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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:So, is there a left-wing equivalent of Pepe? A meme that's pretty much exclusively used by the left, even if it didn't start that way. Friend and I were idly talking about it. Twitter has a pretty strong left slant so there's got to be something. dril maybe?
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A Winner is Jew posted:Newsom will probably be too busy being the CA governor still. I think he would be ready to try to upgrade after 6 years of being governor
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theflyingorc posted:lol i wonder if any members of trump's campaign put two and two together This already ahppened, there's a new article about his DC staffers just walking off the job because they got nothing. At least Mittens and Wallmart give giftcards where you lose 95% of the value. just activating them.
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The cool thing about Trump cherry picking polls that he won is it means he is less likely to learn from getting pounded by the first debate
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DICKS FOR DINNER posted:The Dean thing was dumb as hell but yeah I don't think any of this really has much traction, so long as they don't keep rolling it out trying to make "is Trump a cokehead???" a thing. Leo Strauss sez: Winners Don't Do Drugs
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:So, is there a left-wing equivalent of Pepe? A meme that's pretty much exclusively used by the left, even if it didn't start that way. Friend and I were idly talking about it. Twitter has a pretty strong left slant so there's got to be something. 
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Putin really, really wants to have Trump in the White House. How much control does he think he could exert over Trump without his proxies? I guess just having an idoit ruining the country as much as possible would be reward enough.
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it's sad pepe got co-opted by the alt right. a rare pepe was a beautiful thing.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:The cool thing about Trump cherry picking polls that he won is it means he is less likely to learn from getting pounded by the first debate This is the thing I'm loving about this. Romney putting up a bubble of sycophants doomed his campaign, with the whole right wing media machine joining in shouting LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU, and now Trump is doing the very same thing magnified 3 times over. Literally everything about the Trump campaign is a manifestation of the GOP's total and utter inability to exhibit introspection or learn from history.
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It's been days now and I still can't figure it, so someone is going to have to explain to me how Trump lost the debate. I don't doubt that he did. Public and media opinion has definitely taken a turn since Monday, but I can not see how people watched the debated and then decided that Trump wasn't their guy. He was an idiotic ("Barron knows computers" on cyber security), patently self interested (not paying taxes makes me smart), misogynistic (Secretary Clinton, is that okay?), liar (almost everything). Thing is, he's always been that brand of rear end in a top hat. Any speech he's given has displayed one of the qualities I listed above, and that's not even addressing his nationalism, racism, and every other ugly tribalism bullshit characteristic he demonstrates. How did Monday night change people's minds? How was contrast between a serious public servant and the brain damaged offspring of Baron Harkonnen not obvious before now? I know not everyone is as into politics as those of us who frequent a US politics thread on a dead comedy forum but this stuff has been unavoidable for a year. Who the gently caress dismissed everything that came before but then saw this debate and was somehow swayed? Just..how?
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The Puppy Bowl posted:It's been days now and I still can't figure it, so someone is going to have to explain to me how Trump lost the debate. I don't doubt that he did. Public and media opinion has definitely taken a turn since Monday, but I can not see how people watched the debated and then decided that Trump wasn't their guy. He was an idiotic ("Barron knows computers" on cyber security), patently self interested (not paying taxes makes me smart), misogynistic (Secretary Clinton, is that okay?), liar (almost everything). Thing is, he's always been that brand of rear end in a top hat. Any speech he's given has displayed one of the qualities I listed above, and that's not even addressing his nationalism, racism, and every other ugly tribalism bullshit characteristic he demonstrates. How did Monday night change people's minds? How was contrast between a serious public servant and the brain damaged offspring of Baron Harkonnen not obvious before now? Depends on how you define winning a debate. Did it appeal to his supporters? Probably. Did it convince a majority of Americans to vote for him in 6 six weeks? Egghghghghhhh...
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Zophar posted:This is the thing I'm loving about this. Romney putting up a bubble of sycophants doomed his campaign, with the whole right wing media machine joining in shouting LA LA LA CAN'T HEAR YOU, and now Trump is doing the very same thing magnified 3 times over. I want Trump to show up naked at a rally and complete his transformation into the Emperor's New Clothes.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:It's been days now and I still can't figure it, so someone is going to have to explain to me how Trump lost the debate. I don't doubt that he did. Public and media opinion has definitely taken a turn since Monday, but I can not see how people watched the debated and then decided that Trump wasn't their guy. He was an idiotic ("Barron knows computers" on cyber security), patently self interested (not paying taxes makes me smart), misogynistic (Secretary Clinton, is that okay?), liar (almost everything). Thing is, he's always been that brand of rear end in a top hat. Any speech he's given has displayed one of the qualities I listed above, and that's not even addressing his nationalism, racism, and every other ugly tribalism bullshit characteristic he demonstrates. How did Monday night change people's minds? How was contrast between a serious public servant and the brain damaged offspring of Baron Harkonnen not obvious before now? If you have to ask then you'll never understand.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Who the gently caress dismissed everything that came before but then saw this debate and was somehow swayed? Just..how? nobody who watched the debate was swayed and if they claim they were they're lying through their teeth.
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Is there something here I'm not getting https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/28/senate-obama-veto-september-11-bill-saudi-arabia
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The Puppy Bowl posted:It's been days now and I still can't figure it, so someone is going to have to explain to me how Trump lost the debate. I don't doubt that he did. Public and media opinion has definitely taken a turn since Monday, but I can not see how people watched the debated and then decided that Trump wasn't their guy. He was an idiotic ("Barron knows computers" on cyber security), patently self interested (not paying taxes makes me smart), misogynistic (Secretary Clinton, is that okay?), liar (almost everything). Thing is, he's always been that brand of rear end in a top hat. Any speech he's given has displayed one of the qualities I listed above, and that's not even addressing his nationalism, racism, and every other ugly tribalism bullshit characteristic he demonstrates. How did Monday night change people's minds? How was contrast between a serious public servant and the brain damaged offspring of Baron Harkonnen not obvious before now? Because it isn't usually presented in direct contrast to his opponent via her being right there on the stage with him.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:I want Trump to show up naked Please god no
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As others have said, its not about convincing Trump supporters to abandon ship Its convincing undecideds to get on board
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:So, is there a left-wing equivalent of Pepe? A meme that's pretty much exclusively used by the left, even if it didn't start that way. Friend and I were idly talking about it. Twitter has a pretty strong left slant so there's got to be something. Slay queen yaaaass
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Mel Mudkiper posted:As others have said, its not about convincing Trump supporters to abandon ship Not just undecideds, either. The debate will help Hillary GOTV. Unless you're counting undecideds in there with them.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:It's been days now and I still can't figure it, so someone is going to have to explain to me how Trump lost the debate. I don't doubt that he did. Public and media opinion has definitely taken a turn since Monday, but I can not see how people watched the debated and then decided that Trump wasn't their guy. He was an idiotic ("Barron knows computers" on cyber security), patently self interested (not paying taxes makes me smart), misogynistic (Secretary Clinton, is that okay?), liar (almost everything). Thing is, he's always been that brand of rear end in a top hat. Any speech he's given has displayed one of the qualities I listed above, and that's not even addressing his nationalism, racism, and every other ugly tribalism bullshit characteristic he demonstrates. How did Monday night change people's minds? How was contrast between a serious public servant and the brain damaged offspring of Baron Harkonnen not obvious before now? Seeing the two of them side by side is different than seeing them both speaking separately, and a lot of people have only heard sound bites up until this point. Hearing the two of them talk in longer form is more illuminating.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:It's been days now and I still can't figure it, so someone is going to have to explain to me how Trump lost the debate. I don't doubt that he did. Public and media opinion has definitely taken a turn since Monday, but I can not see how people watched the debated and then decided that Trump wasn't their guy. He was an idiotic ("Barron knows computers" on cyber security), patently self interested (not paying taxes makes me smart), misogynistic (Secretary Clinton, is that okay?), liar (almost everything). Thing is, he's always been that brand of rear end in a top hat. Any speech he's given has displayed one of the qualities I listed above, and that's not even addressing his nationalism, racism, and every other ugly tribalism bullshit characteristic he demonstrates. How did Monday night change people's minds? How was contrast between a serious public servant and the brain damaged offspring of Baron Harkonnen not obvious before now? E: Also yeah, Hillary is providing a direct contrast the whole time.
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Groovelord Neato posted:nobody who watched the debate was swayed and if they claim that they're lying through their teeth. I mean swayed to Clinton. She was on point and all but nothing has changed. He's always been grossly unqualified and she has been blatantly pointing it out for 6 months, when Trump isn't doing it himself. I just need to know what happened on Monday that actually changed the equation. The media and public obviously are leaning Dem at the moment. I just have no idea why.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:It's been days now and I still can't figure it, so someone is going to have to explain to me how Trump lost the debate. I don't doubt that he did. Public and media opinion has definitely taken a turn since Monday, but I can not see how people watched the debated and then decided that Trump wasn't their guy. He was an idiotic ("Barron knows computers" on cyber security), patently self interested (not paying taxes makes me smart), misogynistic (Secretary Clinton, is that okay?), liar (almost everything). Thing is, he's always been that brand of rear end in a top hat. Any speech he's given has displayed one of the qualities I listed above, and that's not even addressing his nationalism, racism, and every other ugly tribalism bullshit characteristic he demonstrates. How did Monday night change people's minds? How was contrast between a serious public servant and the brain damaged offspring of Baron Harkonnen not obvious before now? very few people's minds were changed by the debate. to me, the point is that it demonstrated how little effort trump puts into his own campaign. it was the first time he had to face his opponent, in front of an audience of tens of millions of people, and he got ambushed and completely humilated, because he did not prepare in a realistic fashion. this is just indicative of the lack of attention to detail, the complete lack of professionality that has gone into his campaign, and it demonstrates that he's not going to make the hard effort necessary in this final leg of the campaign to reverse his sagging fortunes The Puppy Bowl posted:I mean swayed to Clinton. She was on point and all but nothing has changed. He's always been grossly unqualified and she has been blatantly pointing it out for 6 months, when Trump isn't doing it himself. I just need to know what happened on Monday that actually changed the equation. The media and public obviously are leaning Dem at the moment. I just have no idea why. before monday, there was still a chance for trump to pull out a late game strategy that might close the gap. he is clearly not going to do anything like that, so now it's more permissible to treat trump like the joke that he is
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Pakled posted:Seeing the two of them side by side is different than seeing them both speaking separately, and a lot of people have only heard sound bites up until this point. Hearing the two of them talk in longer form is more illuminating. It was shocking to see how stark the difference was when they were both on stage. I never in my wildest dreams thought he could melt down like that. Never. I can't imagine how it looked for truly undecideds that haven't paid attention to politics the last 6 months. Somehow.
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Islam is the Lite Rock FM posted:Not just undecideds, either. The debate will help Hillary GOTV. Unless you're counting undecideds in there with them. I'm a fan of the theory that undecideds are actually just disaffected Democrats and Republicans who would never vote for the other guy but need to be convinced to vote for their own, so yeah I would count it as GOTV.
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Night10194 posted:Because it isn't usually presented in direct contrast to his opponent via her being right there on the stage with him. Not only that, but the media has been obsessively covering Trump in false equivalency terms and basically ignoring Clinton in favor of her non-scandals, to present the narrative of "both sides are equally bad" that uninformed stupid people desire to believe. Actually seeing them on stage next to each other and having an uncut, unfiltered view of both - Clinton actually having policy positions and knowledge, Trump being Really That Bad - was probably a wake up call to a lot of people who weren't really tuning in before. Also it's not about changing minds, it's about turnout. It was demoralizing for many Republicans to watch their candidate commit ritual suicide on stage and then get eviscerated by the media. Hence, he lost.
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PhazonLink posted:This already ahppened, there's a new article about his DC staffers just walking off the job because they got nothing. Got a link? this sounds like it would be fascinating.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:It's been days now and I still can't figure it, so someone is going to have to explain to me how Trump lost the debate. I don't doubt that he did. Public and media opinion has definitely taken a turn since Monday, but I can not see how people watched the debated and then decided that Trump wasn't their guy. He was an idiotic ("Barron knows computers" on cyber security), patently self interested (not paying taxes makes me smart), misogynistic (Secretary Clinton, is that okay?), liar (almost everything). Thing is, he's always been that brand of rear end in a top hat. Any speech he's given has displayed one of the qualities I listed above, and that's not even addressing his nationalism, racism, and every other ugly tribalism bullshit characteristic he demonstrates. How did Monday night change people's minds? How was contrast between a serious public servant and the brain damaged offspring of Baron Harkonnen not obvious before now? Hillary laughed at him to his face and he looked like a weak idiot baby next to her. If this debate convinced you of anything you didn't already know then yeah you're a huge idiot, but then we're talking about the American electorate here
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:So, is there a left-wing equivalent of Pepe? A meme that's pretty much exclusively used by the left, even if it didn't start that way. Friend and I were idly talking about it. Twitter has a pretty strong left slant so there's got to be something. Cultural Appropriation
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The Puppy Bowl posted:I mean swayed to Clinton. She was on point and all but nothing has changed. He's always been grossly unqualified and she has been blatantly pointing it out for 6 months, when Trump isn't doing it himself. I just need to know what happened on Monday that actually changed the equation. The media and public obviously are leaning Dem at the moment. I just have no idea why. Part of what swayed it to Clinton: she was up there, she had the knowledge, she was healthy and she proved that she's actually a human being. Like, seriously. People get hit so much with forced Clinton scandals and "Hillary Clinton: Is She Actually a Literal Goblin?" stories from people 'just asking questions' that they don't really think of her as a person and start thinking of her as some sort of hateful e-mail golem made up of corruption and Benghazi. Seeing her laugh at Trump's insane statements and doing her weird little shoulder shimmy helps dispel that. Also doesn't hurt that her demeanor could be contrasted with the fat snorting minotaur directly next to her.
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lozzle posted:I'm a fan of the theory that undecideds are actually just disaffected Democrats and Republicans who would never vote for the other guy but need to be convinced to vote for their own, so yeah I would count it as GOTV.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:So, is there a left-wing equivalent of Pepe? A meme that's pretty much exclusively used by the left, even if it didn't start that way. Friend and I were idly talking about it. Twitter has a pretty strong left slant so there's got to be something. Dolan, for some reason.
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Trump snarling "where did you find this? WHERE DID YOU FIND THIS?" as Hillary revealed a damning anecdote about him instead of denying it or saying literally anything else at all was a perfect moment. She probably didn't think she'd get that reaction in her wildest dreams.
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Jewel Repetition posted:Is there something here I'm not getting Congressmen and Senators don't want to be on the other side of a bill as 9/11 families and the same side as Arabs and therefore don't care about legalities like "sovereign immunity" and "international law." Obama is not running for election ever again and does care.
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I think it's less about getting undecideds to vote for Hillary and more about getting undecideds to just not vote. They share Trump's values and are impressed with his cult of personality but they don't want the label of having voted for a racist. Hopefully if they see their candidate beside someone who actually knows what they're talking about they can be demoralized into staying home.
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I suspect that a lot of people were waiting until the debates to choose, or even to pay close attention. Trust in the media is really, really low. Seeing the candidates side-by-side allows someone who doesn't want to follow the spin to make a decision based on their own judgement. Also, seeing Hillary vs Trump humanized Clinton a great deal while most people's impression of her came from years of "objective" reporting on partisan scandals, whereas Trump's behavior verified a lot of what was has been said against him.
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