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ShineDog posted:The petulant little fucker is a creepy emotionally abusive rear end in a top hat to pad me from the word go in ep2 onwards. She kind of bloops into love with him out of nowhere despite never having a shred of chemistry together and actively appearing creeper out by him at a number of points. The thing your missing is that Padme is kind of hosed up, herself. She falls for Anakin because she views him as a problem she can fix. Just like she thinks she can resolve the issues between the Republic and the Separatists by merely advocating pacifism loud enough, and how she now earlier thought she could help the poor of Tatooine by being kind to them, she thinks she can make Anakin a better and stronger person if she just loves him enough. The more emotionally damaged the poor little slave boy Anakin becomes the more it tugs at her heartstrings.
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Schwarzwald posted:The thing your missing is that Padme is kind of hosed up, herself. Any doubt that Padme is hosed up is eliminated when you see her response to Anakin's confession about the sand people. He's just told her he committed mass murder, even of women and children, and he's not the least bit sorry for it. Does she slowly back away from him? Tell him he needs help when they get back to Coruscant? No, she comes closer to ripping her panties off than either of those two options.
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Sep 29, 2016 21:13
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Schwarzwald posted:In Return of the Jedi (which is part of the original trilogy) Luke actively disobey's Yoda wishes, and through this disobedience, defeats the Empire. What were his wishes in RotJ? Dude was dying. "Luke, in a blanket, cover me" "No" *defeats the Empire*
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:Any doubt that Padme is hosed up is eliminated when you see her response to Anakin's confession about the sand people. He's just told her he committed mass murder, even of women and children, and he's not the least bit sorry for it. Does she slowly back away from him? Tell him he needs help when they get back to Coruscant? No, she comes closer to ripping her panties off than either of those two options. What's amazing is that in real life, this kind of response is actually pretty typical. She has sympathy for Anakin because she knows him and he's hurting, whereas all she knows of the Sand People is that they're a pack of feral killers. As long as the victims can be dehumanized enough, there's no problem. Padmé is an uncommonly kind person, but she's limited by the same cognitive biases that none of us like to admit we have.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:Any doubt that Padme is hosed up is eliminated when you see her response to Anakin's confession about the sand people. He's just told her he committed mass murder, even of women and children, and he's not the least bit sorry for it. Does she slowly back away from him? Tell him he needs help when they get back to Coruscant? No, she comes closer to ripping her panties off than either of those two options. Reminder: To someone who has been to Tatooine for a grand total of about 48 hours and has heard nothing but horror stories of "Tusken Raiders shooting at podracers" and "Sand People stole my wife and killed a bunch of other people", hearing that someone wiped out an encampment of them probably didn't carry the same weight as "I murdered a couple dozen sentient and sapient humanoids" really should.
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jivjov posted:Reminder: To someone who has been to Tatooine for a grand total of about 48 hours and has heard nothing but horror stories of "Tusken Raiders shooting at podracers" and "Sand People stole my wife and killed a bunch of other people", hearing that someone wiped out an encampment of them probably didn't carry the same weight as "I murdered a couple dozen sentient and sapient humanoids" really should. Would she not be clued in to that possibility by Anakin crying about it and making a point of saying he killed women and children while simultaneously assuring her he doesn't feel bad?
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Cnut the Great posted:They weren't initially (I mean, using normal channels within the Republic, Obi-Wan can't even find out if Kamino exists or not), but TCW shows that after handing the army over to the Republic they were given a representative in the Senate. It does look like Dick Cheney!
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euphronius posted:Yoda acts completely unlike a Jedi at the end of ROTs. Why would you think exile and contemplation is a Jedi trait after the three prequel movies ? There's an episode of Clone Wars, early on, where Yoda and a few troopers take on a droid army. It's probably the best depiction of Yoda outside of ESB. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-fkESkmvu0 Now, that said, Yoda should be slow-moving and slow-acting, and very thoughtful. Unless he's stealing snacks from a robot, I guess.
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Cnut the Great posted:They weren't initially (I mean, using normal channels within the Republic, Obi-Wan can't even find out if Kamino exists or not), but TCW shows that after handing the army over to the Republic they were given a representative in the Senate. Yo man like Haliburton?
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Electromax posted:I think everyone goes commando in space actually. According to Carrie Fisher, this is G-Level Canon.
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I'm guessing they're some sort of amphibious commando, but "shoretrooper" sounds like they should be in some casual beachwear.
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They're wearing blundstones? What. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blundstone_Footwear
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Well if you don't want them coming back to the Death Star with a cold, you've gotta provide adequate footwear.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Stormtrooper's feet. 
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putting the "fash" back in "fashionable"
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Schwarzwald posted:In Return of the Jedi (which is part of the original trilogy) Luke actively disobey's Yoda wishes, and through this disobedience, defeats the Empire. Yoda is actually a very good role model. He teaches Luke all he needs to know and then lets Luke make the decisions instead of pushing him too hard in one direction or the other. Yoda's a Zen master. He teaches through contradiction. And as has been pointed out many, many times, he never tells Luke he has to kill Vader. For that matter, neither does Obi-Wan. At the very most, Obi-Wan wants Luke to be prepared to kill Vader. The choice not to kill Vader would have been meaningless if Luke had never possessed the capacity to do so in the first place--which is in fact why Luke only experiences the epiphany he needs to triumph over the Emperor after he gives in to his passions and experiences a willingness to kill Vader. Before that point, Luke had been completely unwilling to kill Vader under any circumstances, and it accomplished nothing but giving the Emperor another tool to use against him. That's because Luke wasn't making a principled choice to spare a man who deserved to die--he was still just desperately grasping for the Good Father he'd been aching for his entire life, just as he'd been doing for the past two films to no avail. He succeeds when he stops childishly yearning for an idealized father who never really existed and instead comes into his own as a man.
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Schwarzwald posted:Just like she thinks she can resolve the issues between the Republic and the Separatists by merely advocating pacifism loud enough, and how she now earlier thought she could help the poor of Tatooine by being kind to them, she thinks she can make Anakin a better and stronger person if she just loves him enough. Not really. Thinking that the Republic and the Separatists could solve their issues through negotiation and communication was a good thing. War is all about the breakdown of rationality and giving into base passions. Her giving into her passion, falling in love with Anakin, and pursuing a relationship with him against all reason is an analogue to her becoming entangled in the Clone War and deciding to forsake peaceful negotiations for "aggressive negotiations." This is one of my favorite character shots of the movie, because of how it effectively communicates the shift in Padme's character--her face framed by huge phallic weapons, a lock of her usually-carefully-styled hair knocked loose and hanging down to the side, the devilish look of mischief on her face:  And this next shot too, similar to the previous one, but also showing how totally in sync she and Anakin now are:  Just like the war, her declaring her love to Anakin is something that happens in a desperate moment as a vain attempt to ward off fears about insecurity and death. Her white clothing during the Geonosis arena battle is a harbinger of the white wedding dress she wears at the end of the movie. Both outfits match the white of clone troopers' armor. It's a clear departure from her wardrobe during the rest of the movie, which is all blues and yellows (except for the fireplace scene at the midpoint of the movie during which several references are made to the future Darth Vader, and in which Padme wears a seductive black leather outfit with a choker around her neck).
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Attack of the clones is really the heart of the whole series. It's amazing.
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euphronius posted:Attack of the clones is really the heart of the whole series. It's amazing.  I'm sorry
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It's my favorite SW movie so whatever. It's just so entertaining and interesting and beautiful.
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Phi230 posted:
O noooo not teh rotten tomatoes
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Phi230 posted:
I don't think there is anyone here that is unaware that the movies have a very mixed popular reception.
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Schwarzwald posted:I don't think there is anyone here that is unaware that the movies have a very mixed popular reception. Honestly, if all you did was read about these movies on the internet you'd think they scored like 12%.
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The release of Star Wars ignited a craze in Hollywood for science fantasy films. Imitators like Battle Beyond the Stars, as well as parodies like Spaceballs, riffed on the most evident thematic quality of that film: the uncomplicated and unexamined moral separation between the protagonists and antagonists. That idea became embedded in the public consciousness as the essence of "Star Wars," even while its sequels drifted away from them (a detectable recurring complaint in negative reviews of The Empire Strikes Back). The prequels retain A New Hope's bombast, fantasticism, pop spiritualism, and general sense of derring-do, but to many they're unrecognizable as Star Wars because the driving conflict no longer consists of desperate individualistic underdogs against faceless space nazis. And of them, Attack of the Clones is the least like it, as its twist is that the Republic became the Empire willingly. For that reason it's been the one that Star Wars Fans have tended to like least. This is appropriate, as it's a movie significantly about people being deceived by their preconceptions.
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You're right, how could AOTC ever top the #1 movie on the IMDB Top 250: The Shawshank Redemption, or critically acclaimed Oscar winner Crash (75%)? Do you realize the very thing you just cited says two people liked this movie for every one that hated it? Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Oct 1, 2016 |
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Cnut the Great posted:And as has been pointed out many, many times, he never tells Luke he has to kill Vader. For that matter, neither does Obi-Wan. At the very most, Obi-Wan wants Luke to be prepared to kill Vader. quote:Obi-Wan: You cannot escape your destiny. You must face Darth Vader again. I know I said this before, but how can that not be interpreted as Obi-Wan wanting Luke to kill Vader? He tells him he has to "face" him, but Luke obviously thinks that means kill. He doesn't say, "I can't face my own father," or, "I can't defeat my own father." When Luke adds precision to Obi-Wan's vague "face," Obi-Wan doesn't correct him or give him other options. It's, "If you don't kill him, we're done." From his point of view, there are no other options. Obi-Wan doesn't think Vader can be turned because he thinks that Anakin was "destroyed"; when Luke says there's still good in him, Obi-Wan dodges; "He's more machine now than man. Twisted and evil." If he can't be turned and he doesn't want Luke to kill him, what does he want him to do when he "faces" him?
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George Lucas predicted the current political climate with the prequels.
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ruddiger posted:George Lucas predicted the current political climate with the prequels. Or the current political climate have been that way for that long.
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euphronius posted:It's my favorite SW movie so whatever. It's just so entertaining and interesting and beautiful. It's my favorite too. I really liked it quite a bit when I saw it in the cinema as a teenager but I failed to appreciate a lot of the dry humor. Oddly enough I think reading and growing to love super-dry stuff like Jane Austen actually made me appreciate Lucas's sense of humor a lot more. Mr. Funny Pants posted:
Haha wow that quote seems even more deceptive and manipulative when we consider Obi-Wan's casually racist attitude towards droids from the prequels.
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euphronius posted:Attack of the clones is really the heart of the whole series. It's amazing. That heart needs a bypass. Attack of the Clones was the first time I realized Star Wars can be awful. My dad and I couldn't believe it. It made for a good running joke through out the years. He'd make fun of me for being Anakin when I whined about some dumb kid poo poo.
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CelticPredator posted:That heart needs a bypass. Your dad's awful and mine could beat him up for sure.
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AotC is for sure my favorite movie. I think my favorite part is when Jack uses the tennis racket to strain his spaghetti.
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I think AOTC gets a worse rap than normal because many goons grew up watching it on standard def DVDs and it just looks awful on that.
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euphronius posted:I think AOTC gets a worse rap than normal because many goons grew up watching it on standard def DVDs and it just looks awful on that. AotC is the only Star Wars flick I didn't see in a theater. TPM was so bad I just gave up on Star Wars until RotS, which I figured I should see in a theater, because I figured that'd be the last one. Parts of the film are good (Kenobi vs. Jango), but it's such a slog to get through.
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Rots also looks very good on blue ray hi def. lots of spectacular and gorgeous scenes.
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I was amazed by how much better the Endor speeder bike chase seemed on VHS and DVD than it did in high definition.
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