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chitoryu12 posted:When I've seen it from poor people, it's always been people who are stuck in minimum wage service jobs like as a waitress. The problem is they think that every job has a specific value and that jobs require mental complexity to actually be worth money. As the quote goes, "Americans see themselves not as poor, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." The goal is to get out of the jobs that they've been conditioned by society to view as worthless and only meant for lazy or stupid people ("Go to college or you'll be flipping burgers for the rest of your life!"), not to lift up the people who are in them. Absolutely agree. A big part of it is that people assume those who work in minimum wage jobs are teenagers. Personally, I think this is a hold-over from the Baby Boomer generation where a lot of the fast food jobs were held by teenagers. That's simply not true in 2016. The middle and upper classes (and even the lower class folks earning more than minimum wage) assume that just because someone is flipping burgers, or stocking shelves, or waiting tables, or cashiering at the store that they must be idiots. After I got laid off from my adjunct faculty position at the large state university I was working at (I taught costume design and stage makeup and theater history - totally useful classes...) I took a part-time job at Jo-Ann Fabrics. While I was cutting a woman's fabric for her, she said to her daughter "It's very important to stay in school so that you can get a very good job." It wasn't necessarily directed at me, she and her daughter were discussing doing her homework. But I handed the woman her fabric and said "I have a masters degree and I was laid off from University." And everyone stood up and clapped. But seriously, she just looked at me with such pity in her eyes and said that the economy was terrible.  Edit: Woah... picture big. Fixed that. Mouse Dresser has a new favorite as of 21:29 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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Practical Demon posted:I think a lot of the poorer people against raising wages are people making a bit above minimum wage, or who are at minimum but have support so they're doing okay enough that they don't care. They don't see an increase as a godsend to a lot of poor people, but as something that would mean paying more for goods and services for them. This results in "gently caress all of you, just get a better job" in their minds. A girl I'm friends with on Facebook posted some meme making GBS threads on Mcdonalds employees for wanting more money, because something something our troops. The woman works a Costco and makes over $20 an hour just walking around trying to get people to sign up for higher memberships. Yet, she feels that people working at Mcdonalds should shut up and be happy for what they have.
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"I am a man with many tattoos, all of which are ill-advised." "I don't know what a vagina is."
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Mouse Dresser posted:Absolutely agree. A big part of it is that people assume those who work in minimum wage jobs are teenagers. Personally, I think this is a hold-over from the Baby Boomer generation where a lot of the fast food jobs were held by teenagers. That's simply not true in 2016. The middle and upper classes (and even the lower class folks earning more than minimum wage) assume that just because someone is flipping burgers, or stocking shelves, or waiting tables, or cashiering at the store that they must be idiots. Jo-Ann's is a special kind of hell, and as someone in your field, I feel for you. I can't imagine working there before Halloween, and I'm glad I never had a show around that time when I had to buy from there.
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chitoryu12 posted:I will admit to not understanding vagina alchemy. Thanks for the band name!
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JT Smiley posted:A girl I'm friends with on Facebook posted some meme making GBS threads on Mcdonalds employees for wanting more money, because something something our troops. The woman works a Costco and makes over $20 an hour just walking around trying to get people to sign up for higher memberships. Yet, she feels that people working at Mcdonalds should shut up and be happy for what they have. The "our troops" one is always a riot because they forget how a huge part of a soldier's expenses is subsidized by the taxpayer. Soldiers get free housing, meals, healthcare, etc. It might not be the best, but their living expenses are typically much lower than a civilian. The same people also love to respond to that by pointing out how soldiers are "dying for our freedom" in return for those benefits, without realizing that about 2/3 of those soldiers serve in non-combat positions and are put in little to no danger from anyone but their fellow soldiers being assholes.
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JT Smiley posted:I don't get how you can be so brainwashed that you can argue against making more money. I see that so much from people who work lovely minimum wage jobs and think they're lucky to make the little that they do. Some of it is what people have already brought up with more money=better than, so if the burger flipper is now making almost as much or *gasp* as much as them it means they weren't as well off as they pretend. There's also the real fear that companies will throw tantrums and take it out on their employees by reducing hours/staffing.
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WrenP-Complete posted:
Red pilled at 14. (Current age 15) Also: edgelord.txt
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Hahahaha "Degeneracy Dildos" would be a great punk band name.
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HairyManling posted:Hahahaha "Degeneracy Dildos" would be a great punk band name. Or product name, frankly.
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Oh I just noticed his wotan1488 username. He's so precious.
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If it's egregious examples of self-defeating fiscal conservatism and the companies that enable it you want, I have the perfect sub for you: https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/ One of the few good subreddits, it's basically r/FellowKids for left-socialist anti-capitalism and it is the perfect combination of hilarious and soul-crushingly horrible.     
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Practical Demon posted:Jo-Ann's is a special kind of hell, and as someone in your field, I feel for you. I can't imagine working there before Halloween, and I'm glad I never had a show around that time when I had to buy from there. Halloween wasn't that bad, at least not around here. Christmas was the worst though. Ah well, I got a better job touring with a theater show. Coolness Averted posted:Some of it is what people have already brought up with more money=better than, so if the burger flipper is now making almost as much or *gasp* as much as them it means they weren't as well off as they pretend. There's also the real fear that companies will throw tantrums and take it out on their employees by reducing hours/staffing. A lot of the anti-wage increase comics I've seen focus on the idea that raising the wage will result in the company laying people off. So somehow this is the fault of the employees who got the raise, not the fault of the lovely company that refuses to lessen their CEO's bonus.   
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A bit of backstory: Mutual friend of mine posts about the latest unarmed black dude gets murdered, and red goes into the standard tizzy about how he didn't follow orders, etc. Gets beat down by me and the original poster. Evidently he's really mad that people called him a racist, because in a completely other post by the OP, about France and how they give away leftover food to homeless people:  I can't decide if I should ignore him, or mention how France's history on race isn't very good.
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For a business that must exploit its workforce with unlivable wages in order to make ends meet, it will slowly diminish to nothing if minimum wages are sufficiently raised. A company with a better business model will then take its place, and society as a whole will benefit in the long term. AGC
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Mouse Dresser posted:Halloween wasn't that bad, at least not around here. Christmas was the worst though. Ah well, I got a better job touring with a theater show. It's weird how people care more for corporations than actual people sometimes.
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Gaunab posted:It's weird how people care more for corporations than actual people sometimes. corporations are founded by brilliant american heroes that you should be thankful for as much as OUR TROOPS. They are all genius rich people like you would be too if you would just work a little harder. /sarcasm
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Gaunab posted:It's weird how people care more for corporations than actual people sometimes. Corporations are people, my friend. In fact, they're more than people since, by definition, they are a group of people. 
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MisterBibs posted:A bit of backstory: Misterbibs posted:"Now, I'm not saying all Mexicans are criminals, just that Mexicans commit more crimes than white people." A "friend"
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MisterBibs posted:A bit of backstory: IoSM: France.....can they be any more unAmerican?
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BobbyK posted:A "friend" I'm not ashamed to admit I used to be one of those "If you did nothing wrong the police won't arrest you" folks, but people's responses to seeing folks being murdered made me realize I didn't want to agree with those people anymore. v v
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Ruzihm posted:For a business that must exploit its workforce with unlivable wages in order to make ends meet, it will slowly diminish to nothing if minimum wages are sufficiently raised. A company with a better business model will then take its place, and society as a whole will benefit in the long term. AGC They're replacing their cashiers anyway with digital orders soooooooooooo. Everybody's going to get fired any way.
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StarMinstrel posted:They're replacing their cashiers anyway with digital orders soooooooooooo. Everybody's going to get fired any way. Dem robits took our jerbs!
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StarMinstrel posted:They're replacing their cashiers anyway with digital orders soooooooooooo. Everybody's going to get fired any way. Baby boomers will refuse to use the newfangled technology and by the time they die off millennials won't be competing with them for entry level jobs as much which will help mitigate layoffs.
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How about Barbako, the hair eating woman who cleaned her place by stacking things into massive piles? She made the mistake of posing nude in some other website (I believe to help illustrate diversity of different body types) and goons of course tore into her about her appearance.
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From a few pages ago, but: Those cute little tummies are edema from kwashiorkor or marasmus!
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   i think this guy may have raped a kid yo
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Danyull posted:And do you not know how tax brackets work????????? Mouse Dresser posted:A lot of the anti-wage increase comics I've seen focus on the idea that raising the wage will result in the company laying people off.
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So this is a guy I knew in high school talking about Charlotte.  I'll probably have many more having grown up in the south.
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Time isn't a circle, it's a line constantly doing loop de loops like a roller coaster. And just like a roller coaster it makes me want to throw up.
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I'm surprised anymore when I see a teenager working a fast food job. It's almost always adults.
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Tiggum posted:
Exactly! There is no Good Guy Corporation out there just wanting to hire folks to give them a job. Head to any corporate store (or hell, even a mom and pop place) and you'll see it almost chronically understaffed. Wal-Mart, which can certainly afford to hire more people, is horrifically understaffed. If the minimum wage is increased, places may choose to lay employees off/fire them. But that falls on the business itself, not on the people earning more. But realistically, places that have to pay their employees a higher minimum wage will just increase the cost of their goods. Fortune Magazine posted:
http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/rele....3-percent.html
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The Saddest Rhino posted:
jesus h christ  have you reported those posts on fb because this guy probably should be investigated
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Ignimbrite posted:jesus h christ red apparently has, and someone else said this guy tried to goad them into a similar argument recently and was REALLY into that whole "can 12 year old buddy consent" thing
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Jeff the Mediocre posted:So this is a guy I knew in high school talking about Charlotte. Social Fixer pseudonym on point.
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MisterBibs posted:I'm not ashamed to admit I used to be one of those "If you did nothing wrong the police won't arrest you" folks, but people's responses to seeing folks being murdered made me realize I didn't want to agree with those people anymore. v
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Aw yeah, that's the stuff... It's like a list of possible thread titles
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How can you rant about degeneracy at 20 years old, go outside and be a degenerate goddamnit Also I'm sure your nazi friends are very proud of your 100% Aryan heritage
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Blind Pineapple posted:Aw yeah, that's the stuff... It's like a list of possible thread titles This is one of those motherfuckers who spouts the fascist Police State spiel when it's a minority being uppity, but the minute a cop does anything untoward at a white person, well, they've stepped over the line, I have rights, you can't do this to good people. It's all over Reddit. One post, Unarmed Black Gunned down, well the thug should have listened. The other, Cop seizes $18k for pocket knife violation, fuckin pigs kill the cops no respect for rights how dare they. Disgusting.
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Xen Tricks posted:This is one of those motherfuckers who spouts the fascist Police State spiel when it's a minority being uppity, but the minute a cop does anything untoward at a white person, well, they've stepped over the line, I have rights, you can't do this to good people. Everyone wants a totalitarian regime that has the same belief system as they do.
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