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Steakandchips posted:Agreed. I have a 3 month wait for the m1.... How does ordering the M1 work anyway? The Ncase site says now orders made before 23/9 will ship on 27/9 etc, but at the same time people are also saying they have been waiting quite a while for their orders. I'm looking to build a mITX PC, just not right at this moment, but if the wait is 3+ months, then I figure I might as well order ASAP.
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Mine shipped around the time they said it'd ship, which was a month and a bit after I placed the order. Just remember it takes about 4-7 days from shipping to arrive. They quite clearly do it in batches from their factory/QC process in asia and it depends on the number of orders depending on which batch you're gonna be getting. [edit] although I remember getting an email saying it was ready to be shipped, then a week or two later I got an email from some delivery service(?) saying it had shipped, then it arrived like a day later. Weird email schedule. tuna fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Sep 10, 2016 |
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NihilCredo posted:The ASRock is probably better in the abstract, but you need to look at the features your specific use case calls for. Bookmark this: I settled on that Asrock board due to the USB C port. Only two boards have a USB C port at the moment.
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Shanghaied posted:How does ordering the M1 work anyway? The Ncase site says now orders made before 23/9 will ship on 27/9 etc, but at the same time people are also saying they have been waiting quite a while for their orders. I'm looking to build a mITX PC, just not right at this moment, but if the wait is 3+ months, then I figure I might as well order ASAP. I'll let you know when my m1 arrives.
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Shanghaied posted:How does ordering the M1 work anyway? The Ncase site says now orders made before 23/9 will ship on 27/9 etc, but at the same time people are also saying they have been waiting quite a while for their orders. I'm looking to build a mITX PC, just not right at this moment, but if the wait is 3+ months, then I figure I might as well order ASAP.
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Does anyone know how to find how much power a USB Type-C port will actually deliver? The ASRock Fatal1ty ITX/ac specifications list that its type-C port will deliver 3A, but it doesn't say at what voltages. Does this imply that it will deliver 3 amps at all specified voltages (thus, up to 60 W at 20 V)? Or are they being weaselly shits about this and the board only supports 5V or 12V? edit: Yes, I've googled this, and every single result is a press release stating that type-C supports "up to" 5A and 20V, I just want to know if anyone has done homework to find real numbers, or has some inside scoop, or has some resource I can look at where I can find real-world information. lock stock and Cheryl fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Sep 10, 2016 |
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Hmm looks like I might just order before the 23rd then... I'm also looking at the ASrock z170 itx/ac. I've always been an Asus guy, but feature-wise the ASRock seems a better choice. Although the reviews on Newegg for example is a bit mixed. Anyone has any personal experience with the board that they are willing to share? What do people actually use the type-c port for anyway? I have one on my phone and another on my laptop but I've never used them for anything besides charging my phone. Do all USB-C ports support things like VGA and DP?
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Shanghaied posted:Do all USB-C ports support things like VGA and DP?
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Ncase M1 chat. Ordered July 1st, got it around August 10th.
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I completed my I5 6500 and reference GTX 1060 in a RVZ-02 build a couple weeks ago and this thing slays. Running Overwatch maxed out with the frame rate capped at 75 and the GPU maybe hits 73C from time to time. Looks like my temp concerns were overblown. Also it's astonishingly quiet, I'm really happy with this build. Cable management was a little touch and go but I doubt I'll ever go back to a standard sized tower.
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Quite A Tool posted:I completed my I5 6500 and reference GTX 1060 in a RVZ-02 build a couple weeks ago and this thing slays. Running Overwatch maxed out with the frame rate capped at 75 and the GPU maybe hits 73C from time to time. Looks like my temp concerns were overblown. Nice, what did you do for cooling?
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beepsandboops posted:Nice, what did you do for cooling? This is my question. I impulse bought a Node 202 a while back and have yet to rebuild my gaming machine into it (which I plan to do), however I've had some buyers remorse as I've realized the degree in which I'd be constrained with my cooling options. This is stupidly obvious in hindsight. I've been considering utilizing it for an HTPC or workstation build and going with an Ncase M1 (or something similar) when I move on to my gaming pc build, but if it can handle high/top end components without tons of heat I may reconsider.
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I have a 1080 with an open-style cooler (Asus Strix OC) that I'd like to eventually shove into an M1 build. How much am I going to regret that? Are there steps I can take to make it not turn into a toaster? Never worked with a case that small.
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If you could get a nice cooler for your CPU you'd probably be fairly well off. This guy did similar: https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/4pvk4r/build_complete_asus_strix_1080_fits_in_the_ncase/
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beepsandboops posted:Nice, what did you do for cooling? I went with the Silverstone AR-06. The case itself doesn't support fans, but I went with the one with the removable dust covers and not the clear sides.
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Just over a year ago, I built myself a new PC with a Node 304 case and I'm really loving the small form factor. 4690K + 980Ti inside it, with a 1440p 144Hz IPS screen + 1080p secondary monitor in portrait. Definitely sticking with this form factor in the future. 
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multi GPU for games is really edge case, and with that, the need for full size and mid size towers are edge case as well. because of the smart phone, almost all the R&D in chip design over the last 5 years is not toward raw power, but performace per watt. My Sandy Bridge i5-2500 (non-k) at 3.3Ghz is still totally fine for my 1080p needs, and my Fractal R3 from 5 years ago gives it room to breathe and stay cool/quiet at the same time, but there is soooo much empty space inside my box. More efficient CPUs, single card GPU practicality, SSDs (and even m.2 blade SSDs!) over big noisy, hot platter drives, obsolescence of optical drives. It's a beautiful world. My goal with my next build is to go from my current 47L 1080p/60 box to a 4k/60 box in less than half the size of the R3. If my 970 can hold out until the 1180ti or 1280 come along, that should be possible. At this point, I've narrowed my options to a Node 304 if I build it myself or a Falcon NW fragbox if I end up buying a pre-built.
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Anyone else have success in finding another case that fits inside of a Pelican 1510 besides the Silverstone Sugo 13B? Going to two Dreamhack's in 2017 and want to build a new machine, I know the S13B fits but before I jumped all over it was just curious if anyone has done anything like that before.
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Getting a 1070 for my skylake nano s build today  Feels cool to have so much power in a computer this small
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Does anyone have a link to that super handy picture that had silhouettes of a bunch of popular ITX cases for size comparison purposes? edit: never mind, found it a couple pages back I looked at a couple cases at Microcenter yesterday. I wish NXZT made a practical ITX case; the manta is lol huge. Probably end up going with the Fractal Nano but even that is a little bigger than what I'd like. mega dy fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Sep 26, 2016 |
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Shanghaied posted:I'm also looking at the ASrock z170 itx/ac. I've always been an Asus guy, but feature-wise the ASRock seems a better choice. Although the reviews on Newegg for example is a bit mixed. Anyone has any personal experience with the board that they are willing to share? EDIT: To be clear, comments are regarding the ASRock Gaming ITX like the previous posters, not the "base" one (but that one doesn't have Type-C so...probably you're asking about the Gaming). lurksion fucked around with this message at 02:45 on Sep 27, 2016 |
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So I'm looking to build a mini-ITX machine to replace my six-year old ATX beast, but the last machine I've built entirely from scratch was that one, so I'm out of the loop on what mini-ITX can do these days. I'm rather taken with the form factor of the Node 202 and RVZ02, but I wanted to go with a i5 6600K/GTX 1070 build with a little overclocking. The reviews I've found are kind of mixed on whether or not it'll actually work out alright, but I'm not sure exactly how much cooler the current generation of parts runs compared to the previous gen stuff most reviewers stuck in them when those cases came out. If cooling is actually a concern, would one of those acctually suffice, or should I instead focus on a slightly larger case like the Fractal Core 500 or the Define Nano S that'll allow me to utilize a full-sized CPU cooler and provide enough slots for fans? The Ncase M1 looks basically perfect, but I'm having trouble justifying three times the cost over the other cases I've been looking at. Baldrash fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Sep 27, 2016 |
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Baldrash posted:So I'm looking to build a mini-ITX machine to replace my six-year old ATX beast, but the last machine I've built entirely from scratch was that one, so I'm out of the loop on what mini-ITX can do these days.
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I'm glad this thread is here as I'm looking to build a slimline gaming PC to save some desk space. It's been a few years since I last build a computer so I have a few questions about these: 1. I've never bought a motherboard with built in WiFi. Do these tend to work better than PCI or USB solutions? The WiFi in my house is pretty lovely so do they usually come with attachable antennas I can move around? Am I still able to add a USB adapter if I find it doesn't work well? 2. I will probably go for a flat style (are these called HTPC style?) slim case. One that ideally I can stand vertically or horizontally. Do these perform any differently than the chunkier cube like cases as far as temperatures and such go? Should I be careful about having these in an enclosed space like mounted under a desk. Could I put something like an Xbox One on top? 3. I see people here talking about some of these kickstarter cases (A4/M1) which look interesting. Should I also look into those? 4. I don't have a need for a ton of hard drives. Will opt for an SSD and whatever else for extra storage. Any reason I shouldn't use a tiny external drive or laptop drive here? I'm probably looking at getting an i5-6600 and a GTX 1070 if that help with heat/size.
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Baldrash posted:So I'm looking to build a mini-ITX machine to replace my six-year old ATX beast, but the last machine I've built entirely from scratch was that one, so I'm out of the loop on what mini-ITX can do these days. I'm getting very good temps with the nano s, about 65-70 c for the CPU (overclocked to 4.7 GHZ) and 60-70 c for the 1070, also overclocked to about 2050 mhz, while playing GTA V. Best part it's dead quiet and has great fan filters. edit: regarding wifi (post above), the Z170I PRO GAMING has a really good external antenna included, it flips up and has a long cable. very solid board with great uefi and overclocking too AEMINAL fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Sep 27, 2016 |
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Fists Up posted:
They typically *work fine*, but are usually low end chips made by ASMedia and Broadcom. Not intended to be user replaceable, but I know with some mobos you can usually swap in a different better Intel card if you don't mind prying the protective shield off and probably voiding your warranty. For example my Asus Z170I's built in wifi is just an M.2 card under a metal shield that can be pryed off and swapped.
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Also antenna attachments are standard, so if the bundled antenna doesn't work well you can replace it. I didn't like the one that came with my asrock mobo (i mean aesthetically, performance was fine) so I got a pair of bunny ears for like 15€. If you have bad reception you can get some humongous ones, perhaps they help. Some motherboards also have the wifi card mounted on a mini pcie port, so you can upgrade it or replace it if it breaks, although neither scenario is particularly likely. USB WiFi adapters will always work regardless.
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AEMINAL posted:I'm getting very good temps with the nano s, about 65-70 c for the CPU (overclocked to 4.7 GHZ) and 60-70 c for the 1070, also overclocked to about 2050 mhz, while playing GTA V. I just built a system in a Nano S and can't recommend it enough. If you're passionate about getting as small as possible it's not your pick, but if you just think the lingering ATX trend is silly it's a great simple choice that saves you some space while still being stupid easy to work in and shop parts for, and it's quieter than an almost identical build I have in my own R5. The only thing you have to worry about is that the PSU will block one of your GPU fans, so go for a blower or a triple fan. We used a double and it works fine, but the overclock was slightly reduced. Also seconding the Z170 PRO GAMING nod, that thing blows most mATX options out of the water in terms of practical features, let alone mITX
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Your Loyal Vizier posted:I just built a system in a Nano S and can't recommend it enough. If you're passionate about getting as small as possible it's not your pick, but if you just think the lingering ATX trend is silly it's a great simple choice that saves you some space while still being stupid easy to work in and shop parts for, and it's quieter than an almost identical build I have in my own R5. The only thing you have to worry about is that the PSU will block one of your GPU fans, so go for a blower or a triple fan. We used a double and it works fine, but the overclock was slightly reduced. I kind of feel like Fractal should have made the Nano S 3-slot, so then you've got an extra bit of space between the GPU and PSU, and you could also freely add a fan controller or some other I/O plate if you so desired, but it of course means extra size. Actually, better idea: if the PSU could be moved to the front of the case with a power extension to the back, that would also resolve it without changing the size of the case at all.. You could also have floor intakes blowing directly on the GPU that way. vv My guess is the only reason they don't currently design it that way is because they want to leave the front clear for giant watercooling radiators, but it would be really nice if they supplied the extension cable, a rear plate to cover the PSU hole (with power receptacle) and some mounting holes up front for the PSU so you could decide where you want it HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Sep 27, 2016 |
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HalloKitty posted:If the PSU could be moved to the front of the case with a power extension to the back, that would also resolve it without changing the size of the case at all.. You could also have floor intakes blowing directly on the GPU that way. That would be fantastic  Hopefully manufacturers take note of that trick and we start seeing it in more stuff than just the M1
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SFX power supplies are a wasteland, are there any cool slim chassis that don't use those goddamned things
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:SFX power supplies are a wasteland, are there any cool slim chassis that don't use those goddamned things We don't need tons of options when the SilverStone offerings are so good and pretty reasonably priced. I use SFX in ITX builds, even when the case supports ATX power supplies, because the savings in internal volume make everything easier and if I decide to rebuild into another case I still have all my options open. It's not so bad is what I'm saying.
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There's some pretty drat small cases that take ATX power supplies, silverstone SG13 comes to mind. Not slim though, shoebox style. Everything I can think of in a slim style is SFX though.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:SFX power supplies are a wasteland, are there any cool slim chassis that don't use those goddamned things
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beepsandboops posted:What don't you like about the current SFX offerings? I have a Corsair SF 450 and love it Given an hour to think about it, I think I should dehumanize myself and face to bloodshed and buy a case that supports SFX-L
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Why exactly do you need capacity in an SFF build again? Throwing a 295X2 in there or something? You can't exactly SLI in a SFF case, and no single card GPU other that one will push you past 450W. Just wondering what the use case you're thinking of that would require that. lurksion fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Sep 28, 2016 |
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Only one vendor worth a poo poo selling small SFX PSUs with any capacity, namely Silverstone. Going to have to second the SF450, I have one and I have never once heard the fan spin up. SF 600 not as good, but unless you're going with an HD PLEX 250W with a Brick you can't beat the semi-fanless mode on the SF450
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:Only one vendor worth a poo poo selling small SFX PSUs with any capacity, namely Silverstone. Yeah, especially since Corsair SFX rates higher on johnny guru than silver stone, you have at least two vendors. Lian Li is coming in with a 750w that is the same OEM as Silverstone 800w as well.
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