Let's Go to the Pokemon Thready Thread

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Eddie Whitson: Nov 2, 2010

Space T Rex posted:

Just came across this, what is it from and is it canon?

This is like unmasking Rey Mysterio

# ? Sep 22, 2016 18:17

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# ? May 10, 2024 12:06

Aerdan: Apr 14, 2012; Not Dennis NEDry

http://garfemon.tumblr.com/

(sorry not sorry)

# ? Sep 22, 2016 18:19

The Lord of Hats: Aug 22, 2010; Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?

Aerdan posted:

http://garfemon.tumblr.com/

(sorry not sorry)

Why would you possibly feel the need to apologize for introducing us to this marvel.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 18:22

Dunban: Jul 4, 2012; OH MY GOD GLOVER

Chill Penguin posted:

Eviolite Lickitung's time to shine :P

E: Lickitung can learn Dream Eater and Nightmare(via XD tutor) but no sleep-inducing moves...?

Lickitung learns Nightmare because it looks like one

# ? Sep 22, 2016 18:29

Tired Moritz: Mar 25, 2012; wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

_{_{(n o i c e)}}

Dunban posted:

Lickitung learns Nightmare because it looks like one

stop projecting, nerd!!

# ? Sep 22, 2016 18:32

Ruggington: Apr 21, 2012

Chill Penguin posted:

It's Golduck's time to shine

at the very beginning of the current meta and during mega ray's short tenure in ubers people ran scarf golduck because it could ohko both mega rayquaza and primal groudon

they very quickly stopped

# ? Sep 22, 2016 18:36

Improbable Lobster: Jan 6, 2012; What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.; Buglord

Space T Rex posted:

They in particular are a must because they have super good abilities and the best (pretty much only) way to beat Groudon's ability is Kyogre, and the best way to beat Kyogre's is...Groudon. So a lot of teams actually run both which basically just is gamefreak giving everyone the middle finger and saying "everyone must build their teams around this poo poo now and pick 4 pokemon instead of 6"

As for how to construct a team, it depends. If your'e just playing for fun just make the best team you can with your favorite dudes, make sure you have answers for as much as you can. Popular megas, weather, stall teams, trick room, etc. Nothing will counter everything.

If you want to get really competitive you have to build your team based on the whole meta. So instead of "what do I want", now its "what is everyone else playing and what works best against those teams"? In that case it depends on the meta whether ability/typing/moveset is most important to consider first. In my opinion ability and moveset are almost always more important than typing though. Mostly moveset unless the ability is really synergistic to the team.

If you just wanna play, yeah hack them. Everyone does. If your'e an idiot like me make like 6 boxes of completely IV'd mons the old fashioned way for fun because for some reason that's a a good way to pass the time in your stupid idiot head, like me.

Oh but cybertron and a lot of the other guys either make/hack their own teams for tournaments. For their videos they often use borrowed teams or donated pokemon from fans.

Thank god Hyper Training is going to fix IVs so there won't be any excuses for hackmon

# ? Sep 22, 2016 18:43

Countblanc: Apr 20, 2005; _{Help a hero out!}

Re: that guy asking about competitive play, check out Reverend's YouTube videos. I'm at work so someone else has to link them, but he does a good job being entertaining while actually explaining why he does what he does.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 18:45

Pentaro: May 5, 2013

Countblanc posted:

Re: that guy asking about competitive play, check out Reverend's YouTube videos. I'm at work so someone else has to link them, but he does a good job being entertaining while actually explaining why he does what he does.

Gotcha! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7FG51Kyls8

e: drat forum autotags!

# ? Sep 22, 2016 18:51

DACK FAYDEN: Feb 25, 2013; Bear Witness

Improbable Lobster posted:

Thank god Hyper Training is going to fix IVs so there won't be any excuses for hackmon

I mean, if bottlecaps are as rare as they could easily be...

# ? Sep 22, 2016 18:55

Emong: May 31, 2011; perpair to be annihilated

DACK FAYDEN posted:

I mean, if bottlecaps are as rare as they could easily be...

Use them to make a 6iv ditto and make breeding trivial?

# ? Sep 22, 2016 19:34

Cicadas!: Oct 27, 2010

Emong posted:

Use them to make a 6iv ditto and make breeding trivial?

Oh poo poo, I hadn't even thought of that. That's probably the best use of your free golden cap right there.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 19:43

DACK FAYDEN: Feb 25, 2013; Bear Witness

Emong posted:

Use them to make a 6iv ditto and make breeding trivial?

I'm not actually up on gen 6-7 breeding mechanics. Can you do better than Destiny Knot on 6IV Ditto + Everstone on right-natured parent and iterate a few times to get parents with better IVs as they come up? That's still not trivial, right?

# ? Sep 22, 2016 19:47

Space T Rex: Sep 15, 2007; Your title was so old it used HTML which isn't even allowed in titles anymore what the hell

With a 6 IV ditto you can take a guy from 0 IVs to 6, plus fully ev trained and leveled to 50 in about two-two and a half hours depending on your breeding luck. So depends on what you call trivial.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 19:50

Zoran: Aug 19, 2008; I lost to you once, monster. I shall not lose again! Die now, that our future can live!

It will probably be faster to breed mons with great IVs than it will be to earn the requisite number of caps. They'll mostly be useful for legendaries and Ditto.

DACK FAYDEN posted:

I'm not actually up on gen 6-7 breeding mechanics. Can you do better than Destiny Knot on 6IV Ditto + Everstone on right-natured parent and iterate a few times to get parents with better IVs as they come up?

To answer this first question, no, that is the best available method at the moment.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 20:05

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

Space T Rex posted:

With a 6 IV ditto you can take a guy from 0 IVs to 6, plus fully ev trained and leveled to 50 in about two-two and a half hours depending on your breeding luck. So depends on what you call trivial.

I assume you mean a 5IV child (with the right 5), not 6. 6 IVs is literally 32 times less likely than 5IV.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 20:05

DACK FAYDEN: Feb 25, 2013; Bear Witness

Space T Rex posted:

With a 6 IV ditto you can take a guy from 0 IVs to 6, plus fully ev trained and leveled to 50 in about two-two and a half hours depending on your breeding luck. So depends on what you call trivial.

Right, it's not awful - although I haven't looked into using Super Training at all to get EVs, so I assume that's where the rest of the timesaving is coming from - but I wouldn't say trivial.

e: and yeah, it's "got 5 from the Ditto", not "got 5 from the ditto and rolled a 31 on the 6th" (Hidden Power will present issues!)

# ? Sep 22, 2016 20:05

Space T Rex: Sep 15, 2007; Your title was so old it used HTML which isn't even allowed in titles anymore what the hell

cheetah7071 posted:

I assume you mean a 5IV child (with the right 5), not 6. 6 IVs is literally 32 times less likely than 5IV.

Oh yes, that.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 20:07

The Golden Gael: Nov 12, 2011

Haven't checked back through the thread if this has been mentioned or not, but Corocoro more or less confirmed Megas returning. A line mentions that Jangmo'o's Soundproof ability shields it from Sylveon and Mega-Gardevoir's Pixilate Hyper Voice.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 20:09

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

DACK FAYDEN posted:

Right, it's not awful - although I haven't looked into using Super Training at all to get EVs, so I assume that's where the rest of the timesaving is coming from - but I wouldn't say trivial.

e: and yeah, it's "got 5 from the Ditto", not "got 5 from the ditto and rolled a 31 on the 6th" (Hidden Power will present issues!)

Super Training isn't the best way to get EVs. You're much better off fighting hordes. With pokerus and the approriate power item, you get 50 EVs every minute or so with horde training.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 20:09

Zoran: Aug 19, 2008; I lost to you once, monster. I shall not lose again! Die now, that our future can live!

DACK FAYDEN posted:

Right, it's not awful - although I haven't looked into using Super Training at all to get EVs, so I assume that's where the rest of the timesaving is coming from - but I wouldn't say trivial.

e: and yeah, it's "got 5 from the Ditto", not "got 5 from the ditto and rolled a 31 on the 6th" (Hidden Power will present issues!)

Super Training turns out to be hideously inefficient compared to horde training, so it's best to only do it for the last few points on custom EV spreads. (For example, if you want 56 EVs in some stat, you fight a horde where each mon gives 1 IV while using Pok�rus and the appropriate Power Item for 50 total points, then do level 1 training for +4 and hit two small bags for +1 each.) EVs cap at 252 now, so you don't have to worry about going over to 255 and wasting three points.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 20:10

DACK FAYDEN: Feb 25, 2013; Bear Witness

Right, Sweet Scent forces hordes. That's WAY the gently caress easier.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 20:12

cheetah7071: Oct 20, 2010; honk honk; College Slice

Additionally, the exp share gives EVs to pokemon you don't deploy, so you don't even have to switch out.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 20:13

Golden Goat: Aug 2, 2012

Welp I beat the elite four & champion in X, here's the final team:
Pam - Mamoswine lv 68
Xavier - Xerneas lv 64
Grenda - Greninja lv 66
Manectric - Manny lv 67
Victreebel - Vicky lv 63
Diana - Durant lv 64 Died to Wikstrom's Probopass

Xavier single handedly took down the champion which was really unexpected.
Caught 33 pokemon and lost 19 of them. Highest cause of death was wild pokemon and me not paying attention.

Nuzlocke is dumb.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 20:23

Zuzie: Jun 30, 2005; I got this for a Ratatta on GTS.

Super training at least made EVs visible so you didn't have to preform all kinds of mental math while keeping track of them.

Has there been any word on if Super Training is returning to Sun and Moon? Or Horde Battles for that matter?

# ? Sep 22, 2016 20:24

Space T Rex: Sep 15, 2007; Your title was so old it used HTML which isn't even allowed in titles anymore what the hell

I don't count nuzlocke deaths to replacement pokemon your'e training up against wild pokemon to match the rest of your team. I also don't count deaths caused by things like arena trap, shadow tag. That's just bullshit.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 20:26

Zore: Sep 21, 2010; willfully illiterate, aggressively miserable sourpuss whose sole raison d�etre is to put other people down for liking the wrong things

Zuzie posted:

Super training at least made EVs visible so you didn't have to preform all kinds of mental math while keeping track of them.

Has there been any word on if Super Training is returning to Sun and Moon? Or Horde Battles for that matter?

Horde probably, Totem Guardians operate on similar mechanics and it'd be kinda weird to totally ditch them.

Ditto Super Training. Aime is back in a slightly expanded form so I hope they do the same for it.

The only thing I really want confirmed though is Wonder Trading. Goddamn will I be pissed if they remove the greatest feature of all time.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 20:28

Space T Rex: Sep 15, 2007; Your title was so old it used HTML which isn't even allowed in titles anymore what the hell

Why would they remove Lickitung and what does that have to do with wonder trading?

# ? Sep 22, 2016 20:29

Golden Goat: Aug 2, 2012

Space T Rex posted:

I don't count nuzlocke deaths to replacement pokemon your'e training up against wild pokemon to match the rest of your team. I also don't count deaths caused by things like arena trap, shadow tag. That's just bullshit.

Well to be fair only two of those were during training and I was more relieved to not have to train them anymore.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 20:30

qnqnx: Nov 14, 2010

Chill Penguin posted:

Eviolite Lickitung's time to shine :P

E: Lickitung can learn Dream Eater and Nightmare(via XD tutor) but no sleep-inducing moves...?

As a matter of fact, eviolite has been removed in S/M.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 21:30

Decus: Feb 24, 2013

Mega stones are also quarantined to the extra-dimensional battle arena, a special building only for battles that include megas.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 21:58

Ruggington: Apr 21, 2012

Golden Goat posted:

Welp I beat the elite four & champion in X, here's the final team:
Pam - Mamoswine lv 68
Xavier - Xerneas lv 64
Grenda - Greninja lv 66
Manectric - Manny lv 67
Victreebel - Vicky lv 63
Diana - Durant lv 64 Died to Wikstrom's Probopass

Xavier single handedly took down the champion which was really unexpected.

I mean yeah it's a xerneas

# ? Sep 22, 2016 22:24

Golden Goat: Aug 2, 2012

Ruggington posted:

I mean yeah it's a xerneas

I just didn't think he could moonblast his way to victory.

# ? Sep 22, 2016 22:26

mabels big day: Feb 25, 2012

Golden Goat posted:

Welp I beat the elite four & champion in X, here's the final team:
Pam - Mamoswine lv 68
Xavier - Xerneas lv 64
Grenda - Greninja lv 66
Manectric - Manny lv 67
Victreebel - Vicky lv 63
Diana - Durant lv 64 Died to Wikstrom's Probopass

Xavier single handedly took down the champion which was really unexpected.
Caught 33 pokemon and lost 19 of them. Highest cause of death was wild pokemon and me not paying attention.

Nuzlocke is dumb.

did you use the exp share?

# ? Sep 22, 2016 22:30