into a meme
  • also let's start on the body of a dead young woman (of colour) because we haven't seen that in a while
  • no one on the main cast is ever properly introduced or given a moment to shine, not even THE LEAD. he just leans casually in the corner when the defense team lawyers walk in and he is introduced by name. I mean what he did was just look at some screens and tell us who was gonna vote guilty. That was really, really, weak, and I've seen pretty pathetic character intros.
  • hilarious overly green screened shot that also doubles as exposition dump for the case. this is before you even cut to commercial. c'mon guys.
  • basically fill 15 minutes of characters talking shop about the case with no character work whatsoever. Cause this isn't the pilot at all.
  • somehow the only shocking thing is: a teenage girl (defendant's girlfriend) up on the stand and when she gets pissed off, she actually throws the tablet (to read her texts back) at the lawyer's face, square in the drat nose!
  • like literally the scene after is where the dead girl's father waltzes up the steps of the courthouse to take a shot at father of the guy who is on trial WITH NO BUILDUP WHATSOEVER. the last scene had more tension to it!
  • another 10 minutes of shop talking and then the main character telling his defendant client that he knows he's gay, and that's totally a valid defense and why he didn't kill that girl, because he didn't have sex with her... again. And apparently it's true and he knew the whole time... because he's just that good? well no, they don't mention anything about it. But he's gay, so let's roll with it.
  • the other subplot is Michael Weatherly convincing the sole female defense lawyer to take the lead at the end to sway the one lady who would cause everyone to vote not guilty, there's that too I guess.
  • also the defendant client who is a rich white boy is found not guilty and the poor minority family is left to suffer in this quick glimpse of the mother sobbing for about five seconds. who cares about the victim's family? this poor white boy is the victim here, he's on trial and then had to come out!
  • as everyone leaves the courthouse, Michael Weatherly confronts aforementioned jury lady (who swung the vote) why she voted not guilty even though the show told us at least three times why (because the guy on trial reminded her of her son, they just had to get her there). she calls him out on his psychoanalysis crap and says he must live a lonely life. this sentiment is completely unearned as we cut to black.
  • at this point I'm not sure if excising the "disturbed" part of "disturbed genius" was such a good idea. I felt like I was watching gears turn instead of a TV show.
  • Oh and the twist is that the outed gay client was having an affair with the tablet throwing teenage girl's father. And that girl's mother actually killed the actual victim (who cares about her anymore, she's not white) cause she's messed up like that and loves her daughter so so so much and kept a trophy of it cause that's what rational non-serial murder-moms do. And then the cops show up outside and OUR LEAD comes striding out of the lead vehicle because, well it wasn't his client so I guess that's fine. that's the pilot y'all!

Also man Spielberg must have his claws in everything cause he is getting a paycheque for this poo poo.

If none of this made sense then it's pretty clear the entire pilot for Bull made no sense at all or that I was just so good at communicating how the episode unfolded in the same manner as the show did.

Man and I thought the upcoming cop show where a billionaire buys a police department and outfits it with gadgets was gonna be bad. At least even the trailers had a sense of pathos in it. This show did not even seem like it tried to do anything other than simply exist.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Sober posted:

Okay This is Us actually impressed the crap out of me more than I was expecting.

What is this show, the first episode was amazing. :stare:

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


I can't believe a show about a goddamn trial consultant made it to air. The only way you could make that premise work is if he has a change of heart and uses his money to provide pro bono work to poor clients who have the deck stacked against them. This isn't like with defense attorneys were they're a necessary part of the system and they can make it so that it is mostly innocent people. Trial consultants are one of the worst professions because they are entirely about making it an unfair trial where it isn't evidence that decides the case but image.

DivisionPost
Jun 28, 2006

Nobody likes you.
Everybody hates you.
You're gonna lose.

Smile, you fuck.

MiddleOne posted:

What is this show, the first episode was amazing. :stare:

Let's give it up for Gerald McRaney casually owning the three scenes he was in like the seasoned pro he is.

8-Bit Scholar
Jan 23, 2016

by FactsAreUseless

timp posted:

I'm pretty sure he got the Aaron Paul treatment, i.e. he was supposed to be a short-lived character but the producers or showrunners or whomever liked his energy and kept him on as an ensemble cast member, which would definitely require making him more likable. And yeah, it was definitely the right move. He's way more, erm...likable when he's more likable.

Yeah, Andy's great. He's always been an idiot though. "He said he's going to take up mountain climbing. In Kansas."

Sober
Nov 19, 2011

First touch: Life.
Second touch: Dead again. Forever.

DivisionPost posted:

Let's give it up for Gerald McRaney casually owning the three scenes he was in like the seasoned pro he is.

He was the doctor right?

Like honestly this is probably one of the best pilots I can remember, and the last one I absolutely adored was Red Band Society.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

muscles like this? posted:

I can't believe a show about a goddamn trial consultant made it to air. The only way you could make that premise work is if he has a change of heart and uses his money to provide pro bono work to poor clients who have the deck stacked against them. This isn't like with defense attorneys were they're a necessary part of the system and they can make it so that it is mostly innocent people. Trial consultants are one of the worst professions because they are entirely about making it an unfair trial where it isn't evidence that decides the case but image.

I can't believe Michael Weatherly left NCIS for this trash fire. Say what you will about NCIS being for old people or whatever, but it was consistently good at what it set out to do.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

muscles like this? posted:

I can't believe a show about a goddamn trial consultant made it to air. The only way you could make that premise work is if he has a change of heart and uses his money to provide pro bono work to poor clients who have the deck stacked against them. This isn't like with defense attorneys were they're a necessary part of the system and they can make it so that it is mostly innocent people. Trial consultants are one of the worst professions because they are entirely about making it an unfair trial where it isn't evidence that decides the case but image.

What show are you referring to?



Also, wasn't this the season were that horrible police procedural about a tech billionare taking over a police precinct was supposed to air?

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


I think he's talking about Bull, aka "Dinozzo from NCIS puts on glasses and expects everyone to take him seriously, like Jeb Bush Rick Perry did"

Rhyno posted:

Good God that show looks terrible.

It looks like some exec said "24 was great, but how can we put Kiefer Sutherland in a show that plays to right wing fantasies even more?"

raditts fucked around with this message at 16:37 on Sep 21, 2016

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll

MiddleOne posted:

What show are you referring to?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5827228

MiddleOne posted:

Also, wasn't this the season were that horrible police procedural about a tech billionare taking over a police precinct was supposed to air?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5542294

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

raditts posted:

I think he's talking about Bull, aka "Dinozzo from NCIS puts on glasses and expects everyone to take him seriously, like Jeb Bush did"

That was Rick Perry but yes that's what he was referring to..

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


IRQ posted:

That was Rick Perry but yes that's what he was referring to..

Oh yeah, it was Rick Perry. They're practically interchangeable.

IRQ posted:

I can't believe Michael Weatherly left NCIS for this trash fire. Say what you will about NCIS being for old people or whatever, but it was consistently good at what it set out to do.

Well, his only purpose on that show was to be "dickhead who randomly spouts movie references" so the show is probably better for it.

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe

IRQ posted:

I can't believe Michael Weatherly left NCIS for this trash fire. Say what you will about NCIS being for old people or whatever, but it was consistently good at what it set out to do.

Weatherly probably got sick of playing the same role since 2002 even though he was making a good chunk of change for it. He should feel grateful he wasn't written out like every woman who left the series was by being killed off. Hell; they brought back Cote De Pablo's character offscreen only to kill her off so Weatherly could be written out.

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


Party Plane Jones posted:

they brought back Cote De Pablo's character offscreen only to kill her off so Weatherly could be written out.

Haha, did they really? That's incredible.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011


I just watched the episode. An interesting show could have been made about a corrupt smarmy rear end in a top hat who gets rich people off despicable crimes by gaming the justice system but then the show decides to whitewash it all by not only having the kid be innocent but also having the rear end in a top hat solve the crime for the police. Like what the gently caress? This show is essentially a more procedural How To Get Away With Murder but made by someone without a spine.

It also doesn't help that I just finished watching The People Vs O.J. and that this show somehow has courtscenes that are even less gripping than the ones in Suits.


raditts posted:

It looks like some exec said "24 was great, but how can we put Kiefer Sutherland in a show that plays to right wing fantasies even more?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diCKS6LkOXQ

MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Sep 21, 2016

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer
Vikings, season 4 started strong, but seems like it lost momentum pretty quickly. While production values are very high, it's starting to feel like the weakest season since the first one. A lot of the plot threads don't seem to really go anywhere, or they just drag out the same tensions with no real payoff.

I'm hoping it's just a slow burn.

IRQ
Sep 9, 2001

SUCK A DICK, DUMBSHITS!

Snak posted:

Vikings, season 4 started strong, but seems like it lost momentum pretty quickly. While production values are very high, it's starting to feel like the weakest season since the first one. A lot of the plot threads don't seem to really go anywhere, or they just drag out the same tensions with no real payoff.

I'm hoping it's just a slow burn.

So you got through 3, how about that fuckin' Paris battle?



raditts posted:

Well, his only purpose on that show was to be "dickhead who randomly spouts movie references" so the show is probably better for it.

There was a lot more to the character than that but I know nobody else likes the show so I'll not bother.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

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The TV spots for "This Is Us" pretty much killed any interest for that show as it just looked banal. So congrats a few people posting in here for doing a better job at selling a show than NBC have been able to do.

Snak
Oct 10, 2005

I myself will carry you to the Gates of Valhalla...
You will ride eternal,
shiny and chrome.
Grimey Drawer

IRQ posted:

So you got through 3, how about that fuckin' Paris battle?

Oh yeah. Pretty great! I liked how they showed the tide turn during the first day of the siege. All the battles have been consistently great. Their budget for cgi boats etc has really helped convey scale. I wasn't sure the Paris siege was going to be believable at all, but they pulled it off.

bagrada
Aug 4, 2007

The Demogorgon is tired of your silly human bickering!

EL BROMANCE posted:

The TV spots for "This Is Us" pretty much killed any interest for that show as it just looked banal. So congrats a few people posting in here for doing a better job at selling a show than NBC have been able to do.

Yeah the tv spots had me writing it off but I watched it anyway because it looks to be a water cooler show at work this year (alongside office favorites Blacklist and American Horror Story). It was really good, I'm just not sure how they would keep it up for a full season. The commercials for next week already look bad but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for an episode or two. And even parts of the pilot were really cheesy but somehow it worked.

A friend was asking me to compare it to another show so they would know what to expect and the only thing I could think of was Sense-8 without the sci fi, since I don't watch much else like it.

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer
Honestly, I turned to my wife during This Is Us and said "I wish they didn't give every scene and moment away in the trailers."


And then the last 3 minutes happened.


Edit:

bagrada posted:

A friend was asking me to compare it to another show so they would know what to expect and the only thing I could think of was Sense-8 without the sci fi, since I don't watch much else like it.

Parenthood. It captures that same feeling and might be actively cultivating it. That said, the structure is different but it really is very similar in tone.

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MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Thwomp posted:

And then the last 3 minutes happened.

Truly amazing moment, for a show starring an actors I only know from Heroes and Smallville it sure loving resonated emotionally.

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