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Rise From The Ashes was way too long but hot drat if it isn't a magnificent case overall
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1-5 is IMO the best non-investigations case in the series, though I'm only at the start of 6-3
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I know I'm late to the party, but I just finished AA6 and I'd like to share some thoughts on the game. I'm sure everyone's raked every case over the coals, so I want to talk about something a little different: the breakdown animations. One of the real hallmarks of the series is that, when you find the real criminal and you get him or her to confess, they go through a hectic, fast-paced panic as they desperately try to assert their innocence. AA6's animations were really lacking, and sometimes I'd even feel bored halfway through them. When I think "Ace Attorney breakdown animations," I think of Kristoph becoming Literally Satan, or Matt Enguarde clawing his own face off, or the exorcism of Dahlia Hawthorne, or Marlon Rimes capsizing. In AA6, we have Geiru snapping her suspenders and Ga'ran doing a weird dance. AA6 started using their 3D models for a lot more active animations, such as draining the Founder's Orb and the video recordings of Trucy and Bonny. But the problem with taking this art direction is that, they're kind of locking themselves into this "realistic" (relatively, anyway) animation form, which doesn't allow for the more intense breakdowns the series is known for. The sprites in AA 1 through 4 didn't have that obstacle and they were forced into conveying as much emotion in as short amount of time as possible because of hardware limitations (harddrive space and resolution, in particular) The fact that they switched to models wasn't even a problem in AA5; L'Belle's and Aristotle Means' breakdowns are good examples of having the best of both worlds, and Marlon Rimes had one of the most creative ones ever. The new art direction gave us Tah'rust and Bah'leeb's breakdown, which was beautiful and heart-rending, but it also forced Geiru's and Paul's, which were tame at best and confusing at worst. With a character design and a personality like Ga'rans, I had expected her to burst into flames or something, not... what we got. Honestly, it's a necessary evil. If I had to chose between the short cutscenes sprinkled throughout the game and the classic breakdowns, I'd choose the cutscenes. But after five games, eight if you count Investigations 1 and 2 and Professor Layton, seeing the criminal do something wacky-zany when they know they've lost has become something of a staple of the series, and I can't help but feel a little letdown when the case doesn't end with someone bashing their head against the wall for all eternity. Man, that was four paragraphs about something that basically doesn't matter! The game's great, would recommend. e: also, would anyone happen to know the name of the song that plays in case 5 when Apollo realizes that Dhurke's been dead the whole time? Maple Leaf fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Sep 29, 2016 |
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Sep 29, 2016 21:23
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Maple Leaf posted:I know I'm late to the party, but I just finished AA6 and I'd like to share some thoughts on the game. I'm sure everyone's raked every case over the coals, so I want to talk about something a little different: the breakdown animations. I know it hardly makes up for the rest of them if you thought they were all lacking, but you didn't mention (Case 2) Retinz's breakdown, which I thought was amazing.
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Sep 29, 2016 21:43
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This Butler guy looks like Sephiroth and Aerith had a kid.
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Sep 29, 2016 21:46
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Maple Leaf posted:I know I'm late to the party, but I just finished AA6 and I'd like to share some thoughts on the game. I'm sure everyone's raked every case over the coals, so I want to talk about something a little different: the breakdown animations. This is an art and animation problem, yes. I personally feel like they just didn't do a particularly good job with most of the breakdowns thus game, since last game they were perfectly fine, and Retinz's is still good despite being mocapped. They're just kinda duds this time around, sadly, but the rest of the game more than makes up for it.
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Sep 29, 2016 21:50
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Maple Leaf posted:breakdowns Oh yeah, and this is the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L29-dbnY7k
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Sep 29, 2016 21:56
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I really liked the breakdown at the end of 1-3 for precisely your complaints
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Sep 29, 2016 22:04
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:What was Edgeworth's reason for choosing death before Rise from the Ashes was made, anyway? He spent most of his life going against his father's legacy at the hands of the man who turned out to have orchestrated the whole thing and was just using Miles as a pawn in a supremely hosed revenge scheme. Then he gets betrayed by said evil mentor and gets a taste of von Karma justice. Then he realizes that he's doled out the exact same thing to possibly hundreds of innocent people. That messes up a boy way badder than anything that happened to him in 1-5. Maple Leaf posted:e: also, would anyone happen to know the name of the song that plays in case 5 when Apollo realizes that Dhurke's been dead the whole time? A Cornered Heart smenj posted:I know it hardly makes up for the rest of them if you thought they were all lacking, but you didn't mention (Case 2) Retinz's breakdown, which I thought was amazing. Well, everything about Retinz is amazing so that almost goes without saying. E: 1-3 is also a solid breakdown.
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Sep 29, 2016 22:06
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I beat the DLC case. It's not among my favorites in the series (or even this game which had some really awesome ones) and it certainly doesn't hold a candle to AA5's DLC but it was still pretty good. My main complaints with it was that the villain wasn't very interesting and there was no big moment of realization, just a kind of methodical working through the case. It still felt satisfying in the end but it wasn't as thrilling as the best cases are. That said, the characters aside from Pierce were awesome. I loved Ellen and Sorin. Ellen's animations were fantastic, and Sorin's goddamn badass. I'm glad they got such a happy ending, and the final animation to close it out was very funny. Always glad for more Ace Attorney and now it's time to be sad for a few years as we wait for more. 
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Sep 29, 2016 22:13
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Amppelix posted:Oh yeah, and this is the song: Kajeesus posted:A Cornered Heart No, this isn't what I was thinking of. Thanks to AA's new "skip to chapter" feature when replaying a case, I just went back to the point and ripped it myself. It's not much of a song, it's only got 8 measures total so I can see why it might be a bit tougher to find. This is the song I was thinking of. There are no spoilers in the music or in the song title, but, you know, exercise caution and all that.
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Sep 29, 2016 22:31
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Lurdiak posted:Yeah. A friend of mine argued that Rise from the Ashes actually made his departure lamer, because finding out the institution you work for is hosed up and corrupt isn't really as big a deal as finding out your entire life has been wrong. Him going "Well thanks for helping me, now I'm going to go kill myself" has a lot less bite when he doesn't go do it and instead sticks around just to say the same thing to Phoenix again in case 5. Like, Edgeworth had already come to this conclusion, he didn't really need more proof.
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Sep 29, 2016 22:39
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Maple Leaf posted:post about breakdowns Yeah, but what about (6-5 first half spoilers) Paul Atishon? He finally lived his dream, but only for a moment!
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Sep 29, 2016 23:34
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(6-5 Part 1) Paul Atishon has one of the best breakdowns in the whole series, probably the best as far as I'm concerned
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Sep 29, 2016 23:41
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The best breakdown in the series is the finale of Justice For All, because it's not only incredibly satisfying and funny (especially if you choose not guilty), it also makes you go "Ohhhhh that's how he got that!"
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Sep 29, 2016 23:44
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Social Studies 3rd Period posted:Yeah, but what about (6-5 first half spoilers) Paul Atishon? He finally lived his dream, but only for a moment! He mentions that in his post.
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Sep 29, 2016 23:45
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Electric Phantasm posted:He mentions that in his post. Whoops! 
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Sep 29, 2016 23:58
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6-6 trial day 1 LARRY I HATE YOU SO MUCH
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Sep 30, 2016 00:09
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all remixes of apollo's theme are great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35ABpHTarEU
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Sep 30, 2016 00:23
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Larry's big problem is the walkback. In the first game, while he is a big dumb loser, he doesn't really cause that much trouble and ends up helping you save Edgeworth. In his next appearance he's way more annoying and constantly gets in your way, actively fighting against your attempts to solve cases and loving up like it's his life's goal. But it feels like by the end of AA3, he really has learned from what's happened and been inspired by 'Elise' into rethinking his life somewhat. He's finally ready to grow up. But then when he shows up again in AAI and AAI-2, he's as bad as ever. What was once lovable quirks have just devolved into being obnoxious irredeemable flaws, and all his character progression just goes down the drain. And it's the same in 6-6. The new team seems to be in love with the version of Larry from the early parts of AA3, rather than the one he was by the end of it, or even the more benign one from AA1. And that's just such a caricature of a person that it's really hard to like him. It's a bit like how Gumshoe is so stupid in Ace Attorney Investigations that he's downright useless.
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Sep 30, 2016 00:52
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Larry had one game of being alright and then in every other appearance he's been bad. And he just keeps showing up. I don't know why they keep bringing him back.
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Sep 30, 2016 01:05
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When something smells....
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Sep 30, 2016 01:08
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Maybe we should be nicer to Larry Butz
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Sep 30, 2016 01:13
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Larry owns and if you hate Larry you're bad
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Sep 30, 2016 01:23
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I like Larry
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Sep 30, 2016 01:35
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I like Larry because of Edgeworth's reaction whenever it turns out he's involved in a case.
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Sep 30, 2016 01:36
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Pity Lawrence Butz.
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Sep 30, 2016 01:50
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Edgeworth calling Larry a living contradiction is the most accurate statement ever made in these games
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Sep 30, 2016 02:00
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Larry is actually quite successful outside of what you see in the games as an artist, it's just his personality hasn't changed a bit.
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Sep 30, 2016 02:01
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I've caught like a dozen paper airplanes. What am I supposed to be showing this idiot, I swear I've gone through everything and Phoenix is saying I haven't.
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Sep 30, 2016 02:08
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Lateish DLC: I am stuck at the part where you get the guy to issue three statements
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Sep 30, 2016 02:44
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Question about the very end of case 5: Why make Rayfah the new queen and not just reinstate Amara, a former queen who seems much more qualified, especially since they said she would recover from her wound???
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Sep 30, 2016 03:04
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Centzon Totochtin posted:Question about the very end of case 5: Because Rayfa is way cooler.
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Sep 30, 2016 03:05
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Centzon Totochtin posted:Question about the very end of case 5: She didn't wanna.
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Sep 30, 2016 03:23
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Here's a neat thing. Objectionable! is a font pack that allows you to emulate speech bubbles with some Photoshop skills!
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Sep 30, 2016 03:58
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Pastrymancy posted:Lateish DLC: I am stuck at the part where you get the guy to issue three statements A hint: If you haven't already realized it, you can have all 3 options' testimony added. Bigger hint: What do you think is most important to figure out at this point? First two options point to motive. The last to his alibi. Biggest hint: You want to present the reception picture with the fog on the 3rd added testimony.
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Sep 30, 2016 04:09
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DLC I wonder if Phoenix really could care less that Ema prefers Edgeworth or if it's a typo... e: oh apparently Maya follows it up. Still a bit obtuse wording overall
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Sep 30, 2016 08:54
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I'm beginning to feel like I didn't appreciate the DLC case in Dual Destinies enough I mean Phoenix referenced Sharknado of all things. Halfway through the DLC case for this game and it's okay. Just OK.
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Sep 30, 2016 09:09
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DLC "Detective Gumshoe! Can't forget him." Hasn't been in two games. gently caress yaself Capcom. Bring back Gumshoe!!!
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Waffleman_ posted:Yeah, and there's also the question of "How many innocent people did I send to death with my ruthlessness?" Well a certain (case 5 spoiler) sad monk did the exact same thing and now he apparently gets to be regent of a country without being held accountable for any of the poo poo he did. Certainly it appears to pay off to be a tremendous rear end in a top hat.
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