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Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Lewandowski is attacking the moderator.

Yeah, they know he lost.

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Nobby
Sep 10, 2006

Everyone cries when they're stabbed. There's no shame in that.

Xae posted:

Lewandowski is attacking the moderator.

Yeah, they know he lost.

That pile-on of "No, that was her" was a thing of beauty.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Corin Tucker's Stalker posted:

Even knowing Trump is a wreck, the comments about blowing up an Iranian ship and China invading North Korea were unnerving. I don't know if those moments will be a major focus going forward but they should be. Not thinking (much less saying) poo poo like that is such a low bar, almost as low as not being easily manipulated into chasing every piece of bait dangled in front of you.

China is right now laughing at him I bet.
They want him to be president.

gently caress, the evil guy from Lazy Town wants him to be president as he has someone finally to hoodwink properly.

Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




Hillary spent 98% of the time looking down at her talking points, the woman doesnt have an original thought in her head

Did Trump even have any notes? I feel like he won

Alkabob
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please

Xae posted:

Lewandowski is attacking the moderator.

Yeah, they know he lost.

Lester Holt was as effective as a one legged man in an rear end kicking contest, its going to be a hard sell to make him out as someone biased against Trump.

Observe Me
Jan 21, 2006

I know shits bad right now with all that starving bullshit and the dust storms and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings. But I got a solution!

Orange Red Bull posted:

Hillary spent 98% of the time looking down at her talking points, the woman doesnt have an original thought in her head

Did Trump even have any notes? I feel like he won

Are you sure you didn't watch the 2012 Obama/Romney first debate by accident?

Hillary spent most of her time smiling at Donald.

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

Orange Red Bull posted:

Hillary spent 98% of the time looking down at her talking points, the woman doesnt have an original thought in her head

Did Trump even have any notes? I feel like he won

Ugh why are you even bothering to type such worthless words?

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Lester Holt was so biased that he let Trump speak with almost no interruption.

axeil
Feb 14, 2006

Orange Red Bull posted:

Hillary spent 98% of the time looking down at her talking points, the woman doesnt have an original thought in her head

Did Trump even have any notes? I feel like he won

how does it feel being a low information voter?

Night10194
Feb 13, 2012

We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

Scooter_McCabe posted:

Lester Holt was as effective as a one legged man in an rear end kicking contest, its going to be a hard sell to make him out as someone biased against Trump.

I wonder if that was an intentional strategy, though, once he saw how it was going. "Wait, no, don't let them pin this poo poo on me, this is all Trump."

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Xae posted:

Lewandowski is attacking the moderator.

Yeah, they know he lost.

drat GOTCHA QUESTIONS!
When will the liberal media leave them alone.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Orange Red Bull posted:

Hillary spent 98% of the time looking down at her talking points, the woman doesnt have an original thought in her head

Did Trump even have any notes? I feel like he won

I don't think Trump had any points to need notes

Khorne
May 1, 2002

DeusExMachinima posted:

wait, do they think he lost in the public eye? I'd have assumed they'd be on the hype train.
Probably? If you weren't thinking "the only way he's coming out ahead here is if hillary collapses" by about halfway through then I'm not convinced we watched the same debate.

I don't blame them if they're thinking this isn't the only debate. People will be most influenced by the last debate probably.

Khorne fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Sep 27, 2016

speng31b
May 8, 2010

Night10194 posted:

I wonder if that was an intentional strategy, though, once he saw how it was going. "Wait, no, don't let them pin this poo poo on me, this is all Trump."

He's biased for not saving Trump from himself

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Scooter_McCabe posted:

Lester Holt was as effective as a one legged man in an rear end kicking contest, its going to be a hard sell to make him out as someone biased against Trump.

I think he did an almost perfect job.

He pushed just enough to call Trumps bullshit, but let him get away with enough petty infractions to dismiss credible claims of bias.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
Trump's stamina gotcha was so, so dumb. I'm convinced he was trying to use it to get a BENGHAZI out on the airwaves and hosed it up.

davebo
Nov 15, 2006

Parallel lines do meet, but they do it incognito
College Slice

Mange Mite posted:

Is this meant to be an insult or what

Not at all. Although I find that most people who THINK Republicans care about their tax rate don't actually make anywhere near enough for Republican policies to benefit them, if those who make that much money are single-issue voters and that issue is their money, then they ought to vote their interests. I wish every American actually got informed on facts and then voted their self-interest. We'd be a lot better off.

Edit: I mean I'd love it if people gave a poo poo about people other than themselves too, but self-interest voting would work just fine.

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

Orange Red Bull posted:

Hillary spent 98% of the time looking down at her talking points, the woman doesnt have an original thought in her head

Did Trump even have any notes? I feel like he won

Concordat
Mar 4, 2007

Secondary Objective: Commit Fraud - Complete

Paul MaudDib posted:

The US is still using F-15s. The airframes today are significantly modernized compared to the 70s-vintage airframes but to be honest there's nothing wrong with fighter jets designed during the 70s. It's not like the laws of physics have changed, slap new electronics on a fresh airframe and it's basically a whole new aircraft.

A few years ago an F-15C disintegrated mid-air, and it was determined to have been caused by a defective part causing excess fatigue, resulting in A, B, C, and D models being grounded and thoroughly inspected. They're getting pretty old, along with the USMC's F/A-18Cs. (The Navy already replaced their older 18s)

The E models of both planes are significantly different and quite a bit newer, and haven't had these problems (yet).

That said, these are reasonably high performance aircraft that get put through a lot more stress than a bomber. They're expected to be replaced by the F-35. The rest of the F-15s will probably be retired when the US either restarts F-22 Raptor production, or starts building the F-22's replacement.

B-52s on the other hand are a slow moving bomb truck that were in production for several decades, and are technically quite old. But after arms reduction treaties a ton of them were partially scrapped or put in the aircraft boneyard. The B-52s still in flight have had a lot of their parts replaced from these scrapped planes, and are basically flying Ships of Theseus.

I can't really speak to the age of the other two components of the nuclear triad though.

Concordat fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Sep 27, 2016

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Concordat posted:

A few years ago an F-15C disintegrated mid-air, and it was determined to have been caused by a defective part causing excess fatigue, resulting in A, B, C, and D models being grounded and thoroughly inspected. They're getting pretty old, along with the USMC's F/A-18Cs. (The Navy already replaced their older 18s)

The E models of both planes are significantly different and quite a bit newer, and haven't had these problems (yet).

That said, these are reasonably high performance aircraft expected to pull a lot of Gs. They're expected to be replaced by the F-35. The rest of the F-15s will probably be retired when the US either restarts F-22 Raptor production, or starts building the F-22's replacement.

B-52s on the other hand are slow moving bomb truck that were in production for several decades, and are technically quite old. But after arms reduction treaties a ton of them were partially scrapped or put in the aircraft boneyard. The B-52s still in flight have had a lot of their parts replaced from these scrapped planes, and are basically flying Ships of Theseus.

I can't really speak to the age of the other two components of the nuclear triad though.

Bombers are the least important piece of the Triad.

We have enough missiles in the ground and at sea to annihilate humanity. And unlike bombers there is still no "counter" to a ballistic missile.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

FilthyImp posted:

Trump's stamina gotcha was so, so dumb. I'm convinced he was trying to use it to get a BENGHAZI out on the airwaves and hosed it up.

Saw a tweet saying 'I HAS STAMINA - Noob roleplay mistake, you need to put points into intellect and charmisa too'.

Alkabob
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please
Over at Reddit the Trumpers are forming Polling Brigades and linked several polls to rush. Its almost like you have to go with your gut feeling about who wins and loses televised circus debates these days :V

Zeeman
May 8, 2007

Say WHAT?! You KNOW that post is wack, homie!
I've been seeing some Trump supporters desperately claiming that Holt didn't ask her difficult questions, but the cybersecurity question was such an obvious setup about the emails that he completely hosed up. He seemed legitimately thrown off when she said she made a mistake earlier, like it's unfathomable for someone to admit they were wrong.

Alkydere
Jun 7, 2010
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Night10194 posted:

I wonder if that was an intentional strategy, though, once he saw how it was going. "Wait, no, don't let them pin this poo poo on me, this is all Trump."

That bit at the end where he basically said "Hey, Donald, why don't you insult and spit on your opponent to her face since she's right here?" Had to be intentional. Holy poo poo, he had to know exactly what would happen when he asked Trump "You've said some mean about your opponent, is there anything you'd like to say to her now that she's here?"

I'm pretty sure Holt was fed up with Trump and that question was 100% plantedjust to make him look like even more of a sexist idiot.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Orange Red Bull posted:

Hillary spent 98% of the time looking down at her talking points, the woman doesnt have an original thought in her head

Did Trump even have any notes? I feel like he won

Trump doesn't need notes. All the notes are inside his brain, which is the best brain, and those notes are composed of the best words, which he has. Lots of people say he has a great brain with great words.

Alkabob
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please

Xae posted:

Bombers are the least important piece of the Triad.

We have enough missiles in the ground and at sea to annihilate humanity. And unlike bombers there is still no "counter" to a ballistic missile.



Let me tell you about mine shafts my friend.

Concordat
Mar 4, 2007

Secondary Objective: Commit Fraud - Complete

Xae posted:

Bombers are the least important piece of the Triad.

We have enough missiles in the ground and at sea to annihilate humanity. And unlike bombers there is still no "counter" to a ballistic missile.

I wouldn't be so sure about there being no counter, the US withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty in 2002 for a reason.

I would agree about B-52s not being particularly important in the triad, since they require uncontested airspace. B-2s on the other hand...

BetterToRuleInHell
Jul 2, 2007

Touch my mask top
Get the chop chop
More CNN/ORC post debate polling:

Who had better understanding of the issues?

68% Clinton
27% Trump

Did Clinton appear presidential?

67% Yes
28% No

did Trump appear presidential?

44% Yes
55% No

I may have fudged a little on recapping them, my apologies. Also the polling is weighted more democratic.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Mange Mite posted:

I thought he wasn't supposed to do that

I guess the clowns will come and check on him.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Xae posted:

Bombers are the least important piece of the Triad.

We have enough missiles in the ground and at sea to annihilate humanity. And unlike bombers there is still no "counter" to a ballistic missile.

There isn't really any counter to a B-2 either

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

Aineris posted:

Alright, so I'm kind of an intentionally ignorant voter, and I've never really weighed in on US politics before. I've been staying out of the political game for a long time now, because ultimately I have a distrust of the US media narrative for a lot of different reasons, most of which are probably valid. I've also lived in Seattle most of my life, so nobody really gives a poo poo what I think because our state will go with whoever is the Democratic candidate regardless, and it truly does not mater who I support. Anyway, I mention this all because I really came into the debate wanting both candidates to lose, because I didn't initially respect either one of them. I was previously planning on voting third party as a protest vote (Jill Stein). Furthermore, I've always hated the presidential "debates" because I've felt that it's merely a pulpit to spew talking points rather than any serious analysis of whatever the issues of the day currently are. Anyway, I came out of this thing as a firm Hilary supporter, and I'll vote for her now. I don't really agree with her 100%, but I think she'd be good enough.

That said, I really wish that the debate moderator would grow some balls and have cut Trump off when he was obviously running long spewing his bullshit. I also really wish we could have an actual debate where it's okay to reconsider a viewpoint on an issue given a good argument by the other party.

I mean, that's good, but why the gently caress would you originally vote for Jill Stein, the one candidate who might be worse than Trump cause she's that much more of an idiot moron rear end in a top hat

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Navy nukes have this poo poo on lock, don't be concerned about deterrence theory.

Alkabob
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please
The important thing is there are two more debates and if Trump loses the next one he is guaranteed to go off the rails in the third, fly into the audience and take out the first 6 rows in a fiery explosion.

speng31b
May 8, 2010

Scooter_McCabe posted:

The important thing is there are two more debates and if Trump loses the next one he is guaranteed to go off the rails in the third, fly into the audience and take out the first 6 rows in a fiery explosion.

He will need to be actually sedated live on stage with elephant tranquilizers.

Purgatory Glory
Feb 20, 2005

Scooter_McCabe posted:

The important thing is there are two more debates and if Trump loses the next one he is guaranteed to go off the rails in the third, fly into the audience and take out the first 6 rows in a fiery explosion.

Based on the audiences behaviour tonight I don't think that is a bad thing.

nooneofconsequence
Oct 30, 2012

she had tiny Italian boobs.
Well that's my story.

Are our airports really that bad?

Alkabob
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please

nooneofconsequence posted:

Are our airports really that bad?

No where close to bad. Having traveled through several major hubs and even some smaller ones our airports are actually pretty nice. When I flew into Greece now that was a poo poo show.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

nooneofconsequence posted:

Are our airports really that bad?

gently caress no. TPA is a drat fine airport and I'd imagine it isn't even in the nation's top 5. Trump continually flies between Ft. Lauderdale and Newark, probably. Not that they're bad airports but that dipshit probably uses backwoods "executive" airports in ex/far suburban areas where nobody gives a poo poo.

You want a scary airport? Lukla is a scary airport, not in terms of human security but because it's a poorly paved, inclined strip that ends in the side of a mountain on one end and a cliff on the other. You have to have perfect conditions to fly in or out, so flight ops will get halted for days at a time. It has 4 parking spots for planes, and you basically have a choice of maybe 3 different types of turboprop that can handle taking off on that runway at that altitude.

FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 05:35 on Sep 27, 2016

J33uk
Oct 24, 2005

nooneofconsequence posted:

Are our airports really that bad?

Varies massively from Airport to Airport. Some of the terminals at LGA are pretty grim

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davebo
Nov 15, 2006

Parallel lines do meet, but they do it incognito
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nooneofconsequence posted:

Are our airports really that bad?

I'm sure compared to Dubai they're lacking but why would we want to be like Dubai?

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