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Bonnono posted:Doesn't passing a Mantle usually involve dying? At least when it comes to the Summer and Winter courts. The previous Summer Knight died but afterwards Lily was able to just name Fix as the Summer Knight so there is some way to just pass along the Mantle if it gets divested of the Knight and a Halloween loophole seems pretty open for Harry losing the mantle without dying eventually.
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ImpAtom posted:I actually wonder if it wouldn't be Michael. Then he'd be protecting his daughter, Michael is perhaps the one person who the Winter Knight mantle would have a hard time corruption, he's already been a knight and shown his worth, and yet there's just enough there for it to be a serious risk and for Harry to loathe himself for it in traditional Harry fashion. Oh man, Charity would KILL him!
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Vicissitude posted:Murphy, you think? She's the first one that comes to mind. The big thing is that Mab doesn't have time to train someone else to take hold of the power, so whoever it is, they've got to be someone who can throw down. Someone who's in the know. Someone that isn't an idiot. And if that someone is someone that Harry knows, then Mab still has her hooks in Harry I think there are three choices for Winter Knight: Murphy, Thomas, and Michael. Thomas is probably out for obvious reasons. A few years ago, Michael never would have done it... but now, most of his kids are grown and out of the house. Would Michael become the Winter Knight for Molly's sake? He seems to think Harry can use the power without being corrupted. Why not him? That leaves... Murphy. Becoming a Fae Knight would give her a bump in power. And it would mean that getting older would no longer be a problem for her, not for a long time. She could fight the good fight. She could pursue a relationship with Harry. I think her personality would suit Winter just fine. Of course, there is one other person who knows how to fight and is well-motivated to protect Molly. Charity could become the Winter Knight, or take up Michael's sword. She would do anything for Molly.
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AllTerrineVehicle posted:And honestly to be fair to GRRM, dance with dragons is 100k words longer than skin game and cold days combined, while being significantly more intricate. I would be surprised if Winds of Winter wasn't longer than those two + aeronauts windlass as well. Be that as it may you are aware that the only last novel we'll ever get will be the novelization of the show's last season, right? Does GRRM have any sons that can pair up with Kevin J Anderson after he dies? Write a few prequels, didn't you want to know more about Valyria and the terrible war against the AI? And I'm sure there is enough material for a few sequels. MeLKoR fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Sep 21, 2016 |
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Bonnono posted:Doesn't passing a Mantle usually involve dying? At least when it comes to the Summer and Winter courts. At the end of Cold Days, Kringle is talking to Harry about mantles, and I think he is implying that the Winter Knight's mantle might not be a permanent thing. Google Books is hiding the page, but googling for a partial quote: quote:"It was Halloween, Dresden. You put on a mask for a time. That's all." He looked directly at me and said, "Many, many mantles are worn-or discarded-on Halloween night, wizard."
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Sep 21, 2016 03:06
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Murphy will be the Winter Knight and Butters will be the new Knight of the Cross.
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Murphy is the best candidate. Murphy is, at this point, mid forties and the ONLY mortal player still in the game. She needs a power up to keep up or the character will quickly become boring and sidelined. Skin Game made a pretty big point of just HOW mortal Murphy is and that it rubs her poorly. She's seething with anger at her current lot in life. Seriously, she's perfectly set up for a tragic fall. She's either going to be the next Knight or take up a coin under the guise of The Greater Good.
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Mortanis posted:Murphy is the best candidate. Or both, in sequence.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Or both, in sequence. As a cliffhanger.
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Sep 21, 2016 03:54
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Just as Harry picks up the Blackstaff.
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And Kincaid ends up as the Winter Knight when Harry sheds the mantle.
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:She's the first one that comes to mind. The big thing is that Mab doesn't have time to train someone else to take hold of the power, so whoever it is, they've got to be someone who can throw down. Someone who's in the know. Someone that isn't an idiot. While I love the other possibilities, this one is actually flat out stated as a possibility by Mab as a backup if Harry hadn't taken it or had died. It would have taken some work on her end, but I don't think too much. I am looking forward to more from the White Council though, goddamn. I want to see what the Merlin can really do when he cuts loose.
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MeLKoR posted:Be that as it may you are aware that the only last novel we'll ever get will be the novelization of the show's last season, right? I had a Wildcards gang tag for years, all hope has long since fled my body 
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seaborgium posted:While I love the other possibilities, this one is actually flat out stated as a possibility by Mab as a backup if Harry hadn't taken it or had died. It would have taken some work on her end, but I don't think too much. Yeah, that's why he makes the cut. But with his current motivations and goals, I don't think Thomas would pick up the mantle. And I don't think Mab would want to do it, because she knows it would bring her into conflict with Harry, who is a useful tool to her. And Thomas doesn't need the power boost to remain relevant. But I do think Thomas becomes the Winter Knight in Mirror Mirror land. No White Council interaction was my biggest disappointment with Skin Game. Just imagine the roller coaster of emotions going through the Merlin regarding Harry Dresden, from book 10 to present. Imagine what it is going to be like when Harry shows up for a chat. "I'm the new Winter Knight, besties with Mab." "What?" "And I killed the entire Red Court." "What?" "Yeah, all of them. Then I died, but I got better." "What?" "And I've become the Warden of a God prison." "What?" "And my former Warlock apprentice is the new Winter Lady." Whereupon Merlin's head roars off of his shoulders like a Coke and Mentos bottle rocket powered by blood. 
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:I think it's been confirmed that the Mirror Mirror decision was from book 3, and for that reason, I think the decision is that Harry tells Susan he loves her, or even proposes to her. I think Harry invites Susan to the ball instead of Michael. She is protected as an invited guest, so Harry doesn't kickstart the war, so the Red Court gets to fully prepare and launch a surprise attack, so the White Council gets pasted and Harry ends up in a position where he has to do some dark poo poo to survive. Then you have that whole thing where once you bend it's easier to bend in the future and down he goes down the road of good intentions. I like this way better than "Our Harry is the evil Harry" because "Harry is upset about his choices and the things he has done" isn't anything out of the ordinary for Harry. I don't think that learning that things could have gone better if he made different choices will really gently caress him up because he already knows that. I think he'd be way more hosed up by the realization of just how close he came to stepping onto the really dark path and that the first step on that path was something so innocuous.
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Drifter posted:If you want less alpha poo poo relationship stuff the Kate Daniels series by Ilona Andrews is better - I mean, it's still there, but its' a lot better. I think Andrews wrote the better series, even. I just read the most recent book in this series and I can recommend it. Yeah, it's hot lady kick-rear end magic-user Mary-Sue and her Alpha-Shifter, but it doesn't get into squicky were-loving (much), the magic is cool and non-bog standard, and the over-arcing mythology is interesting enough to make the weak points worth overlooking.
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If you read the Word of Jim it's pretty clear that Mirror Mirror Harry is the evil Harry because he mentions that Mavra will probably be in that book and that Mirror Mirror Harry and Mavra are in a position to be fast friends
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Grimson posted:If you read the Word of Jim That's probably the problem, because I've never bothered to register on his forums because of all of the  on there that would put these forums to shame.
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Wade Wilson posted:all of the This is in no way an exaggeration. I browse those forums primarily because you can find out about appearances well in advance of the email announcement, but HOLY poo poo are there some weirdos and pedants over there.
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Magres posted:I think that'd honestly just be depressing. Harry has hosed up but he tries his best and it'd be a lovely book to spend a few hundred pages rubbing his nose in all of the times he wasn't good enough (because he was put in a situation where it was completely impossible to be good enough). But perhaps because our Harry has been through worse hell, he's stronger for it. Maybe Good!Harry comes through to our side to seek help against something he's not prepared to take on, all because of the "better" decisions he made. "You mean mirror Harry is the good Harry?" "Well, yeah, but he's also a sheltered pansy." Mortanis posted:Murphy is the best candidate. Nonsense. Murphy is going to become a Valkyrie, like Sigrun Gard. Didn't everyone else pick up on this? Ornamented Death posted:This is in no way an exaggeration. I browse those forums primarily because you can find out about appearances well in advance of the email announcement, but HOLY poo poo are there some weirdos and pedants over there. Yep. Before I found this place, I was on there and holy drat do they have some dumn-DUMB fanwank.
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Blasphemeral posted:Yep. Before I found this place, I was on there and holy drat do they have some dumn-DUMB fanwank. I am now fascinated to know.
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Blasphemeral posted:Nonsense. Murphy is going to become a Valkyrie, like Sigrun Gard. I dunno. They seem kinda wizard-y and Murphy doesn't seem to have any talent. Can you even apply for that job? One reason I think she'd end up taking over the mantle is because it doesn't require any magic know how. Wizards in that position are an anomaly. Also, Mister becomes the new Cat Sith. Here kitty kitty.
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Murphy will become progressively more crippled book by book, until she legally changes her name to barbara in the last book and provides communications and logistics support from the literal bat-cave.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I am now fascinated to know. One of the big ones from when I was on there is that Mab is actually (and has been all along) Molly after time travel shenanigans. As in, not just that sentence, but an entire dissertation-level essay write-up. I don't know what new poo poo they're injecting into their arteries these days, I never look back.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I am now fascinated to know. Beware, lest the abyss gaze back unto you.
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Wade Wilson posted:That's probably the problem, because I've never bothered to register on his forums because of all of the i just searched the compiled word of jim page for "2016" and "Mirror Mirror" to catch up on anything recent
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Blasphemeral posted:One of the big ones from when I was on there is that Mab is actually (and has been all along) Molly after time travel shenanigans. As in, not just that sentence, but an entire dissertation-level essay write-up. I liked it back before White Night when the big theory was that Cowl and Kumori were future Harry and Molly. Or that the Gatekeeper was future-Harry. Or the Merlin was future-Harry. Or Mac was future-Harry. They had a thing for basically everyone being future-Harry time travelling. It was kinda fun. I uh, stopped reading when that one person poo poo up everything after Changes because Harry and Murphy kissed and it torpedoed their Harry/Molly hardcore shipping.
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Blasphemeral posted:One of the big ones from when I was on there is that Mab is actually (and has been all along) Molly after time travel shenanigans. As in, not just that sentence, but an entire dissertation-level essay write-up. This makes a surprising amount of sense, come to think of it. It's mentioned that the Winter and Summer Ladies are supposed to eventually become the Queens, and Mab acknowledges that she was human once.
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Zore posted:Or Mac was future-Harry.
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Call me a contrarian if you must, but I don't really care about any Word of Jim unless those words are contained in books about the wizard Harry Dresden with titles made out of puns. Cowl is Zombie Justin and I don't care what anyone else thinks.
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:I dunno. They seem kinda wizard-y and Murphy doesn't seem to have any talent. Can you even apply for that job?
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Up Circle posted:Murphy will become progressively more crippled book by book, until she legally changes her name to barbara in the last book and provides communications and logistics support from the literal bat-cave. Murphy's got to juice up because drat, everyone is aching to see it happen. Murphy fading into the background now would be incredibly disappointing, especially if she's fridged. Wanna see her suplex a ghoul out of a window. She might have actually been OK with dying sometime before Changes, but after the past few years, I can't see her going gently into that good night. She's too pissed off. I wouldn't be surprised if she ends up getting hurt or faltering in a fight, and making a bargain or accepting a power right then or soon after. Harry will sulk about it, she'll yell at him for being a hypocrite, and then he'll brood about it some more. Zore posted:I liked it back before White Night when the big theory was that Cowl and Kumori were future Harry and Molly. Or that the Gatekeeper was future-Harry. Or the Merlin was future-Harry. Or Mac was future-Harry. They had a thing for basically everyone being future-Harry time travelling. It was kinda fun. I kind of think that the first one could be true, or that Cowl/Kumori could be Mirror Mirror Harry and Molly. There are some little things that just stick out at me which make it seem plausible. Mars4523 posted:Gard extended her an offer back in Aftermath. Also, she was apparently just some random Geat lady prior to becoming a Valkyrie, so I'm guessing that vanilla human Murphy would also be able to do the job. Well, hell. If she goes that route, maybe someone will do something crazy like give her an old hammer he happens to have laying around. NerdyMcNerdNerd fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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Cowl doesn't seem familiar enough with Harry Dresden in their first encounter to really make me think he could be Harry Dresden.
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I think it's enough that we can have antagonists that mirror or echo our protagonists without them being literally, alternate-reality versions of the protagonists. I mean, the former is a staple of fiction across all genres.
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Mars4523 posted:Gard extended her an offer back in Aftermath. Also, she was apparently just some random Geat lady prior to becoming a Valkyrie, so I'm guessing that vanilla human Murphy would also be able to do the job. Yeah, the magic she seems to do is mostly either a boost to the normal abilities a human would have, and runic stuff that anyone could do if they knew how to write the runes properly.
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This comes up a lot but honestly, when I asked Jim at Comicon a couple years ago he said Murphy doesn't need any power ups to be a badass (this was just after Skin Game came out, my question was directly: "Does Murphy need a power-up to stay relevant?") and he sounded completely genuine when he said it, no hint-hint'ing (and he loves to hint-hint about poo poo.) I'm gonna take the man at his word until he shows I'm a hapless sucker, anyway. Murphy seemed pretty freaked out by the whole 'possessed by angels' thing at Chichen-Itza and I don't think she's in a big hurry to mainline magic power again. Though I do think it'd be incredibly cool if her and Papa Murphy hooked up for some cop/ghost-cop shenanigans. Valkyrie is about the only thing I can see her going for, and even that's a long stretch.
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Murphy upgrades to a mecha exoskeleton, because the novels are taking place in roughly realtime and we'll have them by the time Jim finishes.
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