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CaptainSarcastic posted:The whole "Linux isn't ready for the desktop" trope being repeated in this thread is definitely a tech relic. the funniest part to me is that 'year of the linux desktop' idea got traction and then faded away because everyone stopped using desktops in favor of (mostly unix based) tablets and smartphones. We never got the year of the linux desktop!
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But now everybody is sick of smearing their fingers around on screens and are ready to get back to work..... Desktops are coming back.... In Linux form
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Sep 26, 2016 12:56
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Linux should just face facts and rebrand itself as BridesmaidOS.
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Sep 26, 2016 13:02
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running linux on the desktop is the equivalent of growing your own food. great if you can do it, but gently caress right off if you tell others that it's simple and easy.
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Sep 26, 2016 13:06
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*bites into a plump home grown tomato, juices gushing over lips, bits of tomato flesh lodged in-between teeth, grinning turns to camera "it's free, and open source"
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Sep 26, 2016 13:13
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well why not posted:running linux on the desktop is the equivalent of growing your own food. great if you can do it, but gently caress right off if you tell others that it's simple and easy. It's simple and easy if you're a loving computer grog. 
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Sep 26, 2016 13:45
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No-one stopped using desktops computers, just their preferred form-factor changed and now hundreds of millions of desks world-wide have laptops on them with external monitors, mice, and keyboards attached. And a layer of dust on them.
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Sep 26, 2016 14:04
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iPads and keyboard cases brought back the era of 10 hour spreadsheet processing on a 10" screen with lovely chiclet keys everybody loving loves it lmao I don't trust anybody whose job is to post twitter updates from a bean bag chair to tell me that desktops and laptops are dead
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Sep 26, 2016 14:19
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you still need a desktop or a laptop with mouse keyboard and preferably an external monitor to get Real Work done imho 
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Sep 26, 2016 14:48
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well why not posted:running linux on the desktop is the equivalent of growing your own food. great if you can do it, but gently caress right off if you tell others that it's simple and easy. I do both and you're exactly right. I don't recommend either to anyone I know.
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Sep 26, 2016 15:06
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How long until all of apples product line can be considered a relic because I look forward to that day with vigor
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Sep 26, 2016 15:52
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8 track betamax posted:How long until all of apples product line can be considered a relic because I look forward to that day with vigor When the iPhone 9 has no screen because screens are in the past. The phone itself is just a circuitboard and a watch battery coated in plastic. It's only 2mm thick. You can still buy a screen separately which connects via the proprietary connector via two adapters.
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Sep 26, 2016 15:56
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Soon Apple will sell iEye. Retina etching so you can use your phone.. ON YOUR EYES. It will basically be surgical google glass.
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Sep 26, 2016 16:00
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So courageous
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Sep 26, 2016 16:18
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No matter how simple or easy Linux gets, there are still almost no reasons for your average user to bother with it at all.
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Sep 26, 2016 16:41
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Linux used to be good on the desktop but then terrible nerds got into "developing" it and now it's quite literally useless. Back in the late 90s and early 00s a nice desktop linux would run fine on older hardware and that was its main "selling" point.
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Sep 26, 2016 16:44
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CubanMissile posted:No matter how simple or easy Linux gets, there are still almost no reasons for your average user to bother with it at all. Tuxracer of course
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Sep 26, 2016 17:32
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Jerry Cotton posted:Linux used to be good on the desktop but then terrible nerds got into "developing" it and now it's quite literally useless. Back in the late 90s and early 00s a nice desktop linux would run fine on older hardware and that was its main "selling" point. I liked Linux back when jocks were making it between games.
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Sep 26, 2016 17:55
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Is there a good Windows or iOS version of SameGame out there? I had to use Linux for a thing at one point (not my proudest moment, honestly) and the only thing that got me through it was SameGnome.
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Sep 26, 2016 18:00
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Skoll posted:Soon Apple will sell iEye. Retina etching so you can use your phone.. ON YOUR EYES. It will basically be surgical google glass. Futurerama beat you to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJyMEkb_8to
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Sep 26, 2016 19:01
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They will call it...EyePhone 
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Sep 26, 2016 19:12
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CubanMissile posted:No matter how simple or easy Linux gets, there are still almost no reasons for your average user to bother with it at all. Um excuse me but the alarming thread about Microsoft taking telemetry from Windows 10 got like, a thousand upvotes on reddit? zeitgeist much mother fucker?
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Sep 26, 2016 19:20
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A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:There are no N64 emulators that "run fine" in terms of having decent accuracy and still running at a playable speed. CEN64 is the cloest things have gotten, but it still has some issues and needs a top of the line i7. From a few pages back, but this isn't quite true. With N64 emulation, we're kind of where ZSNES ended up- the most popular games do "run fine" in that sense (Super Mario 64, OoT, Mario Kart 64, Smash 64, etc all run great). However, the less popular the game is, the more likely you are to run into weird bugs and edge cases, even if the game's playable, and a lot of games just really do not control well unless you pony up for an N64 controller adapter or make specific rebinds for every game (Turok looks and sounds fine, and runs fast enough, but the controls are a motherfucker to get working right).
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Sep 26, 2016 20:35
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CubanMissile posted:No matter how simple or easy Linux gets, there are still almost no reasons for your average user to bother with it at all. Also forgot to point out that linuxes haven't been getting simpler or easier but more complex and hard.
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Sep 26, 2016 21:03
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What about grandma's 12 year old email forwarding station? Wouldn't it be better off with Linux than say with Windows XP or Vista whose service period are over by now?
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Sep 26, 2016 21:12
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Skoll posted:Soon Apple will sell iEye. Retina etching so you can use your phone.. ON YOUR EYES. It will basically be surgical google glass. Any excuse to post the ibrain is a good excuse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtV80ZdpTY0 Insanely NSFW, but only audio, so headphone to your headphones content.
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Sep 26, 2016 21:40
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Mak0rz posted:What about grandma's 12 year old email forwarding station? Wouldn't it be better off with Linux than say with Windows XP or Vista whose service period are over by now? Only because IIRC ubuntu has an "easy mode" where you lock out basically all functionality except for gigantic icons that say "INTERNET" and "EMAIL" I will say that Lubuntu, Kubuntu and Xubuntu are pretty great for super-low-powered stuff (my 1st-gen single-core Atom processor netbook was brutal under XP or 7).
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Sep 26, 2016 21:45
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drunk asian neighbor posted:Only because IIRC ubuntu has an "easy mode" where you lock out basically all functionality except for gigantic icons that say "INTERNET" and "EMAIL" Ubuntu's greatest triumph was convincing people that launching LXDE, KDE, or XFCE was so difficult it required an entirely different installation, rather that just 'apt-get install xfce'.
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Sep 26, 2016 21:48
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Pham Nuwen posted:Ubuntu's greatest triumph was convincing people that launching LXDE, KDE, or XFCE was so difficult it required an entirely different installation, rather that just 'apt-get install xfce'. lol yes, those nefarious money-grubbing Ubuntu devs and their accursed "splash page that suggests that certain flavors may be better-suited for older computers"
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Sep 26, 2016 21:56
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drunk asian neighbor posted:lol yes, those nefarious money-grubbing Ubuntu devs and their accursed "splash page that suggests that certain flavors may be better-suited for older computers" I'm not saying I know why they did it, just that thousands of people are now apparently convinced you have to reinstall your OS if you want to use KDE. Yes, I have personally witnessed otherwise intelligent people doing this. God forbid you can't offer every single window manager on a single install disk, you might have to do something insane like fetch packages over the Internet!
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Sep 26, 2016 22:15
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The Mrs. has been in a nostalgic mood lately, so she DVRed a bunch of old episodes of All In the Family. Amazingly, the show has aged pretty well (outside of the 70's fashion), but the episode we watched last night most certainly did not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izWZ3iZoe6M "Archie and the Computer" First aired a few weeks before I was born: October 27, 1973 Keep in mind, this was before ANY Personal Computers existed (there were some "micro-computer" kits, but nothing you could buy and use without major tinkering), so the bad guys in this episode are invisible mainframes laboring away somewhere off-screen. It's likely that none of the characters had ever seen, let alone used, a computer. The level of anti-computer paranoia coming out of Meathead's mouth is kind of shocking... We've become so accustomed to seeing dirty, hippie-ish 70's-era Jobs and Woz, that one can forget how anti-technology most of the rank and file hippies really were... technology was a TOOL OF THE MAN!
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Sep 26, 2016 23:07
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Glad we got past that. Now it's just the old cranky conservatives yelling about how real work can't be done without a mouse and keyboard.
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Sep 26, 2016 23:13
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Hell, I just bought another three laptops for the department and "the keyboard is good" was one of the deciding factors. We had a couple of people that tried Surfaces, but two of them now have normal laptops and the last one mostly uses a desktop. (A huge workstation tower, even). I've had people ask me to order them better keyboards. Of course, biology research is the kind of job where you end up typing a lot - and I have perfectly normal people with educations in things like molecular biology or even veterinary science writing R code to do their own analysis. We're probably not representative of much. 
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Sep 27, 2016 01:48
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CubanMissile posted:No matter how simple or easy Linux gets, there are still almost no reasons for your average user to bother with it at all. Yes, the Internet is highly overrated.
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Sep 27, 2016 04:09
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Computer viking posted:Hell, I just bought another three laptops for the department and "the keyboard is good" was one of the deciding factors. We had a couple of people that tried Surfaces, but two of them now have normal laptops and the last one mostly uses a desktop. (A huge workstation tower, even). I've had people ask me to order them better keyboards. But how do they use their big unstylish desktops while synergizing in the ball pit?
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Sep 27, 2016 10:37
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Yes, the Internet is highly overrated. Rumor has it that it also makes you stupid. Computer viking posted:Hell, I just bought another three laptops for the department and "the keyboard is good" was one of the deciding factors. We had a couple of people that tried Surfaces, but two of them now have normal laptops and the last one mostly uses a desktop. (A huge workstation tower, even). I've had people ask me to order them better keyboards. As an ecologist by trade I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that what they consider a "good" keyboard is basically anything with a built-in numpad. So many of my colleagues in grad school took like ten times longer to do their data entry than me because they all had MacBook Airs and were too cheap/dumb to buy a peripheral numpad. Mak0rz has a new favorite as of 15:26 on Sep 27, 2016 |
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Sep 27, 2016 15:19
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I wonder if keyboards and mice will become a relic in certain jobs in the 3D modeling/game dev industries with the full adoption of VR-based editors. It's already started with Epic adding VR editing support in UE4, and I know there's some VR modeling projects ongoing with Blender. It seems like the place where VR is going to shine, even if it never gets adapted for consumer use; being able to model and arrange while having a true visualization of depth allows for massive streamlining, with the potential to offer significantly faster workflows. Of course programming and the like probably won't benefit, but for jobs that are primarily visual based it looks like a game-changer.
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Sep 27, 2016 21:03
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That was just implicit, but yeah - I don't think one without a keypad would have went over well. On the other hand, there's remarkably little data entry in this; most datasets have hundreds of thousands of points per sample and are exported as text files from the relevant tools. It's mostly about the analysis code, article writing, and emails. A couple of years ago I spent some office money on the cheapest gaming keyboard with cherry brown switches I could find for myself. She tested that and liked it, so I found a reasonably neutral-looking one for her. As for why our staunch computing gear supplier has a broad selection of gaming gear, I have no idea.
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Sep 27, 2016 21:06
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If you need a non-gaming mechanical keyboard for office use, I'm a huge fan of this one: http://matias.ca/quietpro/ A little pricey at $150, but its got that great feel, and it's quiet enough to use in an office.
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