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Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Hexigrammus posted:

I like Elon Musk's idea for a one-way Mars colonization ship. Maybe we could persuade these one percenters to pay for their own tickets and impress the hell out of us with their superior ingenuity and work ethic from a safe distance.

Ontario teachers gotta get them returns.

https://www.otpp.com/investments/performance/major-investments

Nestle is just doing what's best for the shareholders which is us, not one percenters.

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PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Do defendants always have a choice whether to be tried based on the verdict of a jury or just the judge?

Somebody fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Sep 9, 2022

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Maybe various unions who like to talk a good progressive talk shouldn't have their pensions tied up in literally full blown slavery investments.
Then again isn't even suggesting to disinvest in things for ethical reasons a hate crime in Canada?

Doopliss
Nov 3, 2012

PittTheElder posted:

Do defendants always have a choice whether to be tried based on the verdict of a jury or just the judge?
Depends on the offence - for relatively-mild summary conviction offences (maximum penalty $5000 fine, six months in jail or both) it's always done by judge only, and the Crown can also compel a jury trial if it's punishable by more than five years (not sure how often it actually happens), but other than that the accused gets to choose.

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Sep 9, 2022

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

Baronjutter posted:

Maybe various unions who like to talk a good progressive talk shouldn't have their pensions tied up in literally full blown slavery investments.
Then again isn't even suggesting to disinvest in things for ethical reasons a hate crime in Canada?

the unions don't manage the pensions, the employer does

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

RBC posted:

the unions don't manage the pensions, the employer does

teachers is a jointly-sponsored pension plan that has representatives from both employer and employee on the board managed by a non-profit pension company

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

Dreylad posted:

teachers is a jointly-sponsored pension plan that has representatives from both employer and employee on the board managed by a not-for-profit pension company

nope

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

oh ok let me try again

quote:

The pension plan is jointly sponsored by the Ontario government, through the Minister of Education, and the executive of the Ontario Teachers' Federation (OTF). The OTF represents teachers, while the government represents employers.

OTF and the government are equally responsible for ensuring the pension plan has enough money to meet its long-term pension obligations. In addition, they appoint experienced, professional experts to the pension plan's Board.

Doopliss
Nov 3, 2012
Criminal Code s. 568 (technically it's the Attorney General doing the compelling). The annotated Code suggests that it "may" be vulnerable to Charter challenges, so I'm guessing without researching it doesn't see much use. The prison sentence requirement is also kind of bizarrely drafted, phrased as "can't do it if the offence is punishable with imprisonment for five years or less".

Somebody fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Sep 9, 2022

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

Dreylad posted:

oh ok let me try again

The OTF is not a union

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

RBC posted:

The OTF is not a union

I didn't say union :confused:

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

Dreylad posted:

I didn't say union :confused:

yes you are confused

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

RBC posted:

yes you are confused

So the OTF controls 50% of the teacher's pension plan. The teachers unions are affiliates of the OTF.

The board and executive of OTF are completely composed of union executives, http://www.otffeo.on.ca/en/about-otf/board-of-governors/

why are you arguing that this is true?

quote:

the unions don't manage the pensions, the employer does

It's not. The unions manage half the teacher's pension exactly like dreylad said.

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

Postess with the Mostest posted:

So the OTF controls 50% of the teacher's pension plan. The teachers unions are affiliates of the OTF.

The board and executive of OTF are completely composed of union executives, http://www.otffeo.on.ca/en/about-otf/board-of-governors/

why are you arguing that this is true?


It's not. The unions manage half the teacher's pension exactly like dreylad said.

The OTF most certainly does not control 50% of the teachers pension plan.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

RBC posted:

The OTF most certainly does not control 50% of the teachers pension plan.

They seem to think they do?

quote:

What is special about the Ontario Teachers’ Pension Plan (OTPP)?

The OTPP is an equal partnership between the Ontario Teachers’ Federation (OTF) and the Government of Ontario. Before 1989, the Teachers’ Superannuation Fund was entirely under the control of the Ontario Government. In 1989, the OTPP was created and, in 1991, a partnership was formed between OTF and the Government.

The terms of the partnership provide for joint governance of the OTPP:

- each Partner appoints five people to serve on the Board of Directors of the Ontario Teachers’ Pension Plan Board (OTPPB);
- the Partners together appoint an eleventh person to be the chairperson of the OTPPB;
- each Partner appoints three people to serve on a Partners’ Committee;
- the Partners jointly determine benefit levels, contribution rates and the frequency of filing funding valuations for the OTPP;
- the Government represents the employers in the partnership; and
OTF represents the members of the OTPP.

http://www.otffeo.on.ca/en/pensions/faqs/#question4

Legit Businessman
Sep 2, 2007


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Legit Businessman fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Sep 9, 2022

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888
lol you think appointing board members constitutes control?

Doopliss
Nov 3, 2012
No problem! Glad my irrelevant law student knowledge could entertain.

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

RBC posted:

lol you think appointing board members constitutes control?

Yes? But more to the argument, the OTF and the government have the exact same forms of control, there's no argument that the employer controls the teachers' pension.

upgunned shitpost
Jan 21, 2015

Dreylad posted:

what's the quotation

'Each of us is carving a stone, erecting a column or cutting a piece of stained glass in construction of something much bigger than ourselves.'

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Yes? But more to the argument, the OTF and the government have the exact same forms of control, there's no argument that the employer controls the teachers' pension.

Except the entire arrangment only exists at the whim of the employer.

tagesschau
Sep 1, 2006

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
THE SPEECH SUPPRESSOR


Remember: it's "antisemitic" to protest genocide as long as the targets are brown.

RBC posted:

Except the entire arrangment only exists at the whim of the employer.

there's this thing called "collective bargaining" that perhaps you have heard of

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

RBC posted:

lol you think appointing board members constitutes control?

What constitutes control if not control of the board?

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trudeau-selfie-terror-suspect-1.3784041

quote:

The man in the selfie, in his mid-20s, is believed to be on a U.S. no-fly list. His home was raided by police as part of a terror investigation a few months before Dec. 18, 2015, when the selfie was taken. The man was part of a crowd of people who took turns posing with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau following a Radio-Canada interview in Montreal.


lol

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


just lol if you aren't on the no fly list these days

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

quote:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/petronas-lng-project-1.3785389?cmp=rss

Petronas weighs sale to exit $27B Canada LNG project: sources

Company weighing its options, citing difficult market conditions, collapse of crude oil

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Please be comments on, please be comments on....

Ceciltron
Jan 11, 2007

Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!
Pillbug

He finally loved Big Brother.

Square Peg
Nov 11, 2008


Sounds like a bargaining tactic to get even more free stuff from the BCLibs. They'll probably get it, too!

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

Oh boy Alberta Catholic Clergy told to deny last rites to people who choose assisted death.

https://twitter.com/eligdeon/status/781633627830489088

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
https://twitter.com/scoopercooper/status/781850464568520708

lol

Ceciltron
Jan 11, 2007

Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!
Pillbug

Suicide has always been a mortal sin. The church's stance has always been that, outside of cases of suicide from mental ilness, you can't give people a Catholic burial to those who die in the state of mortal sin, iirc.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Ceciltron posted:

Suicide has always been a mortal sin. The church's stance has always been that, outside of cases of suicide from mental illness, you can't give people a Catholic burial to those who die in the state of mortal sin, iirc.

Yeah, you best not try to escape unending physical and mental agony because then you'll go to Hell!

Ceciltron
Jan 11, 2007

Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!
Pillbug

Lobok posted:

Yeah, you best not try to escape unending physical and mental agony because then you'll go to Hell!
I know you think you are being clever, but that is literally the argument. Anything on Earth is better than Hell. Historically, it's been a pretty good deterrent.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

"Religious person reminds people of the tenets of their faith".

Ho hum.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Ceciltron posted:

I know you think you are being clever, but that is literally the argument. Anything on Earth is better than Hell. Historically, it's been a pretty good deterrent.

Trying to be spiteful more like it. It's a rule that exists because if you're really trying to convince people of the existence of Heaven and Hell then you have to make sure that people don't just kill themselves to skip ahead to the eternal paradise part.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-economy-gdp-july-1.3785509

THE OILSANDS IS CARRYING THE ECONOMY, MORE PIPELINES NOW

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

Lobok posted:

Yeah, you best not try to escape unending physical and mental agony because then you'll go to Hell!

Just remember that out beloved Mother Teresa thought that suffering before death was the epitome of the life God wanted you to endure.

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Health Services
Feb 27, 2009
https://twitter.com/gregobr/status/781890831770906624
https://twitter.com/mathewi/status/781891813045141504

Also, the CBC is an 'uber-predator' and the "biggest single obstacle to there being a vibrant and innovative marketplace of ideas in the media space", according to the publisher of iPolitics.

What? No, competing on quality would never work.

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