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Even notwithstanding the effects of the tank damage nerf (although that really didn't help matters with low level threat which was already a bit of a struggle), I'd say tanking probably has the steepest initial learning curve of the three roles for a newbie - especially when it comes to holding aggro, especially on more than just one mob. But I also think it ends up being the easiest role once you've gotten used to it.
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On the other hand, it's Halatali. It's a pre-30 dungeon. Any role can effectively be the tank without negatively impacting progress.
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ilifinicus posted:the overall damage nerf to tanks also impacted their ability to hold threat in lower levels, to nobody's surprise The bad tanks who can't hold threat weren't the ones wearing full STR before the nerf.
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 Creator gear. Dunno how I feel about the healer coat, it's kinda hard to judge right now since it's on a popoto. Caster coat is neat though.
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Fister Roboto posted:The bad tanks who can't hold threat weren't the ones wearing full STR before the nerf.
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Saigyouji posted:
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Yep, digging that tank set hardcore. Tuesday can't come soon enough.
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Reminds me of a black and white version of the poetics gear.
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It'd be nice if healers actually got a hat from raiding for once, instead of hoods and tiaras.
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I leveled all my tanks via ldr, after the nerf, never had big issues holding aggro. And I'm a really lazy person with having up to date gear. Yeah, it's way harder than it should be, and sometimes you'll lose aggro on a guy for more than a couple GCDs, but it's also low level dungeons so it doesn't matter. Hell, maybe it's even good it's that way. Better to make people work for their threat at low levels so they're familiar with what is going on by the time it matters.
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putting all three new gearsets in one post for comparison purposes Tomestone gear:  Alexander Creator gear: Crafted gear: 
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And dragoon continues their streak of only bad gear
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I'm glad healer / caster gears are no longer just palette swaps of each other. Have they shown / said what dungeon gear looks like? I'm assuming since it's an even numbered patch, they're just doing a color change on an old gearset like 3.2 did.
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I like that the crafted weapons are recolored Aery weapons, if only because it means I can dump the Svalin and Dainslaif and just craft the 250s if I ever want to use them for glamour again.
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seiferguy posted:I'm glad healer / caster gears are no longer just palette swaps of each other.  This is the dungeon gear. It's recolored stuff like you said.
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seiferguy posted:I'm glad healer / caster gears are no longer just palette swaps of each other. e: yea that clown poo poo above
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cheetah7071 posted:And dragoon continues their streak of only bad gear Yeah, well... DRG at least has the best AF gearset in the game  Gizmo Chicken posted:
That's disappointing. They didn't even include the best vault stuff (the tank gear, seriously that set is amazing), or the 3.1 stuff (the Plague Doctor / Bringer set. Until I find a better set, my caster will always wear the Plague Bringer set).
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Fister Roboto posted:The bad tanks who can't hold threat weren't the ones wearing full STR before the nerf. all those str stacking level 18 paladins in copperbell
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After days of no one biting for a diadem PF group and days of waiting in DF queue without it popping once, one of the FC airships finally came back and i got someone to drop me off there. But the time limit was 30 minutes which, uh... doesn't seem right. Do small groups get less time or something?
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HenryEx posted:After days of no one biting for a diadem PF group and days of waiting in DF queue without it popping once, one of the FC airships finally came back and i got someone to drop me off there. Easy mode only gets 30 minutes. Normal and hard have longer time limits.
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troofs posted:If the tank with worse gear can survive maintanking the boss, wouldn't it be better anyway? That way the tank with the better gear can spend more time DPSing. I have never tanked anything above 4-man so I have no idea what it is like. As pointed out earlier, one of the common things that happens is that the bettered geared tank has better gear and manages to pull threat while DPSing. This is most common with WARs due to fell cleave but can sometimes happen when a PLD tries to help with debuffs and incorporates Halone into their DPS combo instead of dispensing Royal Authority nonstop. The thing that's absolutely most likely to happen though, is that DPS with equivalent gear to the better geared tank are going to rip threat from the lesser geared tank. This'll force the best geared tank to MT simply because they're the only one who can. Less geared tanks can still put out decent DPS after all. EponymousMrYar fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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As a WAR, there are few things in the game that anger me more than accidentally pulling aggro from the other tank. Mostly because it always happens right before the boss does a cleave attack. It happened again on Nidhogg Normal during duty roulette yesterday. I make a point of always popping Unchained when pulling as main tank so that doesn't happen and I'm allowed to stack on Storm's Eyes or even outright switch to Deliverance without worrying about a crazy BLM/BRD/MCH. SL the Pyro fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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Isn't it pretty normal to pull with berserk/unchained? My tank gear is rpetty lovely and I've literally never lost aggro on a boss when infuriate/berserk/unchained were all up during the pull.
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I don't usually use Berserk for the initial pull. My initial pull combo is Unchained > Tomahawk > Tomahawk > Butcher's Block Combo > Butcher's Block Combo. That way I can go straight into a Berserk Triple Cleave without worrying about losing aggro. Granted, I probably should be using Berserk for the bosses that do those dumb LOL I'M INVINCIBLE NOW things shortly after pulling, though. I'M LOOKING AT YOU, NIDHOGG. SL the Pyro fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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Sep 21, 2016 21:49
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 Chemistry. I'm gonna make 'em gently caress.
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SL the Pyro posted:I don't usually use Berserk for the initial pull. My initial pull combo is Unchained > Tomahawk > Tomahawk > Butcher's Block Combo > Butcher's Block Combo. That way I can go straight into a Berserk Triple Cleave without worrying about losing aggro. I'm pretty sure Overpower has a higher threat coefficient even single-target and should be used in any situation where the difference between 8 and 15 yards doesn't matter (i.e. everything).
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Here's a full large screenshot dump someone posted on reddit: 12 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 1819 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27
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I actually really dig how clean the PVP Spectator UI is. I think the inclusion of everyones Purify cooldown timer is kinda awful though. Could lead to some dumb ghosting.
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It's me, I'm excited for this.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:It's me, I'm excited for this. I'm excited for both it and
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Someone explain Wondrous Tails for me? I can't seem to find a good description of what it actually is.
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it's an extension of the challenge log, with an RNG element involved to the rewards and the objectives
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Augus posted:Someone explain Wondrous Tails for me? I can't seem to find a good description of what it actually is. I heard you like challenge logs so we put in a challenge log for your challenge log!
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Augus posted:Someone explain Wondrous Tails for me? I can't seem to find a good description of what it actually is. You're presented with a set of (weekly, IIRC) random challenges on a bingo board and you get rewards for getting lines/filling it in. These challenges can be stuff like "do an under-49 dungeon" or they can be "clear x Ex Primal" or "clear Final Coil (this might just be a specific floor)". You can use certain points to reshuffle the positions of the challenges or unclear something to mark something else as cleared. You get these points from stuff like running content with newbies, I think.
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hobbesmaster posted:I heard you like challenge logs so we put in a challenge log for your challenge log! It also has stickers! Everyone loves stickers!
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jellycat posted:You're presented with a set of (weekly, IIRC) random challenges on a bingo board and you get rewards for getting lines/filling it in. That might be useful for people like me who haven't played all of the old content yet, cool
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hobbesmaster posted:I heard you like challenge logs so we put in a challenge log for your challenge log! No challenge log entry ever rewarded me with 60 of the newest tomestones or 500 of the older ones  I am excited for these
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Wondrous Tails is gonna own.
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drunk asian neighbor posted:No challenge log entry ever rewarded me with 60 of the newest tomestones or 500 of the older ones Anything that accelerates the rate I get the currency that buys Umbrite is ok in my book.
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I hope it has a wind-up miqote kitten as a minion
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