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Endless Mike posted:Don't worry. Maybe Google will finally make a true knockoff iMessage in their 2017 messenger app. Yeah, that's my hope as well. Needing a data connection makes me think Allo wont work with Android's Battery Saver mode either. Not that I have any concrete info there. Just seems likely.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 14:30 |
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Endless Mike posted:Don't worry. Maybe Google will finally make a true knockoff iMessage in their 2017 messenger app. I wouldn't be surprised if Google ramped up their obsolescence scheduling and put out a couple new messaging apps to gently caress with allo by the end of the year. I tried out allo. It's good between Android users, the SMS relay for iOS users is very weird. If it includes true SMS I'd probably consider using it more, but there's no reason to use it really. FB messenger and WhatsApp are better because more people use them, and at least WhatsApp is end to end encrypted without having to go incognito but whatever. It's just a whatever app. I think the thing I care about most in google messaging nonsense would just be configuring hangouts to allow MMSs over 300KB because a screenshot on my phone snaps pictures at like 1MB. If I could just change that one setting I'd just use hangouts for the rest of my life-- if anyone's managed to change that (especially with the really dope Fi integration), I'd be in your debt.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 14:35 |
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Allo is a fine messaging app if you ignore the fact that what makes a messaging app good is like 95% network effects (aka who the gently caress are you going to chat with on a totally new chat network).
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 15:20 |
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It's completely shocking to me that they'd release a messaging app that doesn't tie in with your google account and can only be used on a single device, and it has to be your phone. I mean, this is Google so I was expecting it to be awful, but this is really unreal. Who the hell is going to use this over the countless superior alternatives? Among which are other Google messaging apps.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 15:22 |
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Knifegrab posted:Oh god it doesn't use SMS this is clearly the worst thing ever (literally no one I know uses SMS) It does have SMS though
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 15:25 |
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Allo made little to no sense when it was announced and now that it's out it seems to make even less sense.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 15:42 |
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Does google honestly think desktop integration and multiple devices is not worth keeping up with? Either they are really confused at what users habits are or I am a very atypical user.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 15:57 |
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I'm normally a pretty big Google apologist but this one is definitely a headscratcher. They've yet to make a compelling case for why Allo shouldn't tie in with your existing Google accounts and basically replace Hangouts. Messaging that relies only on your phone number and can only be used on your phone is called SMS. (Except of course, this requires internet instead...) One might suggest that they're afraid to step on Hangouts' toes, but that's certainly never stopped them before. They'd really be better off just imitating Facebook Messenger entirely. This feels different for the sake of different.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 15:59 |
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Installed Allo this morning. It does have SMS, and it does tie into your google account. That said, I sent a sticker to my iPhone-using wife. She was prompted to download Allo. She says, "What is Ollo?" "Oh it's some new messaging service." "Uggggh I hate that I have to have 30 loving apps to communicate!!" So as you can imagine, Allo will be a runaway success.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 16:03 |
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I've been talking to my brother for a few minutes on Allo, and it's pretty much just "Well, I guess this puking sticker is kinda funny in a childish way." I tried texting myself from Allo, and it came through from a short code. Then Hangouts told me it would cost money to reply to it. That is streamlined as gently caress, and not a super lovely experience at all.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 16:03 |
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I don't know you guys, I hear kids like emojis.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 16:10 |
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What app should I use to sync some calendar events between 3 people's phones?
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 16:23 |
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RJWaters2 posted:What app should I use to sync some calendar events between 3 people's phones? Have you tried Allo? Heard it's really good
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 16:28 |
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RJWaters2 posted:What app should I use to sync some calendar events between 3 people's phones? I've got a shared Google calendar with my wife, but I don't know about only syncing specific events. Of course you could always just create a new shared calendar specifically for sharing events between 3 Google accounts (and then their phones) but that might be a little more work than it's worth depending on how much you need to do that.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 16:32 |
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Mogomra posted:I've got a shared Google calendar with my wife, but I don't know about only syncing specific events. This is the proper solution. It's clunky in that everyone needs to use that calendar instead of their own for those specific events but that's the workflow.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 16:34 |
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https://twitter.com/RonAmadeo/status/778470188156981254
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 16:39 |
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Lowen SoDium fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Sep 21, 2016 |
# ? Sep 21, 2016 16:43 |
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I'm impressed by the Google Assistant implementation and integration. And with my one buddy I was able to test it and it did seem super convenient to have those results directly integrated into the chat. And I was able to do the direct-message to Play Services thing with him where on his end it showed up as an Allo Message prompt with a button to install the service or to simply reply. I too am disappointed with the SMS relay, only because I have Fi, so I would figure at least for this tiny group we'd have proper SMS integration. So far I like it, not switch all my friends over from WhatsApp after winning that argument, but enough to switch some of my friends from Hangouts over. The Reddit hivemind is insane. They have ultra-nerd use cases and get all twisted when something doesn't support it. Also, 90% of the complaints with both SMS, Allo, and other poo poo would be solved if they just rolled out a native Chrome-Android notification sync service so you could reply or carry on a conversation from the desktop.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 16:51 |
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https://twitter.com/RonAmadeo/status/778473252691726336
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 17:40 |
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Mogomra posted:I've got a shared Google calendar with my wife, but I don't know about only syncing specific events. Cool thanks, it's for roommates work/events scheduling so that'll work fine
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 17:43 |
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Nevermind. Got it. Used it for a couple conversations. Meh. I'll stick with Hangouts. I also didn't realize there isn't a desktop implementation for Allo to continue conversations on my Mac at work, PC, or my C720. teagone fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Sep 21, 2016 |
# ? Sep 21, 2016 20:11 |
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What does Allo mean for the future of Hangouts?
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 21:16 |
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mango sentinel posted:What does Allo mean for the future of Hangouts? Google has nebulously said Hangouts will be focused on "the enterprise"...whatever that means is anyones guess.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 21:16 |
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Thermopyle posted:Google has nebulously said Hangouts will be focused on "the enterprise"...whatever that means is anyones guess. Probably something like Lync or BBM
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 21:18 |
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Hangouts to be renamed Allo for Business and be completely incompatible with Allo.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 21:26 |
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Wait, I thought allo wasn't going to support SMS. So do Allo and Hangouts do the exact same thing, then? Both services let you use a chat service that also supports SMS if your friends don't use it, except the chat services are completely separate? Allo doesn't have a desktop version though, so what's the point? The whole learning what I normally say gimmick?
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 21:31 |
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so they were jealous of LINE and decided to make something even worse?
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 21:36 |
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Wrist Watch posted:Wait, I thought allo wasn't going to support SMS. Same thing broadly speaking, except Allo is tied to a phone number/device for some reason. And it doesn't support SMS, it just has a simplified way to convert SMS to Allo message, sort of like using SMS to tweet or whatever.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 21:38 |
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There are some nice ideas in Google's new messaging apps, but I hope they flop horribly and Google bakes their functions into Android like they should've from the start.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 21:40 |
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FunOne posted:They have ultra-nerd use cases and get all twisted when something doesn't support it. I don't think its an ultra-nerd use case issue. Really, I use hangouts 90% of the time. I just want something that can sync from desktop to phone to tablet to mini-fridge to iOS devices. Emojii are fine, but w/e. I use like 5. Stickers are dumb, but Hangouts has them already. I like the sms combined view, but hate that they hosed up contact pictures and never bothered to fix them. Is there 1 feature of Allo that Hangouts didn't already do? It seems like its hangouts minus stuff, instead of just solidifying hangouts.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 21:44 |
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deong posted:It seems like its hangouts minus stuff, instead of just solidifying hangouts. TBH, this, in itself, is not a bad thing. Sometimes a less complicated app will be the more popular and intuitive app for most people. Nerdy engineers have this tendency to put in every feature they can think of someone wanting to use...but there's a real usability cost for every added feature. I just have a hard time seeing how Google gets their user count from zero to high enough to make the app useful.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 21:50 |
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 21:54 |
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God Google, if you really want to compete with imessages why not develop some sort of API that hooks into your Google account, then force OEM's to implement it into their stock messaging apps. This poo poo should have been done 3 years ago.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 22:02 |
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Oh it also cracks me up that Google Assistant, one of the only real selling points here, is "Preview Edition". That is the Googlest thing.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 22:09 |
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chocolateTHUNDER posted:God Google, if you really want to compete with imessages why not develop some sort of API that hooks into your Google account, then force OEM's to implement it into their stock messaging apps. They wouldn't have to force anything. The SMS store is a system component so it's consistent between manufacturer builds of Android. All they would need to do is have a new process in play services monitor the DB for updates and forward them off to Google's servers. Google could very easily build a superior version of iMessage with little effort, they just have chosen not to.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 22:19 |
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Sir Lemming posted:Same thing broadly speaking, except Allo is tied to a phone number/device for some reason. And it doesn't support SMS, it just has a simplified way to convert SMS to Allo message, sort of like using SMS to tweet or whatever. So...Allo can send out SMS the same way I could SMS a tweet, but you can't actually receive SMS using Allo? Do I have this right? Sorry, it's just confusing me because every time I check Allo seems to have even less features than I thought it did. Thermopyle posted:TBH, this, in itself, is not a bad thing. Sometimes a less complicated app will be the more popular and intuitive app for most people. Nerdy engineers have this tendency to put in every feature they can think of someone wanting to use...but there's a real usability cost for every added feature. They'll just tie it in to another major service they offer a la google + and artificially inflate their numbers that way if need be for metrics' sake
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 22:21 |
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deong posted:Is there 1 feature of Allo that Hangouts didn't already do? It seems like its hangouts minus stuff, instead of just solidifying hangouts. The answer to all questions is: Google Assistant. Why did they build a new messaging platform? Google Assistant integration. Why doesn't it do end to end encryption? Google Assistant. Why do they think people will use this over WhatsApp et. al? Google Assistant! Why can't I desktop in version 1.0? Google Assistant needs GPS! Why don't you have these other features? Because the version we demo'd at I/O was just a mock up and didn't actually exist, we've been working this whole time to get here damnit. Its a shell for Google Assistant that we'll eventually make in to a real competitor. Maybe. Or something else. And yeah, many of these complaints are just because we're all nerds. I mean, we're talking about phones on an internet messaging platform. WhatsApp built a huge community without encryption, without desktop, hell, without web for a long time. Mobile only, no sync. Facebook messenger built its own user base without SMS and just phone sign up as well. Oh, and Snapchat. Oh, and Instagram too. I suspect that was the argument for going mobile-first to build a decent tick-the-box chat platform around the Google Assistant integration then develop from there those other things. That being said: What the gently caress is with the SMS integration? I mean, just leave it out if you're not going to even attempt to integrate with anything. I have Fi, just directly connect out to my SMS gateway instead of making another one! gently caress. Also, image compression is set to kill rather than just stun. I'd love a platform with the option to set it to NONE, but still, this is pretty aggressive. And the clean UI gets hosed sending screenshots of the app and other such edge cases. Still, the direct message popup without install on other Android devices, when it works, is slick as poo poo. And the Google Assistant actually seems like it'd be pretty useful. That and reply suggestions.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 22:51 |
One useful thing that I'd like to see ported out of Allo is the suggested follow up commands for a Google search. I think pretty much everything you can do in Google assistant can already be done via Google now searches right?
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 23:00 |
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My office is under a parking garage and I get literally zero cell service. I use a hangouts # because it is the only way for me to get calls/text while I am at work. Initial testing with Allo seems to suggest that I can send SMS from my carrier # while at work now, though I can only receive them if it is my initial message that is replied to. Doesn't seem like it will pass anything else through I'm so confused by all of this. All I want is an app that I can use to talk to my friends with using either my google or carrier #. Hangouts took a huge step back when they separated conversation threads. Teeter fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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bull3964 posted:They wouldn't have to force anything. I would imagine there would have to be some work done by the OEM's to support things like message indicators (typing, read etc) stickers, "fun" features etc.
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# ? Sep 21, 2016 23:25 |