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gfsincere posted:I don't know what's dumber: Nobody believes either of that. However, if you can't understand the difference between "Here's some 40 year old rear end in a top hat spouting racist bullshit," and "Here's high school sophomore Susie Q who has spent all of her 15 years of life having her thoughts and opinions spoon fed by her parents," then you're just going to exacerbate the situation. Most kids in high school are still living in the little bubble world their parents created. Most kids starting college are stepping out of that bubble for the first time. We need to encourage kids to leave that bubble behind, not retreat into it like some safety blanket. Ruining some poor kid's life before they've really had the chance to live and think on their own without their parents to tell them what to think and feel is really counter productive and leads to bullshit like the alt-right and MRAs. You're punishing the child for the sins of their fathers. This is not a special case only for white people or white children. This is something that applies to everyone. Kids who have bad opinions don't know why they're bad. Kids who have good opinions don't know why they're good. They haven't had that lesson yet. And parents with lovely opinions will never teach that lesson to their kids. That's where we as a society have to step in. But, I am a teacher who teaches kids who come from a relatively sheltered culture, and try to expose them to the world at large. So perhaps my outlook on things is different than yours.
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Sep 23, 2016 06:37
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When I joined the Navy, they told a story early on in basic training, maybe it's true, maybe it's bullshit. A new group of recruits had come in, and the first time all the recruits had to take showers, a white recruit pointed at some of the black recruits, sorta laughed and said "where's your guys tails?" Thankfully the recruit Master-at-arms (in charge of keeping order and discipline, he was described as being square shaped) was there, he intervened and kept the white guy from getting his rear end beat on his first week of boot camp. Long story short, this kid grew up in the boonies and was raised by his grandmother who happened to be a racist old hag. But he didn't know this, it was his gran, and when she said that black people have tails he thought it was true. The point of the story was that people come from all over the place and have all sorts of weird backgrounds, if someone says something hosed up, take it up the chain and it'll get figured out.
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Sep 23, 2016 07:10
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Person on my Facebook, after weeks of complaining about Kaeperkneel starts posting poo poo about how black people need to stop rioting and just follow police orders.   I'm tired of arguing with people. Instead I've decided to start linking videos of police murdering people as a response to anyone who posts a lovely racist meme: Some of these might be graphic or  / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBBAYECSxVs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeoZkgjCHJ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzhSh0YBBwk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aALArJP4rw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs3Q-m3QFF4 If anybody has ones they think I should use then I'd appreciate a link to them. Also, if they're too gruesome to post here then you could PM them to me as well. I want to be able to show these people what's happening. ErIog fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Sep 23, 2016 |
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Sep 23, 2016 08:07
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Sep 23, 2016 08:43
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Yeah, I included that in my replies. me posted:Haha, you complain when they riot. You complain when they silently take a knee during the national anthem. Looks like you really just don't give a poo poo about police murdering people. Oh, here's another video: me posted:MLK was called a race hustler, a communist, and also accused of inciting violence while he was still alive:
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Sep 23, 2016 08:50
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Still got shot and killed.
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Sep 23, 2016 10:16
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Two of my co-workers are sitting across from me right now jerking each other off about how "Well actually, more white people get shot by cops than blacks." Welp, pack it up guys, racism is over. Two middle aged white guys working on a towboat have cracked the code.
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Sep 23, 2016 12:07
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That statistic is meaningless without considering what portion of the population at large belongs to that group of people. Surprise surprise- there are a bunch more white people than black.
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Sep 23, 2016 13:12
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JVNO posted:That statistic is meaningless without considering what portion of the population at large belongs to that group of people. Surprise surprise- there are a bunch more white people than black. Plus, I'm assuming the stats change if you take into account "why" they got shot. If you only look at cops shooting unarmed/nonthreatening/not actually committing a crime - people, the scales probably lean back towards African Americans. But no, a white person was once shot by the police, so racism is a myth. Check and mate.
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Sep 23, 2016 13:43
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the_steve posted:Two of my co-workers are sitting across from me right now jerking each other off about how "Well actually, more white people get shot by cops than blacks." I ate ten grains of rice and only one steak. Soooo much more rice, because it's not like there's any proportional difference between those two things!
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Sep 23, 2016 13:52
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Even assuming this guy isn't ranting about fluoride and chemtrails at a party...those stares are the correct reaction to a dumbass who thinks the Pentagon lost six times the annual budget of the entire loving United States government. Like the waste, fraud, and abuse is bad but not literally impossible amounts of money bad.
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Sep 23, 2016 14:14
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Twelve by Pies posted:"God helps those who help themselves" is another saying a lot of people think is in the bible but isn't. Ever since I was young I was bothered by the phrase because I didn't understand why God would only help those who don't need it. As I got older, it started sounding like God helps the selfish.
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Sep 23, 2016 14:14
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I think the spirit of the saying is supposed to be more like a cross between 'God works in mysterious ways' and the old joke where a guy prays to God to rescue him from a flood and God says "I sent you two boats and a helicopter. But you never got in." Maybe also a bit of the Temptation of Christ, where Satan says "lol throw yourself off a cliff god will send angels to save u." Prosperity Gospel, of course, ruins everything and now it means God will abandon you if you're poor.
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Sep 23, 2016 15:06
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Doctor Butts posted:Ever since I was young I was bothered by the phrase because I didn't understand why God would only help those who don't need it. As I got older, it started sounding like God helps the selfish. Yeah, the saying is less "God helps those who are already rich" and more "Be the change you want to see in the world" and/or "Stop praying for success, get up off your rear end, and go do something useful."
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Sep 23, 2016 15:25
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The girl in that picture is also looking kinda awkward, so it might have been something her teacher made her add.
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Sep 23, 2016 15:45
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Guavanaut posted:Prosperity Gospel, of course, ruins everything and now it means God will abandon you if you're poor. I've actually always heard it as if you're faithful then you'll be blessed with wealth etc. The flip side to that logic never really gets mentioned in polite company.
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Sep 23, 2016 15:46
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the_steve posted:Two of my co-workers are sitting across from me right now jerking each other off about how "Well actually, more white people get shot by cops than blacks." I used to hear conversations like this occasionally, when my department was literally 100% white. Then, we expanded, and the majority of the new hires were black women. Conversations like the one above don't happen anymore, for some reason. 
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Sep 23, 2016 15:55
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ChristopherRobin posted:I've actually always heard it as if you're faithful then you'll be blessed with wealth etc. The flip side to that logic never really gets mentioned in polite company.
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Sep 23, 2016 16:08
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VitalSigns posted:the Pentagon lost six times the annual budget of the entire loving United States government. US fed budget is something like high 3 trillions, but your point still stands. https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/budgetinfographic.pdf
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Sep 23, 2016 16:37
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VitalSigns posted:Even assuming this guy isn't ranting about fluoride and chemtrails at a party...those stares are the correct reaction to a dumbass who thinks the Pentagon lost six times the annual budget of the entire loving United States government. Pretty sure that figure was from over the decades that they literally have not been able to audit. http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/07/31/Pentagon-s-Sloppy-Bookkeeping-Means-65-Trillion-Can-t-Pass-Audit
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Sep 23, 2016 17:02
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By the same standard, I've probably lost hundreds of thousands of dollars over the last 20 years. Check my accounting books, no trace of where the money's gone. I guess as an adult I really ought to learn how to budget. 
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Sep 23, 2016 17:32
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Like Mitch Hedberg, we don't introduce receipts into our donut transactions. It's a little different with the military. Plus, haven't there been some pretty infamous incidents where they give billions to a contracting company, that money goes up in smoke, and there's no hospitals being built, or whatever? Being able to keep better track of where military money actually goes seems like a pretty good idea.
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Sep 23, 2016 18:17
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Found this at a truck stop in Oklahoma. Isn't this an old facebook forward? Hilariously stupid either way.
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Sep 23, 2016 18:36
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CowHammer posted:Found this at a truck stop in Oklahoma. Isn't this an old facebook forward? Hilariously stupid either way. Learned something new today, Veterans built the Vietnam Memorial. They didn't
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Sep 23, 2016 18:46
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CowHammer posted:Found this at a truck stop in Oklahoma. Isn't this an old facebook forward? Hilariously stupid either way. To be fair, the wall was built though mostly private donations. The government did grant the land.
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Sep 23, 2016 18:47
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Yeah, no they belong to the government via the National Parks Service.
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Sep 23, 2016 18:53
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Why yes, the people do own the National Park System. Now if only we had some sort of centralized authority who could maintain and protect the national parks for us, and some sort of system where we could elect the officials in charge of this authority in order to hold them accountable...
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Sep 23, 2016 18:56
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And if it weren't for the government, there'd be no names to go on it either, but they'd probably call me a hippy for saying that.
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Sep 23, 2016 18:58
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Why yes, the people do own the National Park System. Now if only we had some sort of centralized authority who could maintain and protect the national parks for us, and some sort of system where we could elect the officials in charge of this authority in order to hold them accountable... This always baffles me when I debate libertarians- as they almost always come back around to advocating for some kind of private citizens community organization to handle a lot of these issues, and I'm left screaming in silence, "WE ALREADY HAVE THAT! IT'S CALLED GOVERNMENT!"
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Sep 23, 2016 18:59
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JVNO posted:This always baffles me when I debate libertarians- as they almost always come back around to advocating for some kind of private citizens community organization to handle a lot of these issues, and I'm left screaming in silence, "WE ALREADY HAVE THAT! IT'S CALLED GOVERNMENT!" The Simpsons had this exact scene.
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Sep 23, 2016 19:06
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No, they want a private citizens community organization, where it's voluntary, so they can vote to keep the wrong sorts out. (tbf there are also libertarian-socialists who want local level community organizations where all property is owned in common, but they tend to be vastly outnumbered by the gently caress you libertarians.)
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Sep 23, 2016 19:11
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Joshmo posted:Like Mitch Hedberg, we don't introduce receipts into our donut transactions. It's a little different with the military. Plus, haven't there been some pretty infamous incidents where they give billions to a contracting company, that money goes up in smoke, and there's no hospitals being built, or whatever? Being able to keep better track of where military money actually goes seems like a pretty good idea. From what I've read, they say that probably a fair portion of that missing money isn't actually missing, it's just that when it was paid out was recorded as an expense by two separate people on different systems so they basically double billed themselves for it and thus at the end of the year they suddenly have a list of expenses that doesn't add up to what they were given be congress. Although the same article that mentioned that also said that plenty of money did go missing via contractors that, like you said, were given X money and then just disappeared or contracts that ended but the DoD kept paying them. There's apparently a massive backlog of contracts that still haven't been properly closed out because they just don't have enough people to process them. It's so bad that they changed the amount of money the contract had to involve to trigger a closing audit from like $5 million to $25 million just to reduce the load, so now any contract under $25 million dollars doesn't even get a double check at the end to make sure it was done.
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Sep 23, 2016 19:18
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Guavanaut posted:No, they want a private citizens community organization, where it's voluntary, so they can vote to keep the wrong sorts out. Their better argument is that there should be many localized organizations competing against each other instead of a single geographic monopoly. Still dumb, but that's the market approach.
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Sep 23, 2016 19:48
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Ron Jeremy posted:Their better argument is that there should be many localized organizations competing against each other instead of a single geographic monopoly. Still dumb, but that's the market approach. HAHA, but then you will need a larger organization to represent regions, and larger orgs to represent multiple regions. They really don't think this through, do they?
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Sep 23, 2016 20:49
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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And when there are major crises, you need extraordinary support. If all of your groups are local, they'll likely be affected and unable to help as effectively. So, every community would need the capacity to handle once in a hundred year disasters while affected by the disaster. Or you could maybe have a higher level organization that handles 1000 communities and resolves 10 disasters a year. Nah, that'd be crazy.
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Sep 23, 2016 20:58
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The basic premise of human greed in the free market will ensure that the welfare of the community at large is preserved over the individual. Right? RIGHT???!
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Sep 23, 2016 21:06
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Vargatron posted:The basic premise of human greed in the free market will ensure that the welfare of the community at large is preserved over the individual.
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Sep 23, 2016 21:16
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I've always wondered how a murder investigations would be handled in the libertarian utopia. Do you buy a special "in case of murder" insurance from the private police along with the standard coverage in case of crime? When some drunken teenagers kick a homeless guy to death. Who's paying a hundred thousand bucks to have CSI out there collecting cell samples and questioning witnesses?
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Zephyrine posted:I've always wondered how a murder investigations would be handled in the libertarian utopia. Do you buy a special "in case of murder" insurance from the private police along with the standard coverage in case of crime? It's always fun to re-read the New Yorker's "Libertarian Police Department" satire. http://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertarian-police-department
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