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Oiled and Ready posted:Yeah but cam newtons babyman actions are about him being a sore loser with thin skin, afaik he hasnt done anything related to any of this stuff besides "be black, be disliked by racists" So if cam were white he'd be Donald trump
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Sep 22, 2016 21:04
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Sinteres posted:I wonder whose justice department would be more likely to try to prevent people from dying in the streets. Protest is 100% about optics, so playing the "lol optics" card is silly. that's  wrt to being concerned about optics im arguing/mocking for priorities
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Sep 22, 2016 21:04
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Schnorkles posted:https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/779033209032019969 I like as many Walker eating supposed BBQ with gloves on as the next guy, but how the hell is Iowa deciding national candidates again? Its completely ridicilous that it has any clout at all.
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Sep 22, 2016 21:05
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HappyHippo posted:Is this walkout a thing or is just baseless speculation? Speculation, mostly, I believe. There's been some questions about the security at the game and whether or not to hold it or move it. I haven't heard anything about the team protesting or anything.
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Sep 22, 2016 21:06
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STAC Goat posted:I think treating Trump as a conventional Republican only goes to the "solidifying the base" argument, which I think is kind of a distraction. Republican turnout will be important for Trump but most of that 45% was always going to vote for Trump no matter what they said six months ago. I think the bigger roadblock for Hillary is Democratic turnout and left leaning independents, and if she was running against someone like Pence or Cruz there probably wouldn't be these idiots like Jimmy Dore saying things like "its better if we let Trump destroy the Republican party and then have a revolution in four years!" Because the Pence/Cruz Republicanism would be more defined and in line with the party so the "us vs them" would be more clear. I don't know about that but I do think that Clinton has to turn out more of these Johnson + Stein holdouts, since she characteristically fares better in the head-to-heads. How she will alter her messaging is anybody's guess but all this prior outreach to so-called "rational" Republicans is kind of a joke, they're going to fall in line and vote R regardless.
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Sep 22, 2016 21:07
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Shageletic posted:I like as many Walker eating supposed BBQ with gloves on as the next guy, but how the hell is Iowa deciding national candidates again? Its completely ridicilous that it has any clout at all. Because our electoral system, much like our governmental system, has a real loving problem in clinging to bullshit because ~tradition.~ Same reason some stupid loving patch of nowhere in New Hampshire has the media invading a town of like 12 people and they have everyone in town up at midnight to be the first to vote every election. FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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Sep 22, 2016 21:06
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STAC Goat posted:Speculation, mostly, I believe. There's been some questions about the security at the game and whether or not to hold it or move it. I haven't heard anything about the team protesting or anything. I saw something about moving the game but the team walking out seems unlikely
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Sep 22, 2016 21:07
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Fullhouse posted:not only this, they play in Charlotte i don't pay much attention to football, but this was a cool piece on black qbs i read a while back https://thinkprogress.org/then-and-now-cam-newton-and-the-ongoing-plight-of-the-black-quarterback-c04802c34c1b#.19bksfgon Oiled and Ready posted:It's a dogwhistle that actually means "democrat president and democrat congressional majority", there is no such thing as a discussion as a nation, merely laws that will satisfy the type of people who say "we need to have a dialogue in this country about x" actually, no it literally means being able to talk about it in public, on the news, etc without having to deal with dumbasses talking about ALL LIVES MATTER on national goddamn television
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Sep 22, 2016 21:08
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HappyHippo posted:Is this walkout a thing or is just baseless speculation? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/09/22/panthers-monitoring-charlotte-protests-ahead-of-sundays-game/ who knows  would be great if they did tho
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Sep 22, 2016 21:07
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iospace posted:He has a non-0 amount of black support right now, usually anywhere from 5-8%. Like all black people willing to sell out their own people for a quick people, deep down he thinks he's really white.
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Sep 22, 2016 21:08
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exquisite tea posted:I don't know about that but I do think that Clinton has to turn out more of these Johnson + Stein holdouts, since she characteristically fares better in the head-to-heads. How she will alter her messaging is anybody's guess but all this prior outreach to so-called "rational" Republicans is kind of a joke, they're going to fall in line and vote R regardless. Third party polling is always massively higher than actual turnout, so I think this is not actually going to be a big problem. I also expect her numbers to go up after the debates and generally just as the election draws closer. It's all still abstract for a lot of people.
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Sep 22, 2016 21:08
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Epic High Five posted:Mizzou did this last year. A literal fecal swastika broke the metaphorical camel's back and the football team refused to play until the current extremely condoning of racist attacks on black students administration was gutted. Black people are finally finding out that their bargaining chip card against casual/soft racists is football. It doesn't work against hardcore/alt-right racists though because they either don't watch sports or only watch hockey.
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STAC Goat posted:I think treating Trump as a conventional Republican only goes to the "solidifying the base" argument, which I think is kind of a distraction. Republican turnout will be important for Trump but most of that 45% was always going to vote for Trump no matter what they said six months ago. I think the bigger roadblock for Hillary is Democratic turnout and left leaning independents, and if she was running against someone like Pence or Cruz there probably wouldn't be these idiots like Jimmy Dore saying things like "its better if we let Trump destroy the Republican party and then have a revolution in four years!" Because the Pence/Cruz Republicanism would be more defined and in line with the party so the "us vs them" would be more clear. Oh those left-leaning Jimmy Dore idiots would be there no matter what, because their whole identity is wrapped up in being kooky and extreme and emphatic instead of knowing what the gently caress is going on. No party tries to appeal to them because they're worthless and toxic as gently caress. The best you can do is to dunk on them so hard that they stop using their platform to do damage, which is what Seder tried to do. Thiel would be a fine SCOTUS judge? Gaddafi did nothing wrong? absolutely! Whatever needs to be said to keep their crusader complex going White Grievance Politics isn't just a conservative thing.
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Sep 22, 2016 21:09
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Fullhouse posted:not only this, they play in Charlotte Yeah racists having problems with black QBs isn't new but Cam Newton really gets under their skin because he has fun while also being a good QB.
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Sep 22, 2016 21:11
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HappyHippo posted:Is this walkout a thing or is just baseless speculation? i'm just speculating, but yes there is concern about safety at the game michael jordan is now out with some solidarity via the hornets http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/09/22...ef:nbcnews:text
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Sep 22, 2016 21:11
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Epic High Five posted:Oh those left-leaning Jimmy Dore idiots would be there no matter what, because their whole identity is wrapped up in being kooky and extreme and emphatic instead of knowing what the gently caress is going on. You had me up until "white grievance politics." What?
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Sep 22, 2016 21:12
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Lastgirl posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/09/22/panthers-monitoring-charlotte-protests-ahead-of-sundays-game/ where's the part about the players walking out?
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Sep 22, 2016 21:13
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Remember when Beyonce performed for Barack and Michelle's first dance as President/First Lady? Who do we all recommend perform for Donald and Melania if they have a first dance? I recommend Killing Joke.
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STAC Goat posted:I think treating Trump as a conventional Republican only goes to the "solidifying the base" argument, which I think is kind of a distraction. this is the part that I think you're wrong about. being treated as a conventional republican matters for basically the whole swath of voters who might consider voting republican. it makes the difference between "trump did this, that's really shocking, even if you feel like supporting a republican you can't support him" and whatever he does being lumped into "the republicans and the democrats are at it again!"
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Lastgirl posted:that's I think we're all so sick of the election that it stops registering how much more important it is than anything else just because it will have a massive impact on everything else. Trump wants stop and frisk for the whole country, which would definitely lead to worse relations between police and the black community, and presumably more bodies in the streets. Making things better is of course important, but preventing them from getting worse is important too. Democrats have objectively hemorrhaged white voters over the last seven years, and white people are still the vast majority of the electorate. Maybe it's stupid to worry about a walkout being the deciding factor in the election, but I think the net effect of BLM has pretty clearly been to make Donald Trump more likely to be President (even if it's just because tons of whites were always closet racists). It's a worthwhile cause, but it's obviously also been a deliberately confrontational and divisive one at times as well. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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Sep 22, 2016 21:14
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Shageletic posted:Like all black people willing to sell out their own people for a quick people, deep down he thinks he's really white. Steve King is white.
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Sep 22, 2016 21:13
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WampaLord posted:I also expect her numbers to go up after the debates and generally just as the election draws closer. It's all still abstract for a lot of people. We'll see what happens in a week. I'm having a hard time imagining how Clinton will fare better after the debates. All Trump has to do to break even, like literally the only thing in the eyes of the media and the American public, is say "Benghazi" and "emails" after every question. You can say that's pessimistic, but search your heart of hearts, and you know it to be true.
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Sep 22, 2016 21:14
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fart blood posted:Remember when Beyonce performed for Barack and Michelle's first dance as President/First Lady? That Trump rapper because he's a cheap fucker
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exquisite tea posted:I don't know about that but I do think that Clinton has to turn out more of these Johnson + Stein holdouts, since she characteristically fares better in the head-to-heads. How she will alter her messaging is anybody's guess but all this prior outreach to so-called "rational" Republicans is kind of a joke, they're going to fall in line and vote R regardless. Yeah, that's mostly what I mean. I'm hopeful there's a non-significant portion of Republicans who will actually stand on principle and not vote for Trump, but I suspect even if they do exist they'll be cancelled out by whatever "outsider" or "racist" Democrats or Independents Trump draws in. Most Republicans will just vote Republican and always probably were gonna. Hillary's problem is enthusiasm/turnout and this Johnson/Stein "alternative." People like Dore who are pushing this idea that its a smarter move to reject Hillary and "neo liberalism" and embrace accelerationism or some weird "we'll just run out the next few years" idea. I have no idea how serious that is or if its just the usual fringes screaming louder because of the weirdness of this election but if she loses I believe it will be because of the Democrats and Liberals who stay home or vote 3rd party. And in my mind that just wouldn't be in play if Ted Cruz was the guy up there because we wouldn't have all these weird "the Republican party is being destroyed" or "we can play them against each other" angles. But I'm totally willing to put out there that I think I might be fighting back a nervous breakdown and panic as the possibility of a Trump presidency nears closer.
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Sep 22, 2016 21:14
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as goons argue, Trump gets a cheesesteak it's Geno's, I have no really hard opinions on the Philly steak scene except that I like Sonny's
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https://twitter.com/EliStokols/status/779051072971153409 Can you answer a simple question, you loving moron? e: Now that's what I call timing, eh?
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Sep 22, 2016 21:15
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fart blood posted:Remember when Beyonce performed for Barack and Michelle's first dance as President/First Lady? Anal oval office
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Sep 22, 2016 21:15
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Al! posted:Floptics
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fart blood posted:Remember when Beyonce performed for Barack and Michelle's first dance as President/First Lady? Meatloaf
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Sinteres posted:I think we're all so sick of the election that it stops registering how much more important it is than anything else just because it will have a massive impact on everything else. Trump wants stop and frisk for the whole country, which would definitely lead to worse relations between police and the black community, and presumably more bodies in the streets. Making things better is of course important, but preventing them from getting worse is important too. Democrats have objectively hemorrhaged black voters over the last seven years, and white people are still the vast majority of the electorate. Maybe it's stupid to worry about a walkout being the deciding factor in the election, but I think the net effect of BLM has pretty clearly been to make Donald Trump more likely to be President (even if it's just because tons of whites were always closet racists). It's a worthwhile cause, but it's obviously also been a deliberately confrontational and divisive one at times as well. uh has this actually been shown?
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Sep 22, 2016 21:15
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Jewel Repetition posted:You had me up until "white grievance politics." What? Basically the tenancy of people to lose their poo poo whenever somebody wants to make it about anything other than economics. It's not a coincidence that the people who do this overwhelmingly are white and comfortable. The fringe left reacts very poorly whenever anybody wants to make it about race, and if you don't get generic platitudes about rising tides and if they feel like you're focusing on non-white person issues too much you'll start running into hostility. It's not as far as the right takes it of course, if only because they're only a half step away from making killing people a national sport, but the demographic splits as you move further and further left aren't a coincidence
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Sep 22, 2016 21:16
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Anal oval office 
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Sep 22, 2016 21:16
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Karl Sharks posted:uh has this actually been shown? I meant white voters, my bad.
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Sep 22, 2016 21:16
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iospace posted:https://twitter.com/EliStokols/status/779051072971153409 no no you don't get it this is his debate prep defending himself from allegations of filling up his water cup with soda will be excellent practice when hillary brings up trump U
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Sep 22, 2016 21:17
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fart blood posted:Who do we all recommend perform for Donald and ftfy
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Sep 22, 2016 21:17
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exquisite tea posted:We'll see what happens in a week. I'm having a hard time imagining how Clinton will fare better after the debates. All Trump has to do to break even, like literally the only thing in the eyes of the media and the American public, is say "Benghazi" and "emails" after every question. You can say that's pessimistic, but search your heart of hearts, and you know it to be true. No, my heart of hearts isn't a loving Eeyore like yours is. I think seeing Clinton lay out her policies and seeing Trump flail at stringing sentences together will win over a lot of these Johnson/Stein holdouts.
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Sep 22, 2016 21:17
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iospace posted:https://twitter.com/EliStokols/status/779051072971153409 He's expanding his debate prep to include eating other cuts of beef
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fart blood posted:Remember when Beyonce performed for Barack and Michelle's first dance as President/First Lady? Wayne Newton.
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