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So I'm thinking about trying the game out, I've never played before. If I'm coming from WoW, are there any similarities to help me get acquainted with how this game works?
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Sep 25, 2016 09:23
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This game has its low levels designed around the idea that the average player coming from a single player Final Fantasy, not another MMO. If anything, you'll find it handholds you too much. I wouldn't worry about not picking things up easily
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Sep 25, 2016 09:26
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Kingtheninja posted:So I'm thinking about trying the game out, I've never played before. If I'm coming from WoW, are there any similarities to help me get acquainted with how this game works? It's a weird, bad system that's a relic of 1.0 and the devs are slowly phasing it out. e: Also, the game starts out very slow. It's handholding you as part of Baby's First MMO. Stick with it, classes get very satisfying and tough at 50 and beyond, depending on the class.
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Sep 25, 2016 09:28
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join an FC and ask lots of questions 
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Sep 25, 2016 09:33
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hobbesmaster posted:I meant diabolos but that was 2.2? Regardless they thankfully have not done anything that bad since Just because Diabolos got a bad deal in a throwaway dungeon (which they've rightfully corrected), doesn't mean it's a bad fight! 
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Sep 25, 2016 09:43
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It was an ok dungeon. I liked the gremlins' debuff that could be cleansed with an emote.
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Sep 25, 2016 10:01
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Kingtheninja posted:So I'm thinking about trying the game out, I've never played before. If I'm coming from WoW, are there any similarities to help me get acquainted with how this game works? Sure. It's the same role trinity with an action bar interface and global cooldowns, there are parties (4 man) and raids (8 man for most), and leveling takes longer at higher levels. Dungeons and some raid bosses drop loot, alternate currency is important to character progression, and the glamour mechanic has some commonalities with the pre-Legion transmog system. The dev team's pretty good about listening to feedback, and both content and quality of life changes have been implemented over time. It's a polished product (even if there are some areas worth improving). What's different? -Holds your hand for the first ~20 levels -Longer GCD (2.5 baseline) -DPS is more responsible for success, both individually and group-wise -Most avoidable forms of damage are telegraphed (and should be avoided!) -Extremely alt friendly - all your classes can be available on one character -Crafting and gathering classes instead of profession skills -Housing -PvP is a side thing for fun and cosmetics - only recently have there been rankings -Gold Saucer, Triple Triad, Chocobo Training/Racing. Minigames! -Inventory is easier to manage with the armory system (though it gets clunky once you accumulate a lot of stuff) -FATEs (dynamic world quests) available from the start -Past a certain, accessible point, in-game money is more for cosmetics and secondary tasks than significant progression (with a few exceptions, e.g. crafting) -Quests and story progression. It really is a Final Fantasy game, and it generally works As said before, the game starts out slow in both combat and story, but it ramps up around 30. I think you'll find enough to feel moderately familiar, though it'll take a while for everything to settle. If you do play, get a RAF code and join a Goon FC (details in the OP). Folks are happy to help!
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Sep 25, 2016 11:01
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I regret missing out on the live Cactpot drawing last night. I bet people went nuts.
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Sep 25, 2016 13:34
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Kingtheninja posted:So I'm thinking about trying the game out, I've never played before. If I'm coming from WoW, are there any similarities to help me get acquainted with how this game works? I've been bored and reading the WoW patch and bitching threads since I used to play WoW before this and I was curious how Legion was turning out. Based on this I feel like it is important to mention that game balance in this game is pretty good. None of the roles have a wide enough performance discrepancy that you will have problems finding groups based on the job you chose. There are certainly some jobs that are better off than others, but I don't think I've seen, in the 3 years since the relaunch, a single instance of, "ugh don't grab that person, their *insert class here* is trash." Also, they are totally fine making changes to jobs for PvP balance that only affect classes in PvP. For example, there are some pretty beefy crowd control nerfs hitting black mages in the patch Tuesday for PvP that will have no effect at all on PvE. It's been ages since I did it myself but I found transitioning from WoW to this game to be mostly painless. Most of the basic gameplay mechanics are close enough to identical that large portions of your knowledge base are still applicable. The most glaring issue you will face immediately is that the 2.5 second global cooldown is going to feel like dogshit. It took me about 3 weeks to get over it, and as you get higher most classes will be so laden down with off-gcd abilities that it will feel frantic again, but it will still be molasses in the beginning when you've got nothing.
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Sep 25, 2016 14:00
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Yeah I could imagine trying to do WoWs current 18 button setup with a 2.5 GCD would suck. Good news is by the time you hit 60 you will have at least 32+ actions on your hotbars. Gathering and crafting classes own bones too, WoW could stand to steal ideas from that.
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Sep 25, 2016 14:08
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Vil posted:If you get one directly, you're weighing the option of selling for a fortune against the option of hassle-free relatively cheap melding for personal use. Standard opportunity cost argument here. I have a question: did they specifically say that Wondrous Tails gear wouldn't be market prohibited? Because poo poo like this is usually market prohibited, and I refuse to believe in a miracle unless they explicitly stated it.
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Sep 25, 2016 14:25
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they made a whole point out of stating that they were sellable on the market during the live letter
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Sep 25, 2016 14:32
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Leofish posted:I regret missing out on the live Cactpot drawing last night. I bet people went nuts. Had a buddy with 0000. He was devestated.
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Sep 25, 2016 14:33
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Brainamp posted:Had a buddy with 0000. He was devestated. I can only imagine this was the reaction. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMB-XiewSKw Yoship had the winning ticket.
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Sep 25, 2016 14:43
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Managed to get into a synced Garuda Extreme party last night, was hella fun. Fighting actually challenging bosses with the top-notch music and presentation in this game is pretty great. I just finished the Shiva part of the MSQ and I'm quite liking how the story is evolving at this point. Shouldn't be long before I can finally head to Ishgard!
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Sep 25, 2016 17:24
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hobbesmaster posted:I meant diabolos but that was 2.2? Regardless they thankfully have not done anything that bad since When Diabolos shows up as a boss in Void Ark Part 3 there will be 48 doors. You know it in your heart to be true.
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Sep 25, 2016 17:39
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 Well. I did the thing.
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Sep 25, 2016 17:47
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While Legion changes this somewhat, FF14 also has the advantage storywise of your character actually being a big loving deal who gets poo poo done, as opposed to the generic elite grunts who do the legwork then get kill stolen by Blizzard's self insert Gary Stu characters. It's kind of refreshing.
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Sep 25, 2016 17:51
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Tortolia posted:While Legion changes this somewhat, FF14 also has the advantage storywise of your character actually being a big loving deal who gets poo poo done, as opposed to the generic elite grunts who do the legwork then get kill stolen by Blizzard's self insert Gary Stu characters. It's kind of refreshing. Well even in Legion you're still not the super important protagonist, that's illidan, you're just the head of the factions. You've come full circle and now you're the NPCs for the NPC protagonists.
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Sep 25, 2016 17:53
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Well even in Legion you're still not the super important protagonist, that's illidan, you're just the head of the factions. You've come full circle and now you're the NPCs for the NPC protagonists. Can you force Illidan to rep grind?
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Sep 25, 2016 18:00
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Illidan's dead, baby. Or that's as far as I know anyway. I'm sure they bring him back to life or whatever, but I gave up caring because they put the last part of the main story behind a reputation grind. I said gently caress it and cancelled my sub without a second thought.
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Sep 25, 2016 18:10
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Speaking of story, we're still planning to run some cute newbies through Coil tonight. We've already got at least five people signed up, and there's always room for more. If you're on Excalibur and you're interested, stop by and say hi! The plan is to do this between 7 and 10 eastern, but we could go later.
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Sep 25, 2016 18:13
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Fister Roboto posted:Speaking of story, we're still planning to run some cute newbies through Coil tonight. We've already got at least five people signed up, and there's always room for more. If you're on Excalibur and you're interested, stop by and say hi! The plan is to do this between 7 and 10 eastern, but we could go later. Do you need more people with experience or are you just looking for new friends to run through
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Sep 25, 2016 18:20
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bonewitch posted:Do you need more people with experience or are you just looking for new friends to run through If there's enough interest then there's no reason multiple groups couldn't run. Just hop on if you're interested.
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Sep 25, 2016 18:36
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Thundarr posted:When Diabolos shows up as a boss in Void Ark Part 3 there will be 48 doors. You know it in your heart to be true. Nah. 72 
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Sep 25, 2016 18:37
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Mr. Nice! posted:If there's enough interest then there's no reason multiple groups couldn't run. Just hop on if you're interested. in that case, feel free to send me a tell at any point if you (or anybody else) need someone; I'm Amber Theisaunt in game
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Sep 25, 2016 18:45
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I spent a bunch of MGP I saved up on Setzer's jacket and Chocobo Barding. I'm traveling the realm in style now  Tortolia posted:While Legion changes this somewhat, FF14 also has the advantage storywise of your character actually being a big loving deal who gets poo poo done, as opposed to the generic elite grunts who do the legwork then get kill stolen by Blizzard's self insert Gary Stu characters. It's kind of refreshing. I love how by the Astral Era Quests your dude is basically The Man and everyone looks up to you, everyone knows you're the one to go to when you need to get poo poo done, small-time baddies are terrified to cross you, and you're always gonna be in the room when important decisions are being made. It's cool having a sense that your character is actually a big deal.
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Sep 25, 2016 18:50
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Augus posted:I spent a bunch of MGP I saved up on Setzer's jacket and Chocobo Barding. I'm traveling the realm in style now Yeah it makes the characters who don't respect you/fear you pop a bit more. Matoya's sassing you wouldn't be quite as refreshing if everyone else also treated you like a dirt farmer.
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Sep 25, 2016 18:57
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How many other MMOs with a notable story actually feature you as a side character? WoW is the one that keeps coming up, and FF11 from what I understand puts you as perpetual #2, but in every MMO I've played, protagonist has always been the most important figure in the story, which at this point is kind of boring and is forever a source of cognitive dissonance when you have no actual agency as "the most important person in the world".
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Sep 25, 2016 18:59
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Emalde posted:How many other MMOs with a notable story actually feature you as a side character? WoW is the one that keeps coming up, and FF11 from what I understand puts you as perpetual #2, but in every MMO I've played, protagonist has always been the most important figure in the story, which at this point is kind of boring and is forever a source of cognitive dissonance when you have no actual agency as "the most important person in the world". Better than having every important story kill stolen by the devs current favourite NPC.
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Sep 25, 2016 19:05
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Verranicus posted:Better than having every important story kill stolen by the devs current favourite NPC. gently caress you too estinien.
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Sep 25, 2016 19:06
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hobbesmaster posted:gently caress you too estinien. Lucky, the game vindicates this in Final Steps.
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Sep 25, 2016 19:10
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Kingtheninja posted:So I'm thinking about trying the game out, I've never played before. If I'm coming from WoW, are there any similarities to help me get acquainted with how this game works? Everyone hit on most of the big bullet points mechanically, but a few things I'd add: - It plays very much like a single player game while you're following the main story. There's not a ton of incentive to group (or really interact) with anyone until and unless the main story is pushing you into a dungeon. You're the main character and it never gives you a task you can't breeze through, nothing approaching the group quests that you (at least used to) get in WoW. - That's fine. The community is better than WoW, but it's still an MMO with an MMO community and there are tons of lovely people you will regret ever meeting. - While a lot of content is locked behind progress in the main story, there's also a lot of stuff that's totally optional that you don't have to sweat at all if you aren't feeling like it. For instance, I never unlocked chocobo stabling, racing, Lords of Verminion, the sightseeing log, a bunch of other stuff. It's a bit like how you didn't have to sweat pet battles and archaeology in WoW, but they were there if that's your kinda thing. - The market and crafting and gil are their own game. It's entirely possible to play the game without money really having any value for you at all. You can make a ton of it crafting and piss it all away playing dress-up and decking out your house, or you can buy the latest whatever when one crafted piece of gear or another is raid competitive, but it's also possible to ignore money and make more than you'll ever spend on teleports and repairs and dyes. - Corollary to the above, catgirl dressup is the real endgame and you can still do it on the cheap. - There's a ton of incentive to play alts. XP bonus aside, you can carry shitloads of equipment and on some patch cycles there's sufficient overlap to kit every role out. Since it's all on the same character you don't have to do what winds up feeling like the same boring quests over and over after your first time through. This is a bit of a double-edged sword however, because: - This game is far more susceptible to sporadic resubbing because things can get really stale. Since the story is the biggest draw, once you've caught up through the latest content it's not that hard to bring yourself to unsub until another patch or two have come out. This is subjective and I'm sure someone's going to fall over themselves to say my opinion is wrong or whatever, but I think the vast majority of the dungeons are a real bore compared to the post-vanilla instances in WoW, which is made all the worse by the fact that you'll be running them over and over on each of your alt jobs the way you would quests in WoW since they're pretty much the way to level alt jobs. The story keeps me coming back a couple times a year, but the group content isn't appealing enough to keep me subbed in the interim. Emalde posted:How many other MMOs with a notable story actually feature you as a side character? WoW is the one that keeps coming up, and FF11 from what I understand puts you as perpetual #2, but in every MMO I've played, protagonist has always been the most important figure in the story, which at this point is kind of boring and is forever a source of cognitive dissonance when you have no actual agency as "the most important person in the world". As I remember it, Rift always treated you as one of a number of noteworthy individuals but not as THE big man on campus. The Secret World did the same in a much cooler way, where being granted otherworldly superpowers simply meant that you're cannon fodder.
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Sep 25, 2016 19:16
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Yeah it makes the characters who don't respect you/fear you pop a bit more. Matoya's sassing you wouldn't be quite as refreshing if everyone else also treated you like a dirt farmer.
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Sep 25, 2016 19:18
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hobbesmaster posted:gently caress you too estinien. Estinien had a lot more reason to kill Nidhogg than you did. And at least he actually helps you throughout the fight rather than suddenly showing up right at the end.
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Sep 25, 2016 19:35
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But he completely fucks it up and you need to fix his mistake 3 patches later.
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Sep 25, 2016 19:36
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Emalde posted:How many other MMOs with a notable story actually feature you as a side character? WoW is the one that keeps coming up, and FF11 from what I understand puts you as perpetual #2, but in every MMO I've played, protagonist has always been the most important figure in the story, which at this point is kind of boring and is forever a source of cognitive dissonance when you have no actual agency as "the most important person in the world". Man the worst thing ever was GW2 when you did this big long drawn out quest and everyone is like "OUR HERO HERE HAVE THIS REALLY COOL ULTIMATE MAGIC WEAPON" then they hand it to an NPC. All that fucker did was stand around while I did all the work 
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Sep 25, 2016 19:38
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Meldonox posted:The Secret World did the same in a much cooler way, where being granted otherworldly superpowers simply meant that you're cannon fodder. TSW really nails the growth of your character's value/importance in the story really well for the first campaign, I haven't played any of the "expansion" content so I'm not sure if that holds up at all.
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Sep 25, 2016 19:48
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One thing to note is that while the warrior of light might be the most important person in the world, nobody really knows that. To most people, you're "just" a hero who defeated the Ultima Weapon and Nidhogg. Your accomplishments are great, but there are plenty of people who are more visibly important than you. Even to the Scions, you're a particularly effective murder cyclone who has the power of the Echo, not the savior of the world.
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Sep 25, 2016 19:55
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Emalde posted:How many other MMOs with a notable story actually feature you as a side character? WoW is the one that keeps coming up, and FF11 from what I understand puts you as perpetual #2, but in every MMO I've played, protagonist has always been the most important figure in the story, which at this point is kind of boring and is forever a source of cognitive dissonance when you have no actual agency as "the most important person in the world". Gw2 was real bad about this and they played up the personal story aspect a fair bit in the lead up to launch.
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Sep 25, 2016 19:59
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