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waitwhatno posted:Also, there is absolutely no way that the German population increased by 2 mio, even going by your numbers. Even superficial reading will reveal that I never claimed that the German population increased by 2 mio. I wrote that 2mio people came to Germany in 2015. These people, like Germans, can die or migrate further. quote:2 mio is a ridiculous number. It's the influx. I never claimed it to be the net increase. I am not sure why you get riled up about it. You are the one mixing up influx with net increase. And 2mio influx is what the Statistische Bundesamt claims. https://www.destatis.de/DE/PresseService/Presse/Pressemitteilungen/2016/03/PD16_105_12421.html Einbauschrank fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Sep 22, 2016 |
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Have you found a Death Note or something like that? Because I have a list of names, my dear friend...
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Cat Mattress posted:Well, you can take a look at the international organizations that France started to get an idea:
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Riso posted:Except that only works if the immigrants aren't pretty much exclusive young men fighting with the natives over the limited number of women. Women are not a resource.
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Ever heard of human resources?
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YF-23 posted:Women are not a resource. I'd reckon they'd have a different view.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/20/nicolas-sarkozy-says-immigrants-should-live-like-the-french/ Ah yes who could not remember the famous Gallic tribe of Sarkozii, whom Julius Caesar himself clashed with in his memoirs
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Point is that male refugees will only decrease the average birth rate per person even further because it reduces share of women by adding more men into the equation and German women are not suddenly going to want more children just because there are more men living in Germany. It should be noted though that, as women generally don't pick partners from a lower social group, that refugees are not making it a lot harder for German men to find a partner.
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YF-23 posted:Women are not a resource.
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You guys do know that one year of unbalanced influx which still included women/children isn't going to change gender imbalance in any noticeable way in a continent of 750 million right? The refugee flow has been two thirds women and children since late 2015. It was men because they thought family unification would be way easier then it is now. Since it isn't, rest are following. People here comparing decades of one child policy to this lmao Also you don't compete or fight over women you wierdos
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Grouchio posted:Merci Beaucoup. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Sep 23, 2016 |
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DarkCrawler posted:You guys do know that one year of unbalanced influx which still included women/children isn't going to change gender imbalance in any noticeable way in a continent of 750 million right? The refugee flow has been two thirds women and children since late 2015. It was men because they thought family unification would be way easier then it is now. Since it isn't, rest are following. *Which you maybe missed because you just lumped them in under "women and children". DarkCrawler posted:Also you don't compete or fight over women you wierdos
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A more relevant figure would then be the population of EU, where those who recieve asylum and their kids will no doubt be citizens of at some point and thus can travel freely if they REALLY can't find women in a whole country. Additionally, many of the men are already married, probably in higher propotion then the native population considering the cultures they come from, and will be able to bring their wives and daughters over in few years (the whole point in the initial rush of dudes). The whole "GENDER IMBALANCE" thing is a ludicrous manufactured "issue" that doesn't require much critical thinking to disprove. And you fight over women if you are a possessive weirdo. We aren't going to see mass knife fights on the street over ladies when you got loving Tinder. EDIT: Also nothing stops them (upon getting citizenship) from picking up a wife from back home or a refugee camp, not like arranged marriages are anything new in that part of the world DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 07:34 on Sep 23, 2016 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The refugees are not equally distributed across the continent, the 750 million figure is entirely irrelevant. In a country like Sweden (which is admittedly an outlier), the gender imbalance is as if not more acute than it is in China, among the younger parts of the population.* That might change I suppose if they either kick out a lot of young asylum seekers, or specifically pulls in a lot of young refugee girls to offset this. Or adjust their ages upward.
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I'm on your side crawler, in principle anyway, but did you just argue against demographic gender imbalance being a problem because Tinder?
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Cake Smashing Boob posted:Or adjust their ages upward.
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doverhog posted:I'm on your side crawler, in principle anyway, but did you just argue against demographic gender imbalance being a problem because Tinder?
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https://twitter.com/LondonerVince/status/779238517901758464 No scenario in which Le Pen does not make the second round - she always comes in first ahead of Sarko or second behind Juppé; Macron, PS, and the left generally are broken and hopeless.
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doverhog posted:I'm on your side crawler, in principle anyway, but did you just argue against demographic gender imbalance being a problem because Tinder? I was arguing against the fact that lack of a girlfriend would drive (non insane) people into violence and kidnappings or whatever in 21st century first world nation instead of them using the countless available ways to get a date until they find one that works for them.
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And the LR candidate also makes it to the 2nd turn in every case. So barring any special event, we'll know France's next president on 27th november? No wonder the LR primary is such a shitshow right now. What's really interesting is how many votes Le Pen will get in the 2nd turn, if it's going to be a crushing defeat like in 2002 or if she'll manage to break the glass ceiling.
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DarkCrawler posted:I was arguing against the fact that lack of a girlfriend would drive (non insane) people into violence and kidnappings or whatever in 21st century first world nation instead of them using the countless available ways to get a date until they find one that works for them. The perceived danger is that the dispossessed are more prone to extremism in any form. The number of people who can't get a date is growing all the time, for various reasons. Red pills, mgtowths, Isis, a lot of things can start to appeal to people under the wrong circumstances.
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Grouchio posted:Yeah something I've learned is that France somehow was more douchy than Britain in how it treated it's colonial 'subjects' That's debatable. All empires have committed atrocities, and I wouldn't discount Britain's organized famines, invention of concentration camps, and deliberate use of smallpox as a biological weapon, among other examples.
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doverhog posted:The perceived danger is that the dispossessed are more prone to extremism in any form. The number of people who can't get a date is growing all the time, for various reasons. Red pills, mgtowths, Isis, a lot of things can start to appeal to people under the wrong circumstances. Well yeah but those people would be insane ones and thus unlikely to find a healthy relationship anyway 
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Chicken and egg. We're, or I was at least, talking about demographics.
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doverhog posted:Chicken and egg. Well I was responding to other assertions too. Either way the demographic issue in this case does not exist in few years. A year-long imbalance in a tiny part of EU's population (which will be rectified in 5+ years) does not compare to a generation of state-and-culture imposed incentive to not have any female babies. DarkCrawler fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Sep 23, 2016 |
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Cake Smashing Boob posted:Or adjust their ages upward. never
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DarkCrawler posted:Well yeah but those people would be insane ones and thus unlikely to find a healthy relationship anyway Insanity is overrated. Excluding serious mental illnesses like BP, borderline or schizophrenia, most weirdos and deadbeats are the product of their environments and life circumstances. It takes a village to raise a barn or child or however that saying goes GABA ghoul fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Sep 23, 2016 |
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DarkCrawler posted:Well I was responding to other assertions too. Either way the demographic issue in this case does not exist in few years. A year-long imbalance does not compare to a generation of state-and-culture imposed incentive to not have any female babies. A Buttery Pastry posted:Like how a single year of asylum seekers increased the number of 14-21 year old boys in Sweden by about a seventh, which within that age group will result in a greater gender gap than that for any age group in China since the introduction of the one child policy. It's not even that close either, it's actually way more imbalanced, which alongside the threat of unemployment certainly lays the foundation for future instability.
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Nyandaber Z posted:And the LR candidate also makes it to the 2nd turn in every case. So barring any special event, we'll know France's next president on 27th november? No wonder the LR primary is such a shitshow right now. What's really interesting is how many votes Le Pen will get in the 2nd turn, if it's going to be a crushing defeat like in 2002 or if she'll manage to break the glass ceiling. I'm already investing in the cobblestone market. 
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What we need is a good war, preferably against the Germans, in order to reduce our growing male population.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:What we need is a good war, preferably against the Germans, in order to reduce our growing male population. Most Germans probably wouldn't show up to the war, so you gotta find a new target, sorry. Maybe Russia is up for it?
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waitwhatno posted:Most Germans probably wouldn't show up to the war, so you gotta find a new target, sorry. Maybe Russia is up for it? Let's invade Britain. We've got a tunnel now.
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Cat Mattress posted:Let's invade Britain. We've got a tunnel now. Is this the wrong moment to point out tunnels are easily collapsed?
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Whatever, I'm not picky. I'm just kinda hesitant towards attacking Russia because previous attempts have gone really wrong in the past.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:To quote myself earlier in the thread: Again this assumes that: None of their female relatives/wives/other female refugees never get to Sweden nor the relatives of older men They will solely stay in Sweden and won't go to abroad/elsewhere in EU in search of female company/wives They will only date in their own narrow age group forever 14-21 counts as a generation instead of an age group And yes, the imbalance in arriving asylum seekers' gender was a single year. One-child policy lasted for 35+ years. There is no comparison even if you believe the above things will happen.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:They need to adjust them quite a lot for that to actually smooth out the imbalance. There'd be an imbalance either way, Afghans or not.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Whatever, I'm not picky. I'm just kinda hesitant towards attacking Russia because previous attempts have gone really wrong in the past. You can't scorched earth drones.
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MiddleOne posted:You can't scorched earth drones. Using drones defeats the whole purpose of having a war to reduce the male population of Europe, man.
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Flowers For Algeria posted:Using drones defeats the whole purpose of having a war to reduce the male population of Europe, man. What if we tie men to the drones?
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MiddleOne posted:What if we tie men to the drones? Then you don't need the war.
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