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sweart gliwere
Jul 5, 2005

better to die an evil wizard,
than to live as a grand one.
Pillbug

Coffee And Pie posted:

America is pretty irredeemable, huh? Think ima just flee to Switzerland, seems like they have their poo poo on lock.

*bans minarets all across Switzerland via voter referendum, right after USA gets its first black president*

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Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

Bast Relief posted:

An old friend who never posts on Facebook called me out on Facebook yesterday for my Hillary support, claiming that she is center right at best. He then listed all the crap she's been involved in that I shouldn't like. He also said I'd be kidding myself if I think she's going to make good on any of the progressive policies she claims to support. He didn't offer any alternatives and agreed with me that Jill and the Green Party are terrible options.

Now, the guy has dual citizenship and grew up abroad. I think that colors his perspective. The truth is, America is a conservative nation, despite how our movies and TV shows might make us look. What else does he think is going to happen?

Im not sure the US really is a "conservative nation." More people identify as conservatives, probably as a result of the right's skill at poisoning the word "liberal," but when you ask about specific policies, the liberal ideas are usually more popular. It's similar to how people hate "Obamacare" but love everything in it.

Instant Sunrise posted:

MacArthur thought that using nukes in Korea was a good idea so what MacArthur would think is pretty much irrelevant.
Whereas Trump thinks China invading North Korea is a good idea. Suddenly the MacArthur comment makes sense.

Jurgan fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Sep 28, 2016

Pomplamoose
Jun 28, 2008

I don't even know where to start.

Proust Malone
Apr 4, 2008

moist turtleneck posted:

Yes but would General MacArthur be mad that Hillary has an overview on how to fight ISIS on her website? That was one of my favorite arguments

Gen. MacArthur wouldn't be thrilled with the idea of the Chinese army pouring into North Korea. It didn't go well for him the last time that happened.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Sebadoh Gigante posted:

I don't even know where to start.



i get that one level of the joke is that henry ford was a giant authoritarian who would send his goons around to worker's houses to inspect their private residences to make sure they didn't have any alcohol, what are the others

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

boner confessor posted:

i get that one level of the joke is that henry ford was a giant authoritarian who would send his goons around to worker's houses to inspect their private residences to make sure they didn't have any alcohol, what are the others
At least one other level is this:

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin


I have seen people use this to argue that Trump won the debate.

Joshmo
Aug 22, 2007
I don't understand this at all and can't figure out why anyone would care, but who gives a poo poo who "wins" a debate? What exactly does it prove? This isn't a football game, nor are the debates even debates, and it seems like a pretty nonsensical way to determine anyone's effectiveness at anything, let alone gauging their ability to hold office. "They won a debate, according to me and a bunch of dumb mouth breathers, therefore, <person> should be President."

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Joshmo posted:

I don't understand this at all and can't figure out why anyone would care, but who gives a poo poo who "wins" a debate? What exactly does it prove? This isn't a football game, nor are the debates even debates, and it seems like a pretty nonsensical way to determine anyone's effectiveness at anything, let alone gauging their ability to hold office. "They won a debate, according to me and a bunch of dumb mouth breathers, therefore, <person> should be President."

it'll be funny as hell when these same people come up with elaborate theories as to why trump lost the popular vote

PoizenJam
Dec 2, 2006

Damn!!!
It's PoizenJam!!!
Trump won in all the online polls where 4channers could vote multiple times.

Ironic to see Republicans, who so often rant and rave about voter fraud, whole heartedly endorsing these results.

Vargatron
Apr 19, 2008

MRAZZLE DAZZLE


Sebadoh Gigante posted:

I don't even know where to start.



Noted anti-Semite and strongarm thug of a strikebreaker. Championed by such luminaries as Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party.

pacerhimself
Dec 30, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
'Letting' the government take care of them.

Keeshhound
Jan 14, 2010

Mad Duck Swagger

Guavanaut posted:

At least one other level is this:


I know that the focus of that picture is that Ford was a Nazi-loving douche, but who the gently caress is that dude on the left? He must be at least 6'5" and compared to everyone else...

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Keeshhound posted:

I know that the focus of that picture is that Ford was a Nazi-loving douche, but who the gently caress is that dude on the left? He must be at least 6'5" and compared to everyone else...

just some guard, it was common to pick the tallest, fittest dudes for honor guard/bodyguard duty

Knight
Dec 23, 2000

SPACE-A-HOLIC
Taco Defender

Dr. Arbitrary posted:



I have seen people use this to argue that Trump won the debate.
"You're right, you won. Don't change a thing next debate, just do the same thing and you'll win again!"

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin

boner confessor posted:

just some guard, it was common to pick the tallest, fittest dudes for honor guard/bodyguard duty

It still is. When I went through basic training, they picked out a few people for honor guard. I don't know the exact criteria they used, but I think I remember them all being pretty big guys.

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

It still is. When I went through basic training, they picked out a few people for honor guard. I don't know the exact criteria they used, but I think I remember them all being pretty big guys.

They do this at the DMZ as well, the pictures are always giant south korean and american guards and tiny north korean ones.

Rick_Hunter
Jan 5, 2004

My guys are still fighting the hard fight!
(weapons, shields and drones are still online!)

WoodrowSkillson posted:

They do this at the DMZ as well, the pictures are always giant south korean and american guards and tiny north korean ones.



S. Korean guy looks like Hard Gay.

BernieLomax
May 29, 2002

Dr. Arbitrary posted:



I have seen people use this to argue that Trump won the debate.

Where is that image from 4chan where they ask people to vote on these exact polls? It was linked in the trump thread...

Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

Ron Jeremy posted:

Gen. MacArthur wouldn't be thrilled with the idea of the Chinese army pouring into North Korea. It didn't go well for him the last time that happened.

Nah, he loved it! And he would have won if that pussy Truman hadn't stopped him from nuking the crap out of Mao's boys!

Rick_Hunter
Jan 5, 2004

My guys are still fighting the hard fight!
(weapons, shields and drones are still online!)

BernieLomax posted:

Where is that image from 4chan where they ask people to vote on these exact polls? It was linked in the trump thread...

http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/trump-clinton-debate-online-polls-4chan-the-donald/?tw=dd

DeathSandwich
Apr 24, 2008

I fucking hate puzzles.

Instant Sunrise posted:

Ford brought HW in as CIA director because the CIA was basically just doing whatever they wanted and a lot of it was really unethical, leading to a bunch of scandals. For his part, he cleaned up the CIA's act quite a bit in his short tenure.

:beck: Wait, didn't HW become CIA director in due part because of his successful assassination of JFK and the advancement of Saudi interests?

I'm just asking questions, maaaaan. :beck:

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
I think the first debate sealed my mom to Hillary. Now, she still hates her and "will never trust her" and wants to see all the tax poo poo about her own foundation. But what killed her with Trump? The dude not paying contractors who did his hotel/casinos. Bragging about not paying taxes was a close second. But see, she works with home contractors, so to hear some rich man shorted out a bunch of them made her loving seethe in her chair.

Then again she still hates Obama just because. Because he ruined the country somehow.

But she does like Trump's slogan because who doesn't want America great again? Right? Right.

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

It's election time and the "socially liberal fiscally conservative" people are crawling out of the woodwork. Are they a real thing or are they still just chin-stroking south park republicans?

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Ron Jeremy posted:

HW pardoned the gently caress out of the whole Reagan Iran contra crew and he ran the first gulf war with dick Cheney. gently caress hw forever.

The first Gulf War wasn't garbage (other than the part where competent diplomacy might have kept Saddam out of Kuwait) and was prosecuted competently. It's no Kosovo intervention, but it's pretty inoffensive as American military operations go.

Da Mott Man
Aug 3, 2012


I would honestly take Bush 41 or even Bush 43 over Trump. We all made fun of W. and he was kind of a disaster as a President, but I never doubted that he actually loved his country and ALL of its citizens. What I'm trying to say here is I think Trump is wakadoodle and a legitimate threat to the United States.

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION



Toilet Rascal

Arglebargle III posted:

It's election time and the "socially liberal fiscally conservative" people are crawling out of the woodwork. Are they a real thing or are they still just chin-stroking south park republicans?

It's a loud vocal minority. I get so much Gary Johnson crap on my wall, basically to the tone of "let him debate!"

In a way, I want him to debate. So the world can recoil in horror as he talks about his support for a 23% sales tax, for-profit prisons, lack of mandatory vaccinations, that we shouldn't do anything about global warming because the sun will engulf us in a billion years, and that he has no idea what an Aleppo is for.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Arglebargle III posted:

It's election time and the "socially liberal fiscally conservative" people are crawling out of the woodwork. Are they a real thing or are they still just chin-stroking south park republicans?

They're just Young Republicans and Libertarians who want to sound super smug about how much smarter they are than their peers and their parents.

The Alt-Right is in part a manifestation of the same thing but with Neo-Nazism replacing libertarianism.

OldMemes
Sep 5, 2011

I have to go now. My planet needs me.

boner confessor posted:

it'll be funny as hell when these same people come up with elaborate theories as to why trump lost the popular vote

Trump is already doing that himself.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
I honestly wouldn't mind two additional debates. Trump vs Johnson, and Hillary vs Johnson.

But given what we saw at Trump vs Hillary, with Trump repeatedly interrupting Hillary, what do you expect to see with Trump, a former Republican Governor and Hillary at the same time?

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

sweart gliwere posted:

*bans minarets all across Switzerland via voter referendum, right after USA gets its first black president*

Direct democracy sounds like a swell idea until you realise that a large segment of the population would quite happily screw over a minority if it makes them feel better.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Da Mott Man posted:

I would honestly take Bush 41 or even Bush 43 over Trump. We all made fun of W. and he was kind of a disaster as a President, but I never doubted that he actually loved his country and ALL of its citizens. What I'm trying to say here is I think Trump is wakadoodle and a legitimate threat to the United States.

Oh for sure. I hated W and he was terrible in many ways, which only makes it more amazing how much better he seems given the current crop of his party. I hate to give him any due, but can you imagine any of the republicans in the primary saying this:

quote:

The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war.

When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace. And that's made brothers and sisters out of every race -- out of every race.

America counts millions of Muslims amongst our citizens, and Muslims make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country. Muslims are doctors, lawyers, law professors, members of the military, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, moms and dads. And they need to be treated with respect. In our anger and emotion, our fellow Americans must treat each other with respect.


And that was in a speech on September 17, 2011. He would have been eviscerated for that right now.

Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014
My only solace is that three of the comments are calling out the site as the BS that it is: The Most Powerful Anti-Hillary Ad Yet

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

JVNO posted:

Trump won in all the online polls where 4channers could vote multiple times.

Ironic to see Republicans, who so often rant and rave about voter fraud, whole heartedly endorsing these results.

It's only voter fraud if their guy loses. :eng101:

Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

Chimera-gui posted:

My only solace is that three of the comments are calling out the site as the BS that it is: The Most Powerful Anti-Hillary Ad Yet

Did you see the comment from one guy who couldn't get the video to play and concluded it was because "Soros invaded the Internet?"

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Sebadoh Gigante posted:

I don't even know where to start.



dude tw that poo poo holy gently caress. I just loving :allbuttons:

Arglebargle III
Feb 21, 2006

Paul Krugman posted:



I’ve been writing about Donald Trump’s claim that Mexico’s value-added tax is an unfair trade policy, which is just really bad economics. Here’s Joel Slemrod explaining that a VAT has the same effects as a sales tax. Now, nobody thinks that sales taxes are an unfair trade practice. New York has fairly high sales taxes; Delaware has no such tax. Does anyone think that this gives New York an unfair advantage in interstate competition?

But it turns out that Trump wasn’t saying ignorant things off the top of his head: he was saying ignorant things fed to him by his incompetent economic advisers. Here’s the campaign white paper on economics. The VAT discussion is on pages 12-13 — and it’s utterly uninformed.

And it’s not the worst thing: there’s lots of terrible stuff in the white paper, at every level.

Should we be reassured that Trump wasn’t actually winging it here, just taking really bad advice? Not at all. This says that if he somehow becomes president, and decides to take the job seriously, it won’t help — because his judgment in advisers, his notion of who constitutes an expert, is as bad as his judgment on the fly.

:wow:

Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Sep 29, 2016

Instant Sunrise
Apr 12, 2007


The manger babies don't have feelings. You said it yourself.

GreyjoyBastard posted:

The first Gulf War wasn't garbage (other than the part where competent diplomacy might have kept Saddam out of Kuwait) and was prosecuted competently. It's no Kosovo intervention, but it's pretty inoffensive as American military operations go.

"We have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait."

Pomplamoose
Jun 28, 2008

Arglebargle III posted:

It's election time and the "socially liberal fiscally conservative" people are crawling out of the woodwork. Are they a real thing or are they still just chin-stroking south park republicans?

These people annoy me more than anyone right now. At least Trumpists are widely recognized for being idiots, but everyone gives these guys a pass while they sit there and smirk because they think they're above politics.

Lightning Knight posted:

They're just Young Republicans and Libertarians who want to sound super smug about how much smarter they are than their peers and their parents.

The Alt-Right is in part a manifestation of the same thing but with Neo-Nazism replacing libertarianism.

The Awl's article on the alt-right put it better than I ever could.

quote:

Neoreaction — aka NRx or the Dark Enlightenment — combines all of the awful things you always suspected about libertarianism with odds and ends from PUA culture, Victorian Social Darwinism, and an only semi-ironic attachment to absolutism. Insofar as neoreactionaries have a political project, it’s to dissolve the United States into competing authoritarian seasteads on the model of Singapore; they’re nebbish Nazis with Bitcoin wallets, and they’re practically begging to be shoved in a locker.

https://theawl.com/the-darkness-before-the-right-84e97225ac19#.gi584kkbo

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Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014

Jurgan posted:

Did you see the comment from one guy who couldn't get the video to play and concluded it was because "Soros invaded the Internet?"

Those are Facebook comments and we already know that people on Facebook are complete dumbasses, I was talking about the Disuiq comments.

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