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Rick_Hunter: Jan 5, 2004; My guys are still fighting the hard fight!
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Rick_Hunter fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Sep 20, 2016

# ? Sep 20, 2016 23:28

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# ? Sep 20, 2016 23:47

bad news bareback: Jan 16, 2009

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# ? Sep 21, 2016 00:02

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

So I caught about 10 minutes of Rush this afternoon and it was absolutely sublime.

He was telling his audience to distrust any information they receive, don't automatically accept information without vetting it, don't take things at face value just because you read it or heard it, and claiming that the goal of "the media" is to repeat information and lies enough times to the point that you begin to believe what they want you to believe.

On the one hand, I agreed with him but the entire time I couldn't help but wonder where he'd be if HIS listeners applied these standards to his own unique brand of propagandistic bullshit. He was basically describing exactly what he does each and every day as simple matter of buttering his own bread in between counting goant stacks of money.

I like to think it was on purpose but I admit that I'm not sure. To hear him bascially describe himself, his methods and attribute these tendencies to the media at large put me in quite a snit.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 00:48

Jazerus: May 24, 2011

BiggerBoat posted:

So I caught about 10 minutes of Rush this afternoon and it was absolutely sublime.

He was telling his audience to distrust any information they receive, don't automatically accept information without vetting it, don't take things at face value just because you read it or heard it, and claiming that the goal of "the media" is to repeat information and lies enough times to the point that you begin to believe what they want you to believe.

On the one hand, I agreed with him but the entire time I couldn't help but wonder where he'd be if HIS listeners applied these standards to his own unique brand of propagandistic bullshit. He was basically describing exactly what he does each and every day as simple matter of buttering his own bread in between counting goant stacks of money.

I like to think it was on purpose but I admit that I'm not sure. To hear him bascially describe himself, his methods and attribute these tendencies to the media at large put me in quite a snit.

Has to be on purpose. Rush was never a rube like his listeners, he only went full conservative alternate reality because it made a shitload of money.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 00:54

Bobbin Threadbare: Jan 2, 2009; I'm looking for a flock of urbanmechs.

BiggerBoat posted:

So I caught about 10 minutes of Rush this afternoon and it was absolutely sublime.

He was telling his audience to distrust any information they receive, don't automatically accept information without vetting it, don't take things at face value just because you read it or heard it, and claiming that the goal of "the media" is to repeat information and lies enough times to the point that you begin to believe what they want you to believe.

On the one hand, I agreed with him but the entire time I couldn't help but wonder where he'd be if HIS listeners applied these standards to his own unique brand of propagandistic bullshit. He was basically describing exactly what he does each and every day as simple matter of buttering his own bread in between counting goant stacks of money.

I like to think it was on purpose but I admit that I'm not sure. To hear him bascially describe himself, his methods and attribute these tendencies to the media at large put me in quite a snit.

Yeah, that's the ultimate paradox of the conspiracy theorist. You can't trust anyone, and yet you're still trusting someone.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 01:00

Chilichimp: Oct 24, 2006; TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp; Grimey Drawer

A simple concept, taught to me in my adolescence by this man:

# ? Sep 21, 2016 01:44

Mister Facetious: Apr 21, 2007; I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

Never thought he'd be a Nazi stooge (when I was 7).

# ? Sep 21, 2016 01:50

ErIog: Jul 11, 2001

Bobbin Threadbare posted:

Yeah, that's the ultimate paradox of the conspiracy theorist. You can't trust anyone, and yet you're still trusting someone.

This is part of conspiracy-theorist communities and right wing media operating more like a cult than anything else. They spend a lot of time tearing down all other sources of influence, and reinforcing that you can't possibly trust anyone besides other cult members/conspiracy theorists/right wing media assholes.

I think part of the reason the right wing is more susceptible to this kind of hucksterism has to do with the fact that the more fundamentalist religious sects often prime them for having this relationship with the rest of the world. They go to church and the priest tells them, "gently caress all that noise out there in the real world, the only thing that matters is the word of god _{as interpreted and delivered through me}" Then the come home and they turn on Rush who tells them, "gently caress all that noise you hear in the rest of the media, the only thing that matters is conservatism _{as interpreted and delivered through me}."

The left wing has its share of these kind of people too, but they're not monetized in the same way the right wing is. They're much more splintered. They don't have their own TV network. Their approach to religion is generally more holistic.

ErIog fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Sep 21, 2016

# ? Sep 21, 2016 01:59

Spacedad: Sep 11, 2001; We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.

BiggerBoat posted:

So I caught about 10 minutes of Rush this afternoon and it was absolutely sublime.

He was telling his audience to distrust any information they receive, don't automatically accept information without vetting it, don't take things at face value just because you read it or heard it, and claiming that the goal of "the media" is to repeat information and lies enough times to the point that you begin to believe what they want you to believe.

On the one hand, I agreed with him but the entire time I couldn't help but wonder where he'd be if HIS listeners applied these standards to his own unique brand of propagandistic bullshit. He was basically describing exactly what he does each and every day as simple matter of buttering his own bread in between counting goant stacks of money.

I like to think it was on purpose but I admit that I'm not sure. To hear him bascially describe himself, his methods and attribute these tendencies to the media at large put me in quite a snit.

It's a 'hiding in the lies in plain sight' strategy.

You make your audience think you are educating them about how to discern what is good or bad information but really you're just reassuring them that the poisonous lying bullshit you spew is just fine.

Rush has used this strategy since his early days - as have countless other pundits. We are also seeing the armchair logicians of youtube who have become the modern-day Rush Limbaughs also using this strategy.

The worst part of this strategy is how all the followers of the person using it become insufferably arrogant. (I.E. the 'dittoheads.') They also become overly-skeptical of ANY information that contradicts their views (to the point of disputing stuff for wholly irrational reasons) as they believe they've been enlightened somehow. When really they have a lovely overly-simplistic command of logic that they've been taught to use to confirm their biases rather than re-examine them. Essentially they've all been given a snake-oil tonic version of argumentative logic, with confirmation bias for one's bigotry as the opiate & paint thinner filler.

Spacedad fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Sep 21, 2016

# ? Sep 21, 2016 09:31

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

ErIog posted:

This is part of conspiracy-theorist communities and right wing media operating more like a cult than anything else. They spend a lot of time tearing down all other sources of influence, and reinforcing that you can't possibly trust anyone besides other cult members/conspiracy theorists/right wing media assholes.

I think part of the reason the right wing is more susceptible to this kind of hucksterism has to do with the fact that the more fundamentalist religious sects often prime them for having this relationship with the rest of the world. They go to church and the priest tells them, "gently caress all that noise out there in the real world, the only thing that matters is the word of god _{as interpreted and delivered through me}" Then the come home and they turn on Rush who tells them, "gently caress all that noise you hear in the rest of the media, the only thing that matters is conservatism _{as interpreted and delivered through me}."

The left wing has its share of these kind of people too, but they're not monetized in the same way the right wing is. They're much more splintered. They don't have their own TV network. Their approach to religion is generally more holistic.

its because they believe in things that arent real, like trickle down economics or god

# ? Sep 21, 2016 09:56

robotsinmyhead: Nov 29, 2005; Dude, they oughta call you Piledriver!; Clever Betty

Prester Jane's "Decoding Authoritarians" thread on SA covers this stuff really well.

She doesn't claim to be an expert, but there's some stuff on Narrativism that was really interesting to read.

Basically, people like Conspiracy Theorists or Fundamentalists view the world through a narrative that they created or that they latched on to. This narrative is ineffable, and when the narrative is challenged, the either buck hard in the opposite direction or (rarely) make headways into coming out of it. Evidence against a thing often becomes evidence for a thing because it's obvious that it's some sort of ploy, trick, or false flag.

robotsinmyhead fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Sep 21, 2016

# ? Sep 21, 2016 13:10

Twelve by Pies: May 4, 2012; Again a very likpatous story

So I guess Glenn Beck's serial this week is on the destruction of the traditional family unit and how it spells doom for America. Lots of complaining about single moms and families where both parents work, surprisingly little about gays though. It was slightly irritating to hear him talk about teen pregnancy rates when things that would fix it (dump abstinence only sex education, better access to contraceptives) are things the right opposes, but that's pretty standard I suppose.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 17:08

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

Anxiouisly awaiting Sean Hannity's "shocking news" about the dude from Reddit trying to figure out how to erase email addresses.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 17:16

KiteAuraan: Aug 5, 2014; JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!

Twelve by Pies posted:

So I guess Glenn Beck's serial this week is on the destruction of the traditional family unit and how it spells doom for America. Lots of complaining about single moms and families where both parents work, surprisingly little about gays though. It was slightly irritating to hear him talk about teen pregnancy rates when things that would fix it (dump abstinence only sex education, better access to contraceptives) are things the right opposes, but that's pretty standard I suppose.

What is a traditional family unit? In some African cultures it's matrilineal descent, because it's hard to tell who a biological father may be so it doesn't matter, while there are fathers, father figures, marriage and all that, no child is a "bastard" because they all have a mother. In traditional Hopi society divorce was common and a child's maternal uncles were often just as, if not more important than their biological father, and their place in the community was reckoned through the maternal line. Then you have polygyny, which is traditional in large chunks of Africa and Southwest Asia, including in among the ancient kingdoms of Israel and Judah. So which one is the "traditional family unit"?

# ? Sep 21, 2016 17:19

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

KiteAuraan posted:

What is a traditional family unit? In some African cultures it's matrilineal descent, because it's hard to tell who a biological father may be so it doesn't matter, while there are fathers, father figures, marriage and all that, no child is a "bastard" because they all have a mother. In traditional Hopi society divorce was common and a child's maternal uncles were often just as, if not more important than their biological father, and their place in the community was reckoned through the maternal line. Then you have polygyny, which is traditional in large chunks of Africa and Southwest Asia, including in among the ancient kingdoms of Israel and Judah. So which one is the "traditional family unit"?

Probably the American one.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 17:26

KiteAuraan: Aug 5, 2014; JER GEDDA FERDA RADDA ARA!

computer parts posted:

Probably the American one.

So is that early Mormon polygyny?

# ? Sep 21, 2016 17:33

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

KiteAuraan posted:

So is that early Mormon polygyny?

Mormons aren't American.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 17:34

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

KiteAuraan posted:

So is that early Mormon polygyny?

The imaginary one invented by 1950s sitcoms that baby boomers watched as children and assumed was real.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 17:41

corn in the bible: Jun 5, 2004; Oh no oh god it's all true!

Boy the way Glen Miller played
Songs that made the hit parade.
Guys like us we had it made,
Those were the days.

And you knew who you were then,
Girls were girls and men were men,
Mister we could use a man
Like Herbert Hoover again.

Didn't need no welfare state,
Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee our old LaSalle ran great.
Those were the days.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 17:58

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

I was gonna post this this in USPOL but it moves too fast.

Take that map and flip NH to Trump. We get 268 - 268. What happens then? And why am I afraid that's exactly what's going to happen? That'd make 2000 seem like an episode of Sesame Street. Especially with a vacancy on the supreme court.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 18:34

Minenfeld!: Aug 21, 2012

KiteAuraan posted:

What is a traditional family unit? In some African cultures it's matrilineal descent, because it's hard to tell who a biological father may be so it doesn't matter, while there are fathers, father figures, marriage and all that, no child is a "bastard" because they all have a mother. In traditional Hopi society divorce was common and a child's maternal uncles were often just as, if not more important than their biological father, and their place in the community was reckoned through the maternal line. Then you have polygyny, which is traditional in large chunks of Africa and Southwest Asia, including in among the ancient kingdoms of Israel and Judah. So which one is the "traditional family unit"?

Don't confuse people with your cultural relativism. It's messy and doesn't acknowledge that America perfected life in 1950.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 18:37

emdash: Oct 19, 2003; and?

BiggerBoat posted:

I was gonna post this this in USPOL but it moves too fast.

Take that map and flip NH to Trump. We get 268 - 268. What happens then? And why am I afraid that's exactly what's going to happen? That'd make 2000 seem like an episode of Sesame Street. Especially with a vacancy on the supreme court.

Well, HRC +9 in the Monmouth NH poll should alleviate some of your concern. But yes, Trump would probably be selected by right-wing congress at that point

# ? Sep 21, 2016 18:41

Goatman Sacks: Apr 4, 2011; by FactsAreUseless

BiggerBoat posted:

I was gonna post this this in USPOL but it moves too fast.

Take that map and flip NH to Trump. We get 268 - 268. What happens then? And why am I afraid that's exactly what's going to happen? That'd make 2000 seem like an episode of Sesame Street. Especially with a vacancy on the supreme court.

You didn't assign Maine or NE's single separately-elected electoral vote - which are both going to go Trump. That gives him exactly 270, and it could happen.

In the event of a tie (or specifically no electoral majority), the president is elected by members of the house. Not specifically the house at large, though - it's a bit vague.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 18:41

computer parts: Nov 18, 2010; PLEASE CLAP

emdash posted:

Well, HRC +9 in the Monmouth NH poll should alleviate some of your concern. But yes, Trump would probably be selected by right-wing congress at that point

Positive Hillary polls are lies.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 18:42

Chilichimp: Oct 24, 2006; TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp; Grimey Drawer

BiggerBoat posted:

I was gonna post this this in USPOL but it moves too fast.

Take that map and flip NH to Trump. We get 268 - 268. What happens then? And why am I afraid that's exactly what's going to happen? That'd make 2000 seem like an episode of Sesame Street. Especially with a vacancy on the supreme court.

This much of our "great" nation is going to vote for a sycophantic moron in TYOOL 2016.

My company is Canadian. I've always wanted to move to a colder climate. Lets do this, America.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 19:31

Sephyr: Aug 28, 2012

Has there been any more noise from the Right on the 'voter fraud watchers' that are going to volunteer to make sure the filthy liberals don't try anything funny at the polls? This can go so wrong in so many ways. Driving off minority voters, causing actual fights when people get pissed at being challenged, and of course used to justify recounts and cheating narratives.

Can't wait to see how it'll go in open-carry states.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 19:38

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

edit: nm, it was fake.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 19:41

Mr Ice Cream Glove: Apr 22, 2007

https://twitter.com/rawstory/status/778647516959080449

Vice did an excellent 10 min video about the guy and his atrocious beliefs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkNQDOPjcdU

# ? Sep 21, 2016 20:09

BiggerBoat: Sep 26, 2007; Don't you tell me my business again.

Sephyr posted:

Has there been any more noise from the Right on the 'voter fraud watchers' that are going to volunteer to make sure the filthy liberals don't try anything funny at the polls? This can go so wrong in so many ways. Driving off minority voters, causing actual fights when people get pissed at being challenged, and of course used to justify recounts and cheating narratives.

Can't wait to see how it'll go in open-carry states.

I heard one of the RWM radio hosts talking about it yesterday but I forget which one. Oddly enough, I think it was Herman Cain. In fact, I'm almost positive.

EDIT: Also, I guess in the wake of the latest unprovoked shooting of an unarmed black citizen, it was time for another round of "gently caress Black People Who Don't Want to be Shot" so a caller was given an entire segment to poo poo all Black Lives Matter and equate their "Six Demands" to terrorism or something.

I need to go to their website and read these demands. Oddly, Rush nor the caller ever read them - at leat in the time I was listening

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Sep 21, 2016

# ? Sep 21, 2016 20:16

Beastie: Nov 3, 2006; They used to call me tricky-kid, I lived the life they wish they did.

Obama just told the UN that Israel can't keep occupying Palestine forever.

I suggest you all turn on your internet radios tomorrow.

I've already seen plenty of facebook comments where wingnuts claim he's violating his oath of office.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 21:41

Monaghan: Dec 29, 2006

I would hope that Obama would have just given Netanyahu a middle finger and then leave. Netanyahu deserves it for all the terrible poo poo that he's pulled, but what can you do.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 21:43

Crunch Buttsteak: Feb 26, 2007; You think reality is a circle of salt around my brain keeping witches out?

Mat Staver was recently on my home state's pride and joy, VCY America's Crosstalk, to talk about whether or not concerns over Hillary's health are legitimate. Talk about her pneumonia quickly went out the window, though, as most of the program was dedicated to wild speculation - "She said she was overheating, but then changed her explanation to pneumonia! Why the change, Hillary?!" and "She wore really thick glasses to the Benghazi hearing! That MUST mean she has blurred vision, which could indicate a serious nerve condition!"

I mean, nothing about the speculation was particularly new. The thing is, Mat Staver is the head of Liberty Counsel, a Christian "pro-family" legal group that got famous for defending Kim Davis. Why the hell did they bring him on to vomit up Breitbart talking points, of all people?

I really think this election is going to be the death knell for "establishment" anti-gay groups in America, regardless of the actual outcome. If Hillary wins, there's such little chance that they're going to accomplish any of their goals, they might just do what Mat Staver is currently doing, and become generic alt-right mouthpieces, instead of focusing specifically on gay people. If Trump wins, I think they'll be swept up into the "Parrot everything that Lord Trump says" media empire that will rise up in his wake. Either way they'll lose their identity, which they're already very tenuously holding onto after the Obergefell decision.

There will still be some holdouts, sure. But gone will be the days of the Family Research Council going on Fox News to talk about how children "need a mother and a father". Instead, we'll see the Family Research Council going on Fox News to talk about "black on black crime".

# ? Sep 21, 2016 22:26

Mr Ice Cream Glove: Apr 22, 2007

They probably hated this news today

https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/778604713210175488

# ? Sep 21, 2016 22:29

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Crunch Buttsteak posted:

Mat Staver was recently on my home state's pride and joy, VCY America's Crosstalk, to talk about whether or not concerns over Hillary's health are legitimate. Talk about her pneumonia quickly went out the window, though, as most of the program was dedicated to wild speculation - "She said she was overheating, but then changed her explanation to pneumonia! Why the change, Hillary?!" and "She wore really thick glasses to the Benghazi hearing! That MUST mean she has blurred vision, which could indicate a serious nerve condition!"

I mean, nothing about the speculation was particularly new. The thing is, Mat Staver is the head of Liberty Counsel, a Christian "pro-family" legal group that got famous for defending Kim Davis. Why the hell did they bring him on to vomit up Breitbart talking points, of all people?

I really think this election is going to be the death knell for "establishment" anti-gay groups in America, regardless of the actual outcome. If Hillary wins, there's such little chance that they're going to accomplish any of their goals, they might just do what Mat Staver is currently doing, and become generic alt-right mouthpieces, instead of focusing specifically on gay people. If Trump wins, I think they'll be swept up into the "Parrot everything that Lord Trump says" media empire that will rise up in his wake. Either way they'll lose their identity, which they're already very tenuously holding onto after the Obergefell decision.

There will still be some holdouts, sure. But gone will be the days of the Family Research Council going on Fox News to talk about how children "need a mother and a father". Instead, we'll see the Family Research Council going on Fox News to talk about "black on black crime".

this. the social right is pretty much dead. the establishment only gives it lipservece at this point. the alt right "could" replace them and take their positions too, but who knows.

# ? Sep 21, 2016 23:11