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Andrast posted:The US system seems pretty lovely If you're a criminal, yeah.
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Sep 25, 2016 16:04
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oldpainless posted:If you're a poor, yeah.
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Sep 25, 2016 16:11
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Like very nation on the planet has a parole system. Its a good thing.
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Sep 25, 2016 16:13
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TheLightPurges posted:Like very nation on the planet has a parole system. Its a good thing. I wasn't really criticizing the existence of parole systems. Here in Finland barely anyone is actually in prison for their whole sentence.
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Sep 25, 2016 16:15
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TheLightPurges posted:They are on parole. They are not released from prison. Thats why they can set basically whatever conditions they'd like and you are legally required to do it otherwise you can just finish out your sentence the normal way. I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what parole is. Seriously, they are still literally prisoners. Instead of tax dollars fully funding the parole system, the prisoners on it partially fund by direct taxation. It is not a hard concept. This is literally the same concept as national parks. Federal taxes from everyone partially pay for operations indirectly but visitors pay directly through entrance fees. It is common practice to fund government programs through direct and indirect taxation/contributions.
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Sep 25, 2016 16:25
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My buddy got out on parole after 8 years in prison and is doing pretty well as far as I know. I hope he doesn't have to deal with any of this poo poo though. He deserves to be out and with his family.
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Sep 25, 2016 16:30
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Another lovely thing about parole is I believe you have a billion check up meetings with your parole officer during business hours. I don't think employers are too happy when you have to leave at 1pm every week.
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Sep 25, 2016 16:37
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Bum the Sad posted:Another lovely thing about parole is I believe you have a billion check up meetings with your parole officer during business hours. I don't think employers are too happy when you have to leave at 1pm every week. From personal experience, once a week. You can schedule those around your work, usually.
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Sep 25, 2016 16:42
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TheLightPurges posted:They are on parole. They are not released from prison. Thats why they can set basically whatever conditions they'd like and you are legally required to do it otherwise you can just finish out your sentence the normal way. I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what parole is. I know very well what parole is. The issue I and drat near everyone else have is that "having to pay to stay out of jail" is totally hosed up. TheLightPurges posted:Like very nation on the planet has a parole system. Its a good thing. Not a single person in this thread is criticising the existence of parole. What is being criticised is how the US implements it and how incredibly punitive it is to the poor.
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Sep 25, 2016 16:44
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What I don't get though is how they're making money off this, if the majority of people affected by having to pay for their parole can't pay and are stuffed back in prison.
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Sep 25, 2016 16:55
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Because it's not about making money. It's not about justice. It's about punishing
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Sep 25, 2016 16:58
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Nitrox posted:From personal experience, once a week. You can schedule those around your work, usually. Even if you work a 9-5, M-F?
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Sep 25, 2016 17:08
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Bum the Sad posted:Even if you work a 9-5, M-F? Unless you're so stupid as to not inform your employer that you're on parole, they're generally willing to work with you on checking in if you can't manage to do that on the weekend for good reason.
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Sep 25, 2016 17:13
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Panfilo posted:What I don't get though is how they're making money off this, if the majority of people affected by having to pay for their parole can't pay and are stuffed back in prison. The government isn't making money. Politicians get fat donations to their reelection campaign from basically every industry with a vested interest in making money off incarceration (cop/prison guard unions, etc). loving lmao if you think the average American politician gives half a sloppy wet fart about the people their policies effect when it's reelection time, the coffers are running low, and lobbyists start knocking on the door.
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Sep 25, 2016 17:24
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Sounds like elections are the real issue
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Bum the Sad posted:Even if you work a 9-5, M-F?
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Sep 25, 2016 20:51
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Bored and watching C-SPAN today Watching Senate committees ripping apart CEOs of Wells Fargo and Mylan as they try to excuse indefensible business practices isn't exactly exciting, but it sure is fun. The best part of the Stumpf one is Elizabeth Warren at the end, she asks why they didn't fire Tolstedt rather than letting her retire, and why he won't ask the board to revoke her eligibility for 2016 performance bonuses, and ends up telling him he should resign because he's apparently not doing anything as chariman of the board. https://www.c-span.org/video/?415547-1/ceo-john-stumpf-testifies-unauthorized-wells-fargo-accounts https://www.c-span.org/video/?415549-1/mylan-inc-ceo-heather-bresch-testifies-epipen-price-increases
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Sep 25, 2016 21:00
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Nitrox posted:Yes. Visit parole office at 8 am, arrive to work at 9:15. Not a problem Lol if you think the average PO is that helpful.
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Sep 25, 2016 21:26
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Once a month I had to take off work and drive 20 minutes away, wait 30 minutes to be called to see him and then get asked 1. Did you make a payment? 2. Are you breaking any laws? Literally 30 second meetings with him that I used my lunch hour for.
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GWBBQ posted:Bored and watching C-SPAN today Watching Senate committees ripping apart CEOs of Wells Fargo and Mylan as they try to excuse indefensible business practices isn't exactly exciting, but it sure is fun. The best part of the Stumpf one is Elizabeth Warren at the end, she asks why they didn't fire Tolstedt rather than letting her retire, and why he won't ask the board to revoke her eligibility for 2016 performance bonuses, and ends up telling him he should resign because he's apparently not doing anything as chariman of the board. to be fair the mylan one is defensible because the fda allows it to happen. as a matter of fact if it was against the law it wouldnt be a senate committee, it would be a courtroom and a criminal trial fun reading: https://thinksteroids.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/vince-mcmahon-interview.pdf
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Sep 26, 2016 01:12
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oldpainless posted:Once a month I had to take off work and drive 20 minutes away, wait 30 minutes to be called to see him and then get asked more like oldlunchless
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Sep 26, 2016 01:25
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im pooping! posted:to be fair the mylan one is defensible because the fda allows it to happen. as a matter of fact if it was against the law it wouldnt be a senate committee, it would be a courtroom and a criminal trial
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Sep 26, 2016 01:28
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china bot posted:more like oldlunchless 
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Sep 26, 2016 02:07
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GWBBQ posted:Bored and watching C-SPAN today Watching Senate committees ripping apart CEOs of Wells Fargo and Mylan as they try to excuse indefensible business practices isn't exactly exciting, but it sure is fun. The best part of the Stumpf one is Elizabeth Warren at the end, she asks why they didn't fire Tolstedt rather than letting her retire, and why he won't ask the board to revoke her eligibility for 2016 performance bonuses, and ends up telling him he should resign because he's apparently not doing anything as chariman of the board. After seeing so many committees like this rip apart CEOs and basically forget about it a couple days later, I can't help but feel the schad is on us.
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Sep 26, 2016 02:39
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They're taking the tough line on Big Banking! Really sticking it to those fat cats! Finally, someone that is standing up for the little guy.
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Sep 26, 2016 02:47
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Aerdan posted:Unless you're so stupid as to not inform your employer that you're on parole, they're generally willing to work with you on checking in if you can't manage to do that on the weekend for good reason. Jesus Christ, you people are deliberately naive. I know from direct experience from knowing a person working a job for a state government, in which their hours are set in stone, 8-5, and they have to use their vacation hours every single time they have to go to their parole officer. If they run out of hours? Written up, at risk of termination, which is a violation of parole. (leaving alone the fact that they can now basically never take an actual vacation because they're using it all for their parole appointments). The parole officer does NOT work with them, gives them appointments based on their own personal schedule and NOT that of the parolee and frequently gives incorrect information about the place and date and time in which they should check in. It's loving bullshit, and you're part of the problem if you think it's all fine.
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Sep 26, 2016 03:51
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maybe u shouldnt associate with CRIMINALS
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Sep 26, 2016 03:55
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im pooping! posted:maybe u shouldnt associate with CRIMINALS Yes but if working for the government is your only option what can you do?
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Sep 26, 2016 04:09
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http://i.imgur.com/UP2xuyJ.gifv edit : wrong link
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Sep 26, 2016 04:19
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lol if you expect the government to not be heartless af. I was assuming, y'know, a situation wherein the employer/boss was a human being.
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Sep 26, 2016 04:21
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CaptBushido posted:Jesus Christ, you people are deliberately naive. I know from direct experience from knowing a person working a job for a state government, in which their hours are set in stone, 8-5, and they have to use their vacation hours every single time they have to go to their parole officer. If they run out of hours? Written up, at risk of termination, which is a violation of parole. (leaving alone the fact that they can now basically never take an actual vacation because they're using it all for their parole appointments). The parole officer does NOT work with them, gives them appointments based on their own personal schedule and NOT that of the parolee and frequently gives incorrect information about the place and date and time in which they should check in. It's loving bullshit, and you're part of the problem if you think it's all fine. Glad you ignored the several goons that posted who actually were on probation and said it was nothing like this.
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Sep 26, 2016 04:41
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it's almost like parole circumstances vary based on jurisdiction and poo poo
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Sep 26, 2016 04:43
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Andrast posted:The US system seems pretty lovely Hey now, in plenty of places in the US, paying fees isn't just what you do to stay out on parole; you also have to pay fees for remaining behind bars 
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Sep 26, 2016 04:43
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#NotAllUnitedStates
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Sep 26, 2016 04:57
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How's about you go back and actually read some of those posts before pitching a fit that we aren't getting all up in arms with you, mmkay, skippy? It's true that there are parole officers who are out specifically to dick over parolees and make their life miserable, because gently caress You For Criming. It is also true that there are parole officers who are actually human and are willing to work with the parolees to make sure that they can do what they need to do. These two sentences are both true. The fact that rear end in a top hat officers exist does not negate the fact that the good ones exist. What, exactly, are you getting at, captain? Malachite_Dragon has a new favorite as of 05:04 on Sep 26, 2016 |
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E: Not the place for this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KloC60eR_4 Fail Army video.
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Lime Tonics posted:http://i.imgur.com/UP2xuyJ.gifv Beautiful. Dunno where this is, but based on the tropical vegetation and red earth his response was appropriate.
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