NecroBob posted:

I'm not a lawyer, but wouldn't a hung jury just result in another trial, and so on, until a definitive guilty/not guilty was reached, or until the prosecutor just said "gently caress it, nevermind"?

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

Aw come on let's not mock the guy's tragic face deformity too much when he's got entirely self-inflicted tragic mind deformities by the dozens here

Azathoth posted:

It's not about the prestige, it's about the toughness, at least for scrawny losers like the one in that picture. They're not physically intimidating, but they really love to shoot their mouth off, yet without their guns, they know that they would lose any actual fight, so they claim to be Marines because everyone knows that all Marines are tough and can kick anyone's rear end and no one fucks with Marines. It's everything that they want to be, but aren't, so they go play dress-up (seriously, love that description) and claim to be something they're not because although they may not be tough, people treat them like they are. The idiots for whom it's about prestige invariably claim to be Navy Seals, Army Rangers, Delta Force, Green Berets, etc.

Discendo Vox posted:

The PD appears to be trying to paint the occupation as nonviolent protest. He might stands almost a ghost of a chance if he didn't have to deal with the other lawyers, several of whom are right-fringe types.

Your Gay Uncle posted:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUxuYuqe-XBFonUGFLETfnA

I found this awhile ago, it's some crazy rear end old retired Navy Seal who spends his time hunting down fake Navy Seals and exposing them. It's so crazy people try to pretend to be Tier 1 Spec Ops No Scope Trick Shot Super Soldiers because it's a pretty small community . There's like less then 100 active duty Seals right now.

red19fire posted:

Yeah, it's a double edged sword because stolen valor jerkoffs want the maximum amount of unearned respect by pretending to be the most elite aspect of the military, but also it's the easiest to sniff out the fakeness when it's a scrawny dork in a mismatched uniform. Like my friends and I came across a kid in a green USMC service jacket with blue bloodstriped pants, a complete mismatch. He was 22, somehow had e-7 rank with hash marks indicating a minimum of 12 years of service, with an Antarctica Service Medal ranked above a purple heart on his fake ribbon stack with gold parachute wings below it. It did not end well for that fuckhead. And this was in Jacksonville, by the way, one of the most populous bases in the country.

The 3rd one is my favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk-UnI7kvJk

Tayter Swift posted:

https://twitter.com/jjmacnab/status/779748476976369664

Yinlock posted:

I remember reading a gip post about a super Fake Internet Tough Guy, that was like "dude if you just pretended to be a desk jockey and grumbled vaguely about how officers are poo poo nobody would notice or care, but no you had to be ELITE SNIPER MARINE HUT HUT"

I just can't really wrap my head around being that level of tryhard pretend tough. Like dude your forearms will snap at the slightest impact, you're not fooling anybody.

Your Gay Uncle posted:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUxuYuqe-XBFonUGFLETfnA

I found this awhile ago, it's some crazy rear end old retired Navy Seal who spends his time hunting down fake Navy Seals and exposing them. It's so crazy people try to pretend to be Tier 1 Spec Ops No Scope Trick Shot Super Soldiers because it's a pretty small community . There's like less then 100 active duty Seals right now.

CaptainSarcastic posted:

That's too bad. Fry is the only one of these clowns that I feel any sympathy for at all.

Subterfrugal posted:

As much as I enjoy the legit stolen valor callout videos the pendulum is always in danger of swinging the other way. Like if some poor homeless guy is wearing an ACU top with jeans that's not stolen valor so much as it is "comfy utilitarian pajama top that is somewhat socially acceptable to wear. I was recently approached at a home depot by some shitlord with cellphone in hand who wanted to know where I went to basic because I was wearing an old PT shirt.

Motherfucker, your first clue I'm not purporting to still be active duty should be that the shirt is covered in paint.

Your Gay Uncle posted:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUxuYuqe-XBFonUGFLETfnA

I found this awhile ago, it's some crazy rear end old retired Navy Seal who spends his time hunting down fake Navy Seals and exposing them. It's so crazy people try to pretend to be Tier 1 Spec Ops No Scope Trick Shot Super Soldiers because it's a pretty small community . There's like less then 100 active duty Seals right now.

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

Yeah for every legit sick own the stolen valor patrol gets there's lots of cases of them assaulting someone who just bought a cool jacket at a surplus store or who's an actual veteran but who doesn't actually give a gently caress if one of his buttons isn't buttoned or whatever.

e: And "sad veterans who fight the good fight against fake military scammers" is like catnip to republican lawmakers so we get stuff like the original 2005-era Stolen Valor Act which the supreme court had to strike down for infringing freedom of speech

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

This has nothing to do with anything but I've always thought "MANPAD" sounded like a maxi pad made ~just for men~

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

This has nothing to do with anything but I've always thought "MANPAD" sounded like a maxi pad made ~just for men~

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

What's the legal definition of "violence" then, because they basically took property and barred people from areas they needed to be. Like does it have to [intend to] inflict defined, physical damage?

Facebook Aunt posted:

Yeah, they think it's not violence until you pull the trigger. Just waving weapons around and trashing the place is non-violent.


As I recall the final 4 claimed they weren't interfering with anyone, they were just camping, and not doing anything to prevent refuge workers from going to work. The earlier guys may think something similar. Did any legit refuge workers ever try to enter during the occupation? Ever come up to the gate and get turned away? Probably not. Workers just randomly decided not to come into work.

WrenP-Complete posted:

The one in AZ, around minute 4?

As a dual Israeli-US citizen, this kind of military cosplay is even more weird. I'm not sure how it feels to other people from countries with mandatory conscription.

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

Well that's true but I was asking if there was an actual legal line because the PD seems to know what he's doing (unlike everyone else) so I thought maybe he had a legal reason to claim that but it seems they're just trying to play on the jury's similar confusion so

Facebook Aunt posted:

It isn't purely for prestige, sometimes they do it for money. In america some businesses offer a discount to military or retires military personnel. http://militarybenefits.info/military-discounts/ I assume most of them want to see valid military ID, but you could probably get the discounts some places just by wearing the uniform. Cosplay in the mall is probably to scam discounts.

Capntastic posted:

Is there a greatest hits of Marc? I never got to listen during the standoff and everyone said he mocked the poo poo out of these cosplayers

Capntastic posted:

Asking again, heehee

Young Freud posted:

Or some sex. Being in uniform means you're on leave or have returned home and there's certain types of people who will open their legs or bend over for a man in uniform, sometimes for free.

Don't let Asia fool you, America has it's fair share of bar chicks as well.

Parallel Paraplegic posted:

This has nothing to do with anything but I've always thought "MANPAD" sounded like a maxi pad made ~just for men~

Facebook Aunt posted:

Yeah, they think it's not violence until you pull the trigger. Just waving weapons around and trashing the place is non-violent.


As I recall the final 4 claimed they weren't interfering with anyone, they were just camping, and not doing anything to prevent refuge workers from going to work. The earlier guys may think something similar. Did any legit refuge workers ever try to enter during the occupation? Ever come up to the gate and get turned away? Probably not. Workers just randomly decided not to come into work.

Jumpingmanjim posted:

Gennifer Flowers posted:

red19fire posted:

This, plus per the OPB podcast the main charges are for conspiracy, so they're trying to fight those charges by saying the occupation was mostly unplanned. Which the feds have countered by having an informant inside the Bundy organization (Ryan's driver), and turning the lower-level Bundy hangers-on. The other big charges are for preventing federal employees access to the buildings, which the prosecution has been having Malheur employees testify they felt threatened, and the defense has been 'we never said you couldn't come to the reserve and do your job, all the guns and unspoken threats of violence were for show'. AKA the 'I'm not touching you" defense.

zeal posted:

you should talk to her gennifer, help her through this difficult period of her life to realize she can be so much more than a military spouse

OMFG PTSD LOL PBUH posted:

Go ask the career development folks at the MPF. Also pimp the TMO folks and ask them.

The final answer comes from one of those two sources. And in the end you have a 50/50 chance of being told the wrong thing anyway.

But you asked for thoughts, and after smoking a bowl and contemplating things, I had a thought I'd like to share with you.

Have you considered not marrying your fiancee?

I can count on one finger the number of guys that were USAF intel officers that I wouldn't line up outside the gas chambers if the fourth reich became a thing.

A few years from now, when you can't even stand to look at him without feeling a sense of extreme hatred and disappointment simultaneous to realizing that at 28 years old you spend 50% of your day thinking about becoming a divorcee, remember this advice: Run the gently caress away now.

Seriously, there is a 100% chance your fiancee is a tool and a loving nitwit. There is a 100% chance that he will be peer pressured into becoming a distilled version of fighter pilot gay bro'ness not by dudes that fly fighter jets, but other sperged out intel retard officers. He's going to start saying things like "Check, Rodge, Vector, Burner" and other associated lame as gently caress things, while also sometimes randomly wearing a flightsuit to work on Fridays despite his only flight time being the fam flight he poo poo his pants or puked his guts up during.

Also he's going to cheat on you. Oh man is he going to cheat on you. And there is a not too bad chance that it won't be with some good looking gal, but rather some dumb bitch enlisted intel girl that almost got a degree in psychology from her podunk state school before she decided she hated the taste of gargling frat sperm and dropped out and joined up to get a chance at being the hottest little twat in a windowless SCIF in Japan.

But don't worry about that breaking your heart, he'll never tell you. You'll be too busy caring for the 3-4 kids he demands you squeeze out in repayment to the base model BMW 3 series he's going to buy you when he gets to his second assignment at Tinker AFB.

When he's not deep dicking some borderline inbred dipshit Airman who's a civilian 5 and intel 12, he'll be lording over you how his job and career come first, and pray he doesn't make more money than you because that'll come up everytime you sigh audibly at the dinner table where you two will passive aggressively try to grind down each others will to live and breathe.

By this point as a captain he's going to be TDY 1-2 months a year, where he's getting half assed hand jobs from third tier strippers on excursions with the least socially inept enlisted guys in his flight-- this is probably the point where his raging alcoholism will be so clear and obvious to you that you two will start fighting every saturday before kick off when his colleges football team inevitably will take a beating. This fight won't stop until his next TDY when the sweet release of his toothless stripper infidelities and lack of home presence gives you time to bust out your big giant purple *BZZZZZ* friend whenever those walking talking pants making GBS threads machines you call children fall asleep long enough to let you deaden the nerves in your clitoris.

Soon after he'll take his third assignment, the one right before he pins on Major, and suddenly he'll be pressuring you into becoming a fundamentalist christian, and he'll delete all of his whores off of his facebook account and spend his home time posting image macros about 2nd amendment rights, and how jesus spoke english in the bible so these loving mexicans should too. At this point you two will be consigned to bi-annual loving, and only when you've drank enough cheap boxed wind to be able to stand the idea of him pounding away on you missionary style but still refusing to look you in the eyes.

This will also be the point when your oldest childs ADHD and pyromania are diagnosed, and one of your parents die. There is around a 85% chance one of you is going to be eating zoloft and klonopin out of loving pez dispensers, and waking up angry that the sweet release of death hasn't taken one of you out of this loveless hosed up marriage.

Somewhere in here the idea of swinging is going to come up casually as an almost joke when you are both in the blissful release of a nice drunken buzz, and one of you will actually be very open and interested in the idea. The other is going to wind up being an unhappy accomplice wondering why your partner wants to gently caress almost chubby guys with spray on tans, or watch the sacred hole through which your children came into this world be filled with all manner of different ethnicities of cock.

I'm late to bring this up, but sooner rather than later you're also going to screen positive for HPV, and your intel officer husband is going to take every bit of research skills he has from his job to convince you that you got it from donating blood or sitting on a toilet seat.

You didn't get it from the Red Cross or a trip to the shitter.

As it stands now though, you can walk the gently caress away and enjoy a life that I'm pretty sure would be better than the above. And you'll never have to see the inside of an officers wives meeting which is a lovecraftian hell that makes my description of your future seem like Charlie's trip through the chocolate factory.

Captain_Maclaine posted:

This reminds me of one of the better things to emerge from these forums regarding military spouses:

SocketWrench posted:

That....that...I....that was beautiful!

Captain_Maclaine posted:

Has subject of that self-appointed judge come up yet, who was threatening to convene "citizen grand juries" or whatever to try and hang county officials who didn't do what the militants wanted?


This reminds me of one of the better things to emerge from these forums regarding military spouses:

Facebook Aunt posted:

It isn't purely for prestige, sometimes they do it for money. In america some businesses offer a discount to military or retires military personnel. http://militarybenefits.info/military-discounts/ I assume most of them want to see valid military ID, but you could probably get the discounts some places just by wearing the uniform. Cosplay in the mall is probably to scam discounts.

Captain_Maclaine posted:

amazing

Facebook Aunt posted:

It isn't purely for prestige, sometimes they do it for money. In america some businesses offer a discount to military or retires military personnel. http://militarybenefits.info/military-discounts/ I assume most of them want to see valid military ID, but you could probably get the discounts some places just by wearing the uniform. Cosplay in the mall is probably to scam discounts.

WrenP-Complete posted:

I always thought that we drug researchers had good access to drugs, but whatever vets are getting must be incredible.

xthetenth posted:

Then why wouldn't they pretend to be some boring-rear end POG who nobody wants to ask questions of?