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muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Speaking of lady authors, I'm reading N.K. Jemisin's The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms and its pretty good. Its an interesting setting with all the captive gods running around and the casual use of magic.

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fritz
Jul 26, 2003

Courtney Schaeffer posted the next installment of "Readers of the lost ARC", this time for the 90s : http://ladybusiness.dreamwidth.org/2016/09/19/readers-of-the-lost-arc-courtney-schafer-explores-the-1990s.html

There are a couple of 'gustibus non est' choices but overall it's pretty solid.

Groke
Jul 27, 2007
New Adventures In Mom Strength

fritz posted:

Courtney Schaeffer posted the next installment of "Readers of the lost ARC", this time for the 90s : http://ladybusiness.dreamwidth.org/2016/09/19/readers-of-the-lost-arc-courtney-schafer-explores-the-1990s.html

There are a couple of 'gustibus non est' choices but overall it's pretty solid.

That Greg Bear fantasy book is great, or at least I remember it being great when I read it back in the day.

cptn_dr
Sep 7, 2011

Seven for beauty that blossoms and dies


fritz posted:

Courtney Schaeffer posted the next installment of "Readers of the lost ARC", this time for the 90s : http://ladybusiness.dreamwidth.org/2016/09/19/readers-of-the-lost-arc-courtney-schafer-explores-the-1990s.html

There are a couple of 'gustibus non est' choices but overall it's pretty solid.

The Janny Wurts series sounds pretty interesting. I might see if I can track the first book down.

NinjaDebugger
Apr 22, 2008


cptn_dr posted:

The Janny Wurts series sounds pretty interesting. I might see if I can track the first book down.

I grabbed that, Star of the Guardians, and the first david sullivan book off barnes & noble for pretty cheap. I know Star of the Guardians is pretty worth it.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
I bought The Dark Forest the week it came out, then decided to leave it until Death's End. Read it last week, and wow, that was really good! And now I'm ignoring Death's End in favour of Revenger.

I should be more organised with my reading. For instance, I should actually read Janny Wurts, who I have heard a lot of praise for, instead of letting her sit under a pile of other books.

(Revenger is cool so far, the tech feels very clunky and old, but I don't seem to have encountered the plot just yet.)

THIS_IS_FINE
May 21, 2001

Slippery Tilde
Just finished Dark Matter by Blake Crouch and I can say that although I thought I had everything figured out within the first couple chapters, I was wrong about a lot of my speculation as I read on.

The book delves into a few philosophical ideas such as the multiverse theory and the meaning of personal identity without being too heavy-handed.

I went in completely blind and all in all it was very entertaining and at its root a love story.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


I really liked the last quarter or however much of the book when he really started to dig in to the stuff about how every time the main character travelled to another universe he continued to split into multiple choices. Usually books on this subject completely ignore that possibility.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
My copy of Revenger comes in this week.

My backlog grows.

Groke
Jul 27, 2007
New Adventures In Mom Strength
Argh, I've got both Revenger and Death's End lying there seductively on my Kindle, but I've started on Jerusalem by Alan Moore and that's going to take some time to finish.

Phummus
Aug 4, 2006

If I get ten spare bucks, it's going for a 30-pack of Schlitz.

muscles like this? posted:

Speaking of lady authors, I'm reading N.K. Jemisin's The Hundred Thousand Kingdoms and its pretty good. Its an interesting setting with all the captive gods running around and the casual use of magic.

I read this and its sequel. I started the third installment and it ended up being a skimming finish. The writing was fine, but the story itself just kind of went downhill for me. YMMV, but if any time you find yourself not liking it, you're fine putting it down. There's a 4th book in the omnibus, but I didn't bother.

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013

Drifter posted:

I'm currently reading a book called Mechanical Failure by Joe Zieja, since we're talking about comedy milsci space books, and it reads more like Idiocracy more than Hitchhiker's Guide or Pratchett, and it's actually pretty funny.

I'm a third of the way through and I'm looking forward to finishing it up tonight. Kinda lucky finding a fun, no-name author's work.

I finished that last weekend and thought it was pretty good too. It really reminded me of of Keith Laumer's Retief series.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Drifter posted:

I'm currently reading a book called Mechanical Failure by Joe Zieja, since we're talking about comedy milsci space books, and it reads more like Idiocracy more than Hitchhiker's Guide or Pratchett, and it's actually pretty funny.

I'm a third of the way through and I'm looking forward to finishing it up tonight. Kinda lucky finding a fun, no-name author's work.

FYI, it's currently $1.99 for the Kindle version. Not sure how long that will last.

thetechnoloser
Feb 11, 2003

Say hello to post-apocalyptic fun!
Grimey Drawer

Jesus gently caress stop. Holy poo poo.

occamsnailfile
Nov 4, 2007



zamtrios so lonely
Grimey Drawer

fritz posted:

Courtney Schaeffer posted the next installment of "Readers of the lost ARC", this time for the 90s : http://ladybusiness.dreamwidth.org/2016/09/19/readers-of-the-lost-arc-courtney-schafer-explores-the-1990s.html

There are a couple of 'gustibus non est' choices but overall it's pretty solid.

I had never heard of most of these, some of them don't sound to my taste but really I'm just annoyed at how much 'epic fantasy' poo poo like Sword of Truth and Wheel of Time dominated perception/conversation about fantasy for so long.

neongrey
Feb 28, 2007

Plaguing your posts with incidental music.
Lady Business is a good blog to keep an eye on if you're wanting to expand your reading of female writers; they cover a lot of them both new and old. A little fandom focused for a lot of SA's taste, but the way they organize the site you don't need to pollute your eyes with fanfic recs if you're against that sort of thing.

fritz
Jul 26, 2003

occamsnailfile posted:

I had never heard of most of these, some of them don't sound to my taste but really I'm just annoyed at how much 'epic fantasy' poo poo like Sword of Truth and Wheel of Time dominated perception/conversation about fantasy for so long.

There was so much good stuff that came out back then and then totally sank without a trace. Here's a few:

* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1550091.The_Sword_and_the_Lion
* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16649.The_Queen_s_Necklace
* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/317448.The_Well_Favored_Man
* https://www.goodreads.com/series/80029-nimnestl
* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/836592.Point_of_Hopes
* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/440961.The_Stars_Dispose

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


cptn_dr posted:

The Janny Wurts series sounds pretty interesting. I might see if I can track the first book down.

I only ever knew of Janny Wurts from the trilogy she co-authored with Feist (which I've only just now gotten around to reading after having it on my shelves for years). I'm liking it so far.

Neurosis
Jun 10, 2003
Fallen Rib

gently caress! Watts already had that horrible necrosis poo poo why does this need to happen?

occamsnailfile
Nov 4, 2007



zamtrios so lonely
Grimey Drawer

I love the Points series (Point of Hopes, listed above) and Melissa Scott has started doing some more after her partner died, though only one so far. I also really liked Armor of Light which is a historical fantasy set in Elizabethan England with fairly low-key supernatural elements.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


occamsnailfile posted:

I love the Points series (Point of Hopes, listed above) and Melissa Scott has started doing some more after her partner died, though only one so far. I also really liked Armor of Light which is a historical fantasy set in Elizabethan England with fairly low-key supernatural elements.

Melissa Scott owns in general, and I'm kind of baffled that I only heard about her, what, last year?

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer
New Craig Schaefer book next week! The Castle Doctrine

quote:

Out of prison and back on the streets, Daniel Faust returns home to a city on fire. The Chicago mob is making their play for control of Las Vegas, with an army of gunmen and a lethal shapeshifter on their side, while Daniel's friend Jennifer marshals the forces of the Vegas underworld. Staying on the sidelines isn't an option, especially when a Metro detective orders him to get the war under control -- and if he can't, he'll expose Daniel's secrets to the FBI.
It's a bad time for ghosts of the past to come calling, but Damien Ecko is on his way with a hit list and a legion of walking corpses. Marked for death by the courts of hell, the mad necromancer plans on making sure that everyone who framed him, Daniel first and foremost, dies along with him.
Hunted by the living and the dead, pushed to his limits, Daniel will have to be smarter, faster, and more ruthless than he's ever been. He'll need to call upon new, dark powers, and darker allies. His enemies thought they took everything he had. They couldn't take his hunger. When this war is over, Daniel Faust will rise like a phoenix...or go down in flames.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Ooh, that sounds nice.

StonecutterJoe
Mar 29, 2016

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

New Craig Schaefer book next week! The Castle Doctrine

If it's as good as White Gold Score was, I'll be in my happy space.

One thing I've liked about the series, and Schaefer finding his narrative voice, is how the main cast becomes seriously awful people. What I mean is, in the first couple of books there was a lot of people saying "Oh, that Faust, he's a real bad dude," but he didn't act all that differently from a dozen other UF heroes. Starting with Plain-Dealing Villain, he and the supporting cast has evolved into straight-up villain protagonists. Caitlin is terrifying, Jennifer's a hippie version of Tony Montana, and Faust will douse you in gasoline and start playing with a lighter if you get in his way. And somehow I still like them. (poo poo, White Gold Score was gleeful in how fast the heroes went from "There's a magical mystery to solve!" to "gently caress that! LET'S STEAL DRUGS! Whee!"

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf
Anyone who read it have an opinion on Anthony Ryan's new book? I really liked Blood Song, but found the next two in the series pretty disappointing.


Also, somewhere in this thread, The Red Queen's War was recommended, and I've been enjoying those recently.

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006

The Glumslinger posted:

Anyone who read it have an opinion on Anthony Ryan's new book? I really liked Blood Song, but found the next two in the series pretty disappointing.


I didn't get through the third one.

The new one is rather good. I can't tell you if he'll pull off the ending this time around, but surely he's loving learned from the shitstorm. I must admit, I am optimistic.

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

The Glumslinger posted:

Anyone who read it have an opinion on Anthony Ryan's new book? I really liked Blood Song, but found the next two in the series pretty disappointing.
Is Blood Song worth reading even if the next two are awful?

Also yeah Red Queens War is really fun read, glad you're enjoying it. You might want to try Prince of Thorns if you like it, it's a bit different but a parallel story.

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Xaris posted:

Is Blood Song worth reading even if the next two are awful?

Blood Song will function happily as a standalone, yeah.

Echeveria
Aug 26, 2014

Hi. I like books. I don't know why I haven't wandered in here before. I'm into Fantasy more than SF, but I'm gonna lurk for a bit.

Apraxin
Feb 22, 2006

General-Admiral

Megazver posted:

I didn't get through the third one.

The new one is rather good. I can't tell you if he'll pull off the ending this time around, but surely he's loving learned from the shitstorm. I must admit, I am optimistic.
Seconding, it was a fun read and was able to include some pretty grim events without seeming like it was suffering porn, like some of the stuff in the Blood Song follow-ups. There's one point close to the end where he kind of unnecessarily drags out a plot reveal, but otherwise it seemed much better plotted out as well.

Patrick Spens
Jul 21, 2006

"Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"
Pillbug

Echeveria posted:

Hi. I like books. I don't know why I haven't wandered in here before. I'm into Fantasy more than SF, but I'm gonna lurk for a bit.

Welcome friend, if you have any requests recommendations feel free to speak up.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

Echeveria posted:

Hi. I like books. I don't know why I haven't wandered in here before. I'm into Fantasy more than SF, but I'm gonna lurk for a bit.
Whattup, G? Books are great.

If you like or dislike something, don't hesitate to speak up. I get a lot of my dis/recommendations from this thread. It's always nice when somebody comes in with a name or title I've not heard of, or talks about something I've already read.

Some random, popular recc's I'd give range from Paksennarion to Discworld to Xanth (lol stay away from Piers Anthony, though, for serious) to the Book of the Dun Cow to Peter Beagle to Diane Duane to Le Guin over to Walter Moers' Zamonia to the Malazan Books of the Fallen to a billion others. drat, everytime I type one I remember a dozen more. Gotta stop.

When you're done lurking, have you got a couple books you remember as having particularly enjoyed?

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Echeveria posted:

Hi. I like books. I don't know why I haven't wandered in here before. I'm into Fantasy more than SF, but I'm gonna lurk for a bit.

Expect your backlog to grow ten-fold. Welcome.

Junkenstein
Oct 22, 2003

Any opinions on Death's End yet?

less laughter
May 7, 2012

Accelerock & Roll

Junkenstein posted:

Any opinions on Death's End yet?

angel opportunity posted:

Death's End (Book three in the Three Body Trilogy) just came out in English a few days ago and I've now finished the series.

My spoiler-free impressions of book 3:

I liked this book about as much as book 2, which is quite a bit more than I liked book 1. I do think book 2 was slightly better though. There were a number of things that happened in this story that you almost have to view through a surreal filter (similar to many things in book 2) or it can just make you groan.

Taking one look at the "timeline" in the front of the book, you're going to already get a sense of the time scales that are covered in this book. In book two, having Luo Ji constantly jumping through time via hibernation made sense, but in this one I didn't really buy Cheng Xin--and especially not 艾 AA as a sidekick--as protagonists. It makes sense in a narrative to just have the events of the book take place from a more "fixed" POV of someone from the "common era" (our time), and it worked for me in book 2 still. In book 3, the "common era" characters all over the place in important roles started to get to be a bit much for me. Book 3 and the whole trilogy still do a really nice job of doing the thing that a lot of good sci-fi books do, which is taking random physics ideas and building compelling narratives and mysteries around them.

I think "truly great" sci-fi leans much further toward the human experience, and probably focuses deeper on one single idea than this trilogy does, but the whole idea of the "Dark Forest" is a pretty cool answer to the Fermi Paradox. I think some of the implications toward the end of book three are bad for the characterization and the narrative though, and the end of the book starts to feel more like an appendix than an actual story you still care about. The structure of the story--which you'll notice right away from chapter headings--helps a bit to alleviate this problem and tie into the ending while also foreshadowing it, but it's not quite enough to me. I'd have preferred a more human emotion ending and less "......and here's some more cool ideas I thought of!" Some of the ideas toward the end of the book were actually cool enough to have a whole trilogy based on them, but they were just kind of tossed into the end here after I didn't really care any more about the characters.

I mentioned a lot of negative stuff but the whole trilogy is very good and 100% worth reading.

I actually really dug the idea that interstellar warfare is what broke down physics and caused the speed of light to be what it is, and also that it's the reason that there are only three spacial dimensions. The 4d stuff that happened was pretty cool, but I don't think the big climax of the whole solar system getting flattened to 2d-space was very good. It dragged on too long, and even though it was written well enough, it didn't have the weight it should have. I don't think the stuff with Yu Tianming and the fairytales really justified their space either. The last 70% of the story or so could probably have stood to be tigther and really do something to make me care more about Cheng Xin while hinting at the idea of the laws of physics being used as weapons rather than basically expo-dumping it via the galactic human and Trisolaran plot-device robot who just happen to have figured it all out off screen.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!

Junkenstein posted:

Any opinions on Death's End yet?

2/3 through right now. I'm enjoying it quite a bit.

WarLocke
Jun 6, 2004

You are being watched. :allears:

ToxicFrog posted:

Melissa Scott owns in general, and I'm kind of baffled that I only heard about her, what, last year?

Trouble and Her Friends is some classic cyberpunk. Melissa Scott is a good writer.

Stupid_Sexy_Flander
Mar 14, 2007

Is a man not entitled to the haw of his maw?
Grimey Drawer
Just finished up Immortal Remains by Sean Cummings. Was 99 cents at amazon.

IT's honestly a pretty good book. I was a bit surprised by how much I enjoyed it. I wasn't really expecting a lot for less than a buck, but it was a great read.

Basic plot is main character is a grim reaper kinda spirit who got booted out of the reaping business for loving up rather spectacularly, and he's been living in and among humans for a long time. He isn't a detective, he doesn't have very many amazing magical abilities and he doesn't fight vampires or werewolves (at least not in the first book). It's pretty heavy on the christian mythology, so if you get your panties in a knot because someone says there's a God and Angels and Demons, well this won't work well for you.

Something has started killing Angels, and he's basically been tasked by the big man to figure out why, and how to stop it, because otherwise it's apocalypse time.

Starts out a bit kinda meh but picks up. I'm definitely grabbing the next book in the series.

Skritch
Jul 12, 2000

Junkenstein posted:

Any opinions on Death's End yet?

I preferred the first two books to Death's End, but thought the ideas in it were inventive and consistent with what was revealed in The Dark Forest. Death's End had uneven pacing, and felt to me like the author had a bunch of pet ideas and scenes he didn't want to leave out of the book. There was a lot more telling versus showing than in the previous books, and some of the big reveals just landed matter-of-factly on the page. With a more fleshed-out set of characters reacting to them, i think they could have had more impact. Definitely a thought-provoking trilogy, though, and one that I would recommend.

As for the very end, as soon as the Returners gave their ultimatum, the first thing I thought of was: Coordination Problem. Collectively, everybody benefits by cooperating, but individually each civilization has an incentive to hold back. Cixin Liu didn't give an explanation as to why everybody cooperated to the degree they did, just told us that they cooperated. This contrasts with how he talks about human decision making throughout the trilogy: we focus on our own lifespans and don't think beyond, leading to overall mood changes for each time period. I think it would have been interesting to encounter how other civilizations differ, leading to the ending we got.

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bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
I am in absolute agreement that Death's End tosses so much poo poo against the wall. The book feels like a series of wildly different vignettes lending it a very inconsistent tone and pace. Not totally cohesive.

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