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Dr Pepper posted:Man I forgot just how dark this game gets. It does get into "Hurray! Not quite everyone is dead!" territory a few times.
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After quite a bit of headache with constant Whack spells, I've managed to secure a Mimic Heart. My party is safe to continue on the journey with nobody getting redundant vocation experience. I wanted to get more hearts from the Lucky Panel game but whenever one comes up that I don't have I never win. It'd be awesome to get, like, the Well Wisher Heart... maybe tomorrow, after the next place.
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Sep 22, 2016 01:59
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i'm absolutely terrible at lucky panel, i think i've only won once.
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Sep 22, 2016 02:05
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Pick the five panels on the bottom row to start- if you can reveal the shuffle card and mark down the rest, you have pretty good odds. Just use a pen & paper or a spreadsheet or something, I made 156k off Lucky Panel and won 14 monster hearts.
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Sep 22, 2016 02:19
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All the DQ7 talk got me to dust off my copy of DQ4 DS I've been playing on and off the last few months. The ways the Psaro fight encourages you to swap party members around to keep your buffs up is neat for a final boss fight. Also every turn he wastes with that disrupting light nonsense is another where Alena and Ragnar give him the pain. 
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Sep 22, 2016 02:27
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Dr Pepper posted:Man I forgot just how dark this game gets. I could never forget the village where everyone gets turned to stone, the one survivor goes out on a quest to find a cure, and many years later when he succeeds, he realizes the statues have eroded too much for them to be saved. And the best/worst part was that he knows that if he had the presence of mind to move the statues into shelter before setting out they could have been cured no problem.
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Sep 22, 2016 03:20
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In my lust for portable JRPGs I ended up buying DQ7. Right off the bat I noticed a few things.. is it just me or are the menus really sluggish/have some input lag, and does the very first area (outside of your house) have some crazy frame rate dips? I worry that these things will annoy me in the long run, or perhaps I'll just get used to it  Also, I've never played a single Dragon Quest game before so some of the menu stuff has me stumped (and the manual isn't much help): - What is the bag used for? I'm guessing character inventory is limited and it's used as extra storage? Can you use items from the bag or is it simply storage? - What do you use Examine for? I know in older games they often had an Examine option instead of just pressing A in front of an object, but pressing A seems to be a thing in this game (This one might be answered once I actually get to my first battle, but eh) - What's Tactics for? The manual makes it sound like auto-battle. Is it for grinding or is your party AI controlled?
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Sep 22, 2016 03:22
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First thing you need to understand is that a lot of poo poo in DQ is there for tradition's sake. Like the sound effects have almost barely ever changed all the way from the beginning of the series, and yes, the 'Examine' function is another artifact of that time period that remains for that sense of nostalgia despite the fact that you can just press 'A'. Yep, limited individual inventories are a thing, and the bag is for all the stuff you don't need right now. The game is pretty good about auto-sorting stuff for you when individual inventories get too full, so it's not a big deal IMO. 'Tactics' is something you can do to let the AI handle fights for your party members. Most people will never deal with it and give commands themselves the entire game. Again, a product of nostalgia retaining a function that doesn't really need to be there.
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Sep 22, 2016 03:26
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I like having the option of letting the AI handle the other characters for easy battles.
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Sep 22, 2016 03:28
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To answer your questions - Each character has a limited inventory for equipment and other items. The bag is unlimited space, but nothing in it can be used in battle. - Examine's basically there because part of the series is deliberate throw backs to NES RPGs. It does the same thing as pressing A. - It's AI party member control yes. You can set it for everyone but the Hero.
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Sep 22, 2016 03:32
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Also once you have party members, be sure to use party chat (press b) a lot. They usually have commentary for a lot of things, including townspeople, dungeon floors, and story events.
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Sep 22, 2016 03:34
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Yeah, since Kiefer just hits stuff there's literally no reason not to just have him on Show No Mercy so he can spam Flame Slash. Same with Ruff, at least so far.
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Sep 22, 2016 03:34
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elf help book posted:I like having the option of letting the AI handle the other characters for easy battles. It was mandatory for me not losing my mind while grinding jobs in DQVI on the ocean floor because of that weird bug (feature?) that the ocean didnt have a level cap for job growth
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Sep 22, 2016 03:36
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Pureauthor posted:First thing you need to understand is that a lot of poo poo in DQ is there for tradition's sake. Thanks everyone, that's what I figured 
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Sep 22, 2016 03:38
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One thing to note about the bag is you can't use items in battle if theyre in the bag, so managing what healing items you have available is pretty important when exploring dungeons and stuff. be careful out there.
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Sep 22, 2016 03:41
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Do you ever get more party members in 7 besides ruff? Because I feel like I am decently through and ain't got no one.
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Sep 22, 2016 03:48
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CharlestheHammer posted:Do you ever get more party members in 7 besides ruff? Because I feel like I am decently through and ain't got no one. Yeah, there are two more.
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Sep 22, 2016 03:49
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When do you get them I am at 35 hours.
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Sep 22, 2016 03:49
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One quirk of the A.I in DQ games is that it picks its action the moment its turn comes up rather then at the start of the round like the player does. This means that an A.I party member set to heal can "cheat" and cure damage done on the same round.
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Sep 22, 2016 03:55
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CharlestheHammer posted:When do you get them I am at 35 hours. You can get one after getting the moon and requires a little quest and the last one comes out of the blue right before the last couple of islands.
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Sep 22, 2016 03:58
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CharlestheHammer posted:When do you get them I am at 35 hours. You'll get your next party member once an island with a certain old musician has been cleared and you return to the present. It's a little tricky to do but you should do it.
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Sep 22, 2016 03:58
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I love the new Streetpass and Download Bar content that was added to the game, I kind of over-leveled myself from the beginning because of the Treasure Hunt tablet though. I went into the world and saw an enemy that wasn't in the original game, got a critical hit from the first attack and then boom, gained 9 levels. Looks like I won't have to worry about grinding until after I am able to switch classes. It is really great being able to play DQ VII on 3DS. I don't have the time anymore to play a long game as I did 15 years ago, and the episodic nature of the islands and quick save function makes it easy to play for the short time I am able to each day.
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Sep 22, 2016 04:57
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CharlestheHammer posted:Do you ever get more party members in 7 besides ruff? Because I feel like I am decently through and ain't got no one. You really aren't very far into the game at all probably.
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Sep 22, 2016 05:51
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YggiDee posted:Pick the five panels on the bottom row to start- if you can reveal the shuffle card and mark down the rest, you have pretty good odds. Just use a pen & paper or a spreadsheet or something, I made 156k off Lucky Panel and won 14 monster hearts. Yeah, lucky panel is so good it totally trivializes money. I had a full set of gear, much better than anything available in stores, and 80k gold at level 20. Another little tip, the gear in the modern day lucky panel is different than the one in the past.
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Sep 22, 2016 07:22
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Is there really a point to spells in DQVII? Looks like some abilities do roughly the same amount of damage for no MP-cost, so you can just spam them instead while spellcasters run out and become wimpy stick-hitters. EDIT: Also, do you automatically bump into the monster meadows-guy later in the main quest, or is it some side-guy I've managed to miss? I've done the not-egypt island and gotten a ton of monsters to "join" the meadows, but can't see them anywhere there and the old dude just says we don't have a caretaker. DQVII didn't really seem to hit the spot for me but I remember liking 9 quite a lot, so I dusted it up on the old DS. Looks like the online functionality is gone now, and at least 64 quests are only for people who log into the online-thing that doesn't exist anymore. Found an action replay-code that gives all the extra quests, but that broke the game for me (can't talk to some NPCs anymore, so I can't continue the main quest). Bleh. 
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Sep 22, 2016 11:12
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CharlestheHammer posted:Do you ever get more party members in 7 besides ruff? Because I feel like I am decently through and ain't got no one. It's important to keep in mind that the sixth party member is a replacement for Maribel, who leaves you out of nowhere after one of the last few islands. You'll get the option to pick your final party later though Thread, I have a confession. As much as I dislike the original, I kinda wanna get this remake and see a hopefully good version of 7
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Sep 22, 2016 11:23
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I thought Maribel would be a permanent member so I fed all of my wisdom / mana / speed seeds to her. Whoops. I don't suppose the game refunds those somehow?
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Sep 22, 2016 11:29
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She's not gone forever and she's still the best mage, it's just a rude surprise
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Sep 22, 2016 11:33
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Hitting a goddamn brick wall with Cumulus vex (HellCloud) and his friggin vaccum-vortex that hits everyone for 80-110 damage and how there's no pattern or rhyme or reason to his attacks: the first time I fought him he didn't use it until well into the fight, but the second time it was the first thing he did, how is that fair? And sometimes he uses it back to back and there's no way to recover from that. I guess I'd better grind.
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Sep 22, 2016 17:15
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Monster "A.I" in DQ games is really simple. There's a list of the actions they can take and a percentage chance they'll do it each turn.
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Sep 22, 2016 17:26
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Am I doing something wrong with Monster Meadows? I have the Monster Munchies in my hero's inventory, a monster will sometimes do the thing where it gives you the option to tell them about Monster Meadows and I do, and then... they just don't show up there. I just finished the past version of Greenthumb Garden, do I just need to get further in the main quest?
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Sep 22, 2016 18:25
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Am I doing something wrong with Monster Meadows? I have the Monster Munchies in my hero's inventory, a monster will sometimes do the thing where it gives you the option to tell them about Monster Meadows and I do, and then... they just don't show up there. I just finished the past version of Greenthumb Garden, do I just need to get further in the main quest? There'll be a point where you can access Monster Meadows by simply walking to it on the overworld. You can technically already see where it'll be on the world map, even though the island isn't there yet. Once that happens, you can start making use of it. You're still some ways off from that point, so just enjoy the buildup you're creating.
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Sep 22, 2016 18:29
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Ah, so do they just have it open early so you can activate Street Pass? That seems poorly thought out.
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Sep 22, 2016 18:33
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the original monster park didn't unlock until very late in the game. i think they just clumsily brought part of it forward so you can get a head start on taming some critters before it officially unlocks.
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Sep 22, 2016 18:39
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Does DQ4 ever pick up? I'm in Chapter 3 and this game is dragging. I feel like I should have gotten DQ5 instead.
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Sep 22, 2016 18:52
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Yes but if you don't like chapter three you're going to hate chapter four.
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Sep 22, 2016 19:56
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Bigass Moth posted:Yes but if you don't like chapter three you're going to hate chapter four. I dunno, Chapter 3 is my least favourite of the chapters. Getting the money can be a slog if you don't know all the tricks to do it.
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EightFlyingCars posted:Does DQ4 ever pick up? I'm in Chapter 3 and this game is dragging. I feel like I should have gotten DQ5 instead. Chapter 3 is my least favorite chapter but if you didn't like Chapter 2, you should quit now and move to DQ5 or DQ7. It was a NES game. It's a little primitive compared to what came after. How are you playing it? It's better on phone due to getting to hear the characters talk with party chat.
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Sep 22, 2016 20:43
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Party chat is nice, but it's definitely better on DS because of buttons and battery life.
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I don't know if I'd have the motivation to keep going with all silent protagonists.
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